WR Ted Ginn, Jr. (Official Thread)

[OilerBuck]

I think FritoBandito:

1. Has a cool moniker.
2. Was right on in his analysis of Ginn at CB.
3. Is way off base in calling out the board on this issue.

The reason is because I would venture the board is 3/1 in favor of sticking him to offense and AT MOST using him in special situations on D. If you check out the one of the many threads where we had this argument, you will find Mili, I and several others arguing just the points you stated above.

There are certain Ginn for D advocates on the board, but don't think that you have just proved the entire board wrong with the idea that Ginn should be used only on offense and special teams.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

Was anyone on this board calling for him to play both ways full time?

As a matter of fact, there were.

Please list your source when you give a quote like this. I am curious as to whether this came from a free source or not. It could have, but the only places I saw it earlier yesterday were on pay sites, which is why I summarized what JT said in another thread about ginn regarding this exact topic.

The article from which Tressel's quote was taken was posted in an earlier thread. "Search Function".

If Teddy's best position is CB, wouldn't you want to play the position? I mean I realize you do what's best for the team, but what if Teddy is all he's cracked up to be at corner? You would have two lockdown corners, and could bring in an Everett if Teddy wasn't physical enough. If we had two guys that could play man to man, we could put 8 in the box and be a pretty scary defense most of the time.

I guess I feel like we might be screwing Teddy's chances in the NFL at corner by sticking him solely on the offensive side of the ball. From our team's perspective I understand the decision, it just doesn't seem beneficial for him.

BFs, you're a good kid, but how many times do we have to say this: If corner were his best position, he'd be playing there. As for screwing his chances at corner in the NFL, he's not even in the two deep at corner, so how can he be an NFL corner? Besides, contrary to popular belief, Ohio State isn't in the business of producing NFL players...it's in the business of winning football games, and they do that by putting players where they are best suited.

 

[jwinslow]

Aww how sweet, Mili thinks I'm a good kid.

As for the quote, I just wanted to make sure it was not simply from the BN premium article. I realized it was a public quotation, but had not seen this article including that quote.

As for teddy, I'm not proposing he start at corner, I guess I just felt like they might be ignoring his talent at corner simply to save him for offense (which isn't a bad decision necessarily). Maybe he's not as physical as he should be to play corner anyway.

And I agree that the buckeyes aren't out to prepare ginn for the pros.

Let's focus on the other aspect of my question, do you think he can get big enough (without losing his flash) to play WR in the pros?

 

[Oneshot]

If he doesnt get drafted as WR or Corner in the NFL due to his size or whatever, he can be a PR/KR specialist. I think TGII has an awesome chance of being big in the NFL.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

I think he's already big enough...his speed will get him by most corners, and his moves keeps him from getting hit directly. And he bounced right up the two times I saw him take good hits last year (punt returns against Michigan and Oklahoma State).

 

[strohs]

Feeling a little defensive, Strohs? It was nothing personal. There were plenty of people here back in January/February reminding us all what a great corner Ginn was in High School, defensive player of the year, etc. etc. etc. There were dozens of references to Chris Gamble as the prototype -- though perhaps not from you, Stroh's. You will probably get your wish and see Teddy play corner in the redzone or nickel in big games. But JT has made it abundantly clear that Ted Ginn Jr. is an offensive player first and foremost at tOSU. And he isn't going to kill the goose that's laying all these golden eggs by working him to death or tearing up his hammy. Fresh legs, Strohs, fresh legs!

No, I wasnt being defensive.
Just my personal opinion that most people on this site were not calling for him to play full time both ways as you alluded to.

 

[AirForceBuck]

MililaniBuckeye - you said that you think TG2 is big enough already (to play WR at the NFL)? Im hoping that you are sayin hes big enough for college. On the official roster is says Ginn weighs a whoppin 170lbs at 6'0". The best WRs in the NFL this year weighed more than that: Muhammed - 6'2", 217lbs / J. Horn - 6'1", 213lbs. / J.Walker 6'3", 215lbs. / T. Gonzalez 6'5" 251lbs. / T.O. 6'3" 226lbs. , etc. TG would need to add about another 20-30 lbs of muscle at least to put him in the cateorgy with Bruce, Holt, and Reggie Wayne (and this being the "small" category). As for him being a DB in the next level, he would also need to add weight. I can see him being like Gamble in the next level, going pro for Defense while staying aaround 180lbs. Gamble this year ranked 6th in the league with INTs (weighing in at 181lbs. - Nate Clements ranked 3rd weighing 208)...His skinnyness will be more attractive for the D-Side, IMO.

 

[wdg01]

MililaniBuckeye - you said that you think TG2 is big enough already (to play WR at the NFL)? Im hoping that you are sayin hes big enough for college. On the official roster is says Ginn weighs a whoppin 170lbs at 6'0". The best WRs in the NFL this year weighed more than that: Muhammed - 6'2", 217lbs / J. Horn - 6'1", 213lbs. / J.Walker 6'3", 215lbs. / T. Gonzalez 6'5" 251lbs. / T.O. 6'3" 226lbs. , etc. TG would need to add about another 20-30 lbs of muscle at least to put him in the cateorgy with Bruce, Holt, and Reggie Wayne (and this being the "small" category). As for him being a DB in the next level, he would also need to add weight. I can see him being like Gamble in the next level, going pro for Defense while staying aaround 180lbs. Gamble this year ranked 6th in the league with INTs (weighing in at 181lbs. - Nate Clements ranked 3rd weighing 208)...His skinnyness will be more attractive for the D-Side, IMO.

While I do believe that the size in the NFL is important in general..it isn't a necessity. Santana Moss: 5-10 185, Marvin Harrison 6-0 175. So, while I believe that his size isnt optimal for a WR, he can more then make up for it in other areas.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

If he get up past 180 in weight, he could lose some speed and quickness. The fact that many NFL WRs are weight-monkeys means squat. Look how skinny Jerry Rice is, and he's the greatest WR ever.

 

[Zurp]

If he get up past 180 in weight, he could lose some speed and quickness. The fact that many NFL WRs are weight-monkeys means squat. Look how skinny Jerry Rice is, and he's the greatest WR ever.

Good call. Even if Ginn wanted to, he'd never compete for the "biggest WR" in the NFL. And if he tried, he'd lose his speed. At 180 lbs, his best asset is his speed and quickness. He may not start at WR for any NFL team, but he can be an excellent #3 or #4 receiver.

I think JT should put Ginn where he thinks Ginn will help tOSU the most. If that means CB, then he should play CB. If it means WR, then stay at WR. If it means he has to go operate the scoreboard, because the operator fell asleep and is showing the wrong scores, then put Teddy up there to operate the scoreboard. My opinion is that TGII best helps his team at WR.

 

[martinss01]

From our team's perspective I understand the decision, it just doesn't seem beneficial for him.

the next time you fear teddy might be getting the short end of the stick remember. he is playing before a nationwide audience every saturday and gets to put "heisman candidate from tOSU" on his resume. that in and of itself earns him signing bonus money in the nfl.

look at it this way. lydell ross WILL make an nfl team ill put money on it. the only thing he has on his resume is "starting tb for tOSU". facts are, as bad as lydell was that alone will get you a look from every single nfl team in the country. they may not take you, but they will let you come workout and show your skills. which is a hell of a lot mroe than most colleges can say. mili may deny tOSU is in the business of churning out nfl talent. in which he is semi correct in saying. but the fact remains, i can't remember a draft in my lifetime that we didn't have atleast 1 guy make the cut. so while that may not be our business, we sure have a knack for it.

how many guys from our o made it into the nfl in 03? and yet that o was ranked in the bottom 10%-ish in the nation? when was the last time that many guys made it into the nfl on such a horridly rated offense? has that ever happened?

if ginn keeps his nose clean and reproduces what he did for 2 more years he will go in the first round guaranteed. he will get a signing bonus and if he goes down on his first play in the nfl... will have already made more money than i will in my lifetime.

 

[OilerBuck]

I think that Ginn's weight will be less of an issue as a result of the emphasis on the contact rule. Some of the reason for the bigger receivers was to be able to battle more downfield. With the changes in rules, corner size will be deemphasized in exchange for more speed and agility. Ginn could eat apart bigger corners in the open field once you get past the 5 yard limit on contact.

Bottom line...the best players will get taken and will be stars. I think Ginn's strength is his speed and agility. If they think he will lose too much of that by gaining weight, they won't force the issue. He is too valuable as is. You nailed it Mili.

 

[jwinslow]

Thank you for my daily dose of reality everyone. Too bad I only had some old water to wash it down with.

There was never any doubt in my mind that he would make it into the nfl with a nice contract. I just wondered if corner was more of his future. But either way, he's clearly a top draft pick and should have a chance to excel as a slasher at the next level.

 

[AirForceBuck]

"While I do believe that the size in the NFL is important in general..it isn't a necessity. Santana Moss: 5-10 185, Marvin Harrison 6-0 175. So, while I believe that his size isnt optimal for a WR, he can more then make up for it in other areas."

I believe 185 and 170 are nice size jump from one another. 15 pounds of muscle may slow Ginn from a 4.22 to something in the 4.3s, but really its not just the speed that makes him great, its his vision, cuts and mentallity that make him superb. Yes, Harrison may be down to the low 70s now, but when he was drafted in 96 he went in weighing 182 lbs. If he can get at least up to around 185 (thats what Holms is and hes shorter), run a sharpe 4.3/4.4 while proving he has the hands - he could make it as a WR in the next level. But we will have to see what happens starting next year.

"If he get up past 180 in weight, he could lose some speed and quickness. The fact that many NFL WRs are weight-monkeys means squat. Look how skinny Jerry Rice is, and he's the greatest WR ever."

Umm, Jerry Rice weighs 200 lbs. - What were u trying to say?

 

[bucknut11]

Ginn doesn't get by running a 4.4 and he won't do it in the NFL either. He does it by being faster than ANYONE else on the field.