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WR Ted Ginn, Jr. (Official Thread)

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BuckeyePride85 said:
I believe 185 and 170 are nice size jump from one another. 15 pounds of muscle may slow Ginn from a 4.22 to something in the 4.3s, but really its not just the speed that makes him great, its his vision, cuts and mentallity that make him superb...Umm, Jerry Rice weighs 200 lbs. - What were u trying to say?
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It's his world-class speed that separates him from everyone else. While he has good vision and very good moves, it's his Warp Factor 9 top-end speed that makes him ultra-dangerous. By the way, Jerry Rice is 6'2", not 6'0" like Ginn, and his weight is 195. Plus, he didn't weight 195 during his glory years...he was more like 185-190. Ginn doesn't have the Jerry Rice route-running ability (yet), so he'll need to rely more on his unreal speed to separate from defenders.
 
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"By the way, Jerry Rice is 6'2", not 6'0" like Ginn, and his weight is 195"

Actually it is 200 lbs., (I dont know how to link pages yet), go to NFL.com and search Jerry Rice and they will show his profile of 6'2" 200 lbs. But really think how lil 2 inches really are, seariously if you spread your fingers apart to two inches it means lil.

As for Ginns main ability is his speed, I beg to differ. Alot of kids can run 4.3/4.4, but its his cuts that get him the TD's. He returns punts for TD's because he can cut. When he is in mid-field he is lined up racing, he is constantly cutting from person with jukes. Its that similiar style that got him his TDs on the field as a WR this year. He was given plentifull small 5-10 yrd. passes which he turned into either TD's just like his cuts on his reverses (ie. The Alamo Bowl). I agree his quickness is jaw-dropping, but without the vision and what-not he will jsut be running straight into a defender. Nowhere except a straight route as a WR on a man-man coverage will you use a 40 yard dash style play. I say all this in no offense, but just what I saw. They are calling him one of the most versatile/dangerous players in the nation because he is more than speed - he has talent. Yes, very few players would be able to walk him down, but to even get into an open field and around all those defenders he has to use his visiona nd cuts to see where his next steps and directions will be.
 
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Sirjo :)
http://www.the-ozone.net/football/2005/springcamp/noginndefense.htm
Ginn Not Likely to See Time at Defense...For Now
By John Porentas Cornerback Dustin Fox is gone, E. J. Underwood is sitting out spring with academic woes, and Brandon Underwood is hurt too and sitting out. So what are the Buckeyes going to do at corner? Some people have speculated that Ted Ginn Jr. might be the answer, but Jim Tressel says that right now, there is no plan to use Ginn on defense the way the Buckeyes used Chris Gamble in 2002 and 2003.

"There was an evolution to how Chris did that. Chris started by playing a little bit down on the goal line when we had some injuries, then we moved it out to the red zone, then it expanded to being a full-time corner. I do not anticipate that with Ted Ginn, that evolution," said OSU Head Coach Jim Tressel.

"I don't anticipate it, no."

Ginn has expressed some interest in playing defense, but says he is fine with his coach's decision.

"I'm going to do what coach says. Maybe a little later I can ask coach if I can play a little defense, but right now the most important thing is to get back into the swing of things (as a receiver)," said Ginn.

The Buckeyes are looking at a number of options at corner. One of those is safety Tyler Everett, but Everett is sitting out spring ball recovering from an injury. Safety Donte Whitner's name has also been mentioned, but as of the first day of spring drills, Whitner was not working out at safety. He did indicate, however, that it is far from out of the realm of possibility.

"I'm playing strong safety. Later on this spring I'm going to move over and play some corner. If something happen, if one of the guys isn't ready for the season, I'll probably be at corner and Tyler will be at safety, or they'll more Tyler to corner and I'll be the safety," said Whitner.

"In high school I played both because they thought I could make more plays at safety. When I first came to Ohio State I was at corner and I was doing well there. I was second on the depth chart behind Gamble, but I made a couple of big hits at practice and Coach Dantonio and Coach Mel Tucker wanted to move me to safety. Coming in I played all three positions (free safety, strong safety, corner)."

Whitner says his cover skills may not be what they once were since he has not practiced at corner for some time, but he is taking steps to remedy that this spring.

"I want to tighten up on my cover skills," said Whitner.

"I want to tighten up on my cover skills so if they call on me to play corner I'll be ready."

Safety Nate Salley says there is another candidate at corner as well, but no matter who wins the job, the Buckeye defensive backfield will be solid.

"We're trying to get Sirjo (Welch) ready to go," said Salley.

"He's a big-time playmaker. With Tyler coming in in the fall trying a little corner, he may be able to get the job done.

"That may be a little question mark.

"I believe that by the first game we'll be ready to go. I know Sirjo, I can trust him on the field anytime, and definitely with Ty there I can trust him. We'll be ready to go."
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There are certain Ginn for D advocates on the board, but don't think that you have just proved the entire board wrong with the idea that Ginn should be used only on offense and special teams. ...Oiler
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Just my personal opinion that most people on this site were not calling for him to play full time both ways as you alluded to. ...Strohs
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I had no intention of saying explicitly or implicitly that the entire board was wrong about Ginn at corner. If I gave that impression, I apologize. What I said, in fact, was that there have been "furious arguments" about the subject -- meaning there were folks who felt passionately on both sides of the issue. I am well aware of Mili and others who have championed the sane position on this subject.

I called attention to JT's public quote merely to tweak the nipples of the hardy band of zealots who seem hellbent on abusing Teddy's God-given talent by doubling his workload and his risk of injury. I had never heard JT speak so directly on the subject before and wanted to make sure the "all-Ginn-all-the-time" cabal heard it too.
 
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BuckeyePride85 said:
"By the way, Jerry Rice is 6'2", not 6'0" like Ginn, and his weight is 195"

Actually it is 200 lbs., (I dont know how to link pages yet), go to NFL.com and search Jerry Rice and they will show his profile of 6'2" 200 lbs. But really think how lil 2 inches really are, seariously if you spread your fingers apart to two inches it means lil.

As for Ginns main ability is his speed, I beg to differ. Alot of kids can run 4.3/4.4, but its his cuts that get him the TD's. He returns punts for TD's because he can cut. When he is in mid-field he is lined up racing, he is constantly cutting from person with jukes.
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Rice's weight on NFL.com is his latest weight. His playing weight when he was in his prime, and not 40 years old, was around 185-190. The general rule of thumb is 4-6 pounds gained per inch of height raised. So, if Ginn were to be expanded proportionately to 6'2", he'd go from 170 to around 180, not much under what Rice was in his prime.

As for your comments on Ginn, are you on crack? Where do you get this "a lot of kids can run 4.3" stuff? If you don't think his main weapon is his speed, just ask the Michigan State DB who got his shoulder pads blown off on Ginn's winning TD reception. That same DB has a listed 40-time of 4.3, so your argument of putting Ginn in "a lot of 4.3 runners" is bogus. As for his punt return TDs, he made no major juke or cut in any of his 4 TD returns:

1. Wisconsin TD. He caught the punt on the left hash mark of the OSU 35, ran toward the middle of the "O", slowed down a bit and made a looping move back towards the middle of the field, split a pack of six Badgers, and then accelerated toward the left pylon. No sharps moves at all. Just good vision and great speed.

2. Penn State TD. Caught the ball about two yard inside the left hash mark at the OSU 33. He ran straight up the hash to the OSU 40 where he veered to his right, ran to the bottom of the "O", veered slightly to the left to avoid a pack, and then veered slightly back to the right and ran directly to the right pylon. Nothing even resembling a cut.

3. Michigan State TD. Caught the ball on one hop on the run at the OSU 39 near the MSU sideline. He ran straight forward until he crossed midfield where he veered slightly to his right (toward midfield) and veered more to the right at the MSU 42 to avoid a tackler and then ran a large soft loop across the field to the right pylon. His second veer move could be termed a "soft" cut at best.

4. The Game TD. Caught at the OSU 18 near the OSU-side hash. He moved a few steps toward the center of the field, and then back toward the OSU hash a few steps where he got bottled up in a crowd of four tacklers and came to a complete stop. He moved back toward the other hash, and then looped around the punter to the scUM sideline just past midfield and ran directly down the sidelines the last 48 yards to the end zone. No running cut or juke...just instincts on getting out of a crowd and then simply using his warp-factor speed to negate the angle the punter had on him. No other player in the country could've made it around the punter with the angle he had on Ginn...it was pure Ted Ginn speed that got the TD.
 
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martinss01 said:
look at it this way. lydell ross WILL make an nfl team ill put money on it. the only thing he has on his resume is "starting tb for tOSU". facts are, as bad as lydell was that alone will get you a look from every single nfl team in the country. they may not take you, but they will let you come workout and show your skills. which is a hell of a lot mroe than most colleges can say. mili may deny tOSU is in the business of churning out nfl talent. in which he is semi correct in saying. but the fact remains, i can't remember a draft in my lifetime that we didn't have atleast 1 guy make the cut. so while that may not be our business, we sure have a knack for it.
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1998 Draft. Not a single Buckeye picked.
 
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Why are people assuming that an extra 10-20 pounds will slow Ginn down? It seems like I am probably in the minority here, but I think that's a terrible assumption. What if he put 10 pounds of muscle in each leg? Look at the guys who run 100m track events. I have no idea how much they weigh, but they're built like a brick shithouse. Those dudes have to weigh more than 170. Either that, or they must be about 5' 3".

How about this scenario: Ginn puts on 20 pounds and drops his forty time to 4.15. How would he be in the NFL if that happened?
 
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