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WR Ted Ginn, Jr. (Official Thread)

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But once again... it just shows that they are good at running 10 yards fast... which may or may not be indicative of how they perform on the field.
 
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AKAKBUCK said:
But once again... it just shows that they are good at running 10 yards fast... which may or may not be indicative of how they perform on the field.
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True.. But I think they need to use stats like Bench and Squat numbers, and 40-times, to rate players and recruits. I think coaches/recruiters/scouts know that these numbers don't tell the whole story, but they serve as a decent trailer to the movie.

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And your point is?
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I feel like I'm on both sides of this discussion.

Coaches, scouts, etc. use certain stats to rate players. Bench press / squat results, as well as 40-speed, and vertical jump are just a few of I don't know how many categories they use to rate these players.

My point is that players typically run 10 or 15 yards maximum per play. (Receivers, I know, run much more than offensive linemen or quarterbacks.) I was just making the point that measuring players' 10-yard times might be more applicable to the game of football. I know that it's ridiculous to time someone who takes 3-4 steps and then saying he's done, and I certainly don't expect them to ever stop timing the 40-yards in favor of 10-yards. I think this got started on someone wanting to time them in their pads, to better simulate how they might do on the field. I was just taking it 1 or 2 (or 50) steps further.
 
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zurp, you have a point in that 40-times don't mean the same to each position. However, I do think they apply to a select set of positions, especially WR, but also RB, QB, TE, CB, and S...in other words, those positions most likely to break a big play and those who are most likely to chase it down.
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
zurp, you have a point in that 40-times don't mean the same to each position. However, I do think they apply to a select set of positions, especially WR, but also RB, QB, TE, CB, and S...in other words, those positions most likely to break a big play and those who are most likely to chase it down.
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I see your point. And I'm certainly not suggesting that they take away the 40-yard times. They need to be sure to use the same standard to rate all of the players, so that each player can be compared on equal grounds.

How far is the shuttle? Isn't that close to the same as a bunch of 10-yard runs? Maybe my whole point is meaningless if they already have something similar.
 
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Zurp said:
How far is the shuttle? Isn't that close to the same as a bunch of 10-yard runs? Maybe my whole point is meaningless if they already have something similar.
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The shuttle is a set of back-and forth 10-yard runs.
 
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As a followup to the Hester/Parrish times...

I talked to my "U" buddy, and apparently I have my facts mixed up.

"Roscoe Parrish ran a 4.2 indoor, I guaruntee you. I swear to you he ran a 4.2 He was recruited as a track athlete!"

So it wasn't Hester that ran the 4.2, it was Parrish, according to him. I'll try to find it online somewhere.

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""When I hear things like that I'm too small, it just pushes me harder," said the 5-foot-9, 172-pound Parrish, a Miami native. "It's like a motivator to me."

Parrish, who said his best time in the 40-yard dash is in the 4.2- to 4.3-second range..." From http://www.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/stories/010605abi.html
 
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Couple of things.
1. My best 40 time is in the 4.15 to 4.20 range. (I guess this is a fact now to OneShot, because I just self-declared it...just as Parrish did) You saw his 40 times at the combine and his personal workout for scouts.

2. Trying to convert a Maurice Greene 50-meter to a 40 yard time is not realistic. They're apples and bananas. A very important factor that nobody has mentioned is the starting block used in the 50, but not the 40.
 
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Zurp said:
True.. But I think they need to use stats like Bench and Squat numbers, and 40-times, to rate players and recruits. I think coaches/recruiters/scouts know that these numbers don't tell the whole story, but they serve as a decent trailer to the movie.
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Zurp, first off, great discussion.

Your comments about various measurements is dead on...

Shuttle times are becoming more prominent as are power clean numbers...both measure explosion which is what the new generation of coaches like.

The 40 yd dash is the old school measure of explosion...it takes into account reaction/explosion, acceleration, and top speed. The 40 is just the measure of choice for football just as the 60 yd dash is the measure of choice for baseball.
 
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History of the 40-yard dash

The 40-yard dash was created as a tool for measuring the speed of football players. The Dallas Cowboys of the 1960's are credited as the first team to use the test to evaluate the overall speed of players. Emphasizing speed and quickness with athletes like "Bullet" Bob Hayes (1968 Tokyo Olympics gold medallist in the100 meters) the Cowboys became a dominant organization. The Cowboys figured no player would run any further than 40-yards on any given play and thus by default the 40 became the measuring stick of the modern day athlete. Today, most organizations—including the NFL scouting combine—use electronic timing which is powered by lasers. Over time, the 40-yard dash has developed a cult following among coaches, scouts and fans.​





The first ten yards is about one thing: Managed explosion. You must learn to accelerate by generating power in the first 4-5 steps.(vs. having the assistance of a starting block, as in the 50m or 100m) The body should remain fairly compact and the steps should be as straight as possible. The arms should be pumping vigorously, almost to the point of exaggeration. Your body should not be fully erect until on or near the 15-yard marker.​
 
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