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WR Dane Sanzenbacher (Official Thread)

matcar;1268249; said:
Yes, TP DID have a great day throwing the ball, yet Dane got no touches. My point is simple: suggesting that inserting Pryor into the lineup will provide more touches to Dane probably isn't realistic. Dane will get more touches when we have less receivers of his style on the team. Dane will get more touches when Hartline is gone. (Robo too for that matter). I love the way Dane plays and the kid has amazing heart and hands, but playing time that Dane could see is being eaten up by a Senior. Meanwhile, when we go 3 or 4 wide, it's really becoming apparent that we need a speed merchant out there.

I look for huge things from Dane next year after Hartline is gone.

Yep, but just like Pryor, he gets more reps and gets better. He is the 3rd WR as Tressel pointed out in his post game presser. There's a reason for that, wouldn't you agree? I understand your point and don't disagree, but I like seeing increased potential play action for receivers like Dane, Posey, Washington, Stoney, Flash etc because Pryor's ability to scramble and see the field gives that a better chance. My opinion, my view.

I do agree that Small was missed on the field last week, but maybe that was strategic. Don't show Minny too much and keep some of the WRs in reserve just in case Robo hurts a wing.
 
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utgrad73;1268631; said:
Yep, but just like Pryor, he gets more reps and gets better. He is the 3rd WR as Tressel pointed out in his post game presser. There's a reason for that, wouldn't you agree? I undersatnd your point and don't disagree, but I like seeing increased potential play action for receivers like Dane, Posey, Washington, Stoney, Flash etc because Pryor's ability to scramble and see the field gives that a better chance. My opinion, my view.

I do agree that Small was missed on the field last week, but maybe that was strategic. Don't show Minny too much and keep some of the WRs in reserve just in case Robo hurts a wing.

I agree with pretty much everything about Dane. My feeling is that while Pryor's scrambling will open up the field, he'll still probably be looking to the primary receivers more than others simply because he's so green.

As to Small, I'd like to think you're correct, but I doubt we're hiding anything from Minny. Something else is going on, but no one is saying.
 
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matcar;1268636; said:
I agree with pretty much everything about Dane. My feeling is that while Pryor's scrambling will open up the field, he'll still probably be looking to the primary receivers more than others simply because he's so green.

As to Small, I'd like to think you're correct, but I doubt we're hiding anything from Minny. Something else is going on, but no one is saying.

Something the coach said after the game when asked about Ray Small's absence. Tressel said "he was in there". Coy? Then he said Dane is "where is is supposed to be on the field". Hidden translation, Ray was not? Maybe missing blocks, Maybe wrong routes? But running that reverse and not running kicks backs - something going on. Ray is still not listed on special teams. Can we have some Ray Ray please?
 
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matcar;1268636; said:
I agree with pretty much everything about Dane. My feeling is that while Pryor's scrambling will open up the field, he'll still probably be looking to the primary receivers more than others simply because he's so green.

Ohio State football: Playing more receivers - Ohio State Buckeyes Football & Basketball Blog (OSU) - cleveland.com

Ray Small, Dane Sanzenbacher and Posey are very different receivers who can help the offense in different ways. And with the way Pryor can run, you really need your receivers to block on the edge and to keep plays alive when he scrambles, so they do need to be fresh. Fewer plays off.

This was my point in an earlier post. I think the coaches realize that the potential of other WRs with TP's ability to scramble has opened the game up. TP may be green, I'd rather call it fresh which gives this team new opportunities. I'd love to see anyone of the seven WRs catch a TD pass or contribute toward a TD. Nothing against the Brians, it's just time to try a few new weapons.
 
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utgrad73;1273371; said:
Ohio State football: Playing more receivers - Ohio State Buckeyes Football & Basketball Blog (OSU) - cleveland.com



This was my point in an earlier post. I think the coaches realize that the potential of other WRs with TP's ability to scramble has opened the game up. TP may be green, I'd rather call it fresh which gives this team new opportunities. I'd love to see anyone of the seven WRs catch a TD pass or contribute toward a TD. Nothing against the Brians, it's just time to try a few new weapons.

My point with this is that TP, for all his talent, is still likely to throw to the same receivers that Boeckman did. He's young and will likely rely on the primary receivers. As TP continues his growth, that will change, but I don't expect a lot of touches for Dane until next year. Everyone always thinks the #2 QB is the answer...and in the case of our football team, TP IS the answer...but as for the question of how to get Dane more touches this year...I don't see it.
 
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You can't really predict when players break out. Gonzo made some plays here and then and then suddenly took it up a notch against Michigan by catching the long TD pass on the opening drive. Was a little quiet again the next year then truly started to be a great player after making THE catch vs. Michigan. You really don't know when Sanzo might do the same.
 
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I also can't agree with the thought of Dane breaking out simply because we now play Pryor at QB, any more than he would have otherwise. Dane isn't competing with Todd for PT. We have a stable of WR's this year, and they also changed the clock rules, so less plays are run, per team and per game.. equals less PT for everyone, including the starters. This is one time that I actually agree with Urban Meyer. Dane's better days are not too far away.
 
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Tresselbeliever;1277381; said:
You can't really predict when players break out. Gonzo made some plays here and then and then suddenly took it up a notch against Michigan by catching the long TD pass on the opening drive. Was a little quiet again the next year then truly started to be a great player after making THE catch vs. Michigan. You really don't know when Sanzo might do the same.
No, but you can make reasonable observations based upon current state of affairs. It would appear reasonable that Dane will get a lot more touches next year after Brians are gone and TP has a full year under his belt.
 
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matcar;1277396; said:
No, but you can make reasonable observations based upon current state of affairs. It would appear reasonable that Dane will get a lot more touches next year after Brians are gone and TP has a full year under his belt.

That's true, but he's got a shot at locking down that 3rd WR spot, like Gonzo did when Holmes and Ginn were in front of him. But he's got stiff competition for sure.
 
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schwab;1277395; said:
I also can't agree with the thought of Dane breaking out simply because we now play Pryor at QB, any more than he would have otherwise. Dane isn't competing with Todd for PT. We have a stable of WR's this year, and they also changed the clock rules, so less plays are run, per team and per game.. equals less PT for everyone, including the starters. This is one time that I actually agree with Urban Meyer. Dane's better days are not too far away.

I didn't want to miss a chance to weigh in on this. So here goes one more time. This team has a new QB, one that doesn't necessarily stand in the pocket to pass, one that can run as well as a tailback and who also brings a whole new dimension to this team. He is going to pass the football a lot and find other ways to score unless we revert to some very conservative play. I'm certainly not a coach, but I think we are on the brink of seeing some very good football. Opening up the passing game to more WRs is inevitable. Seeing Pryor mature as our QB will be great, seeing what he will do with the offense will be a weekly event, and being there when one of them breaks out - even better.

This is a work in progress and challenging the WRs is an ongoing process. This week Posey is listed behind Ray as #3 WR. So, it looks like we are going to spread em out and run Wiscy all over the field. Let's hope they all break out in this game.
 
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utgrad73;1277534; said:
I didn't want to miss a chance to weigh in on this. So here goes one more time. This team has a new QB, one that doesn't necessarily stand in the pocket to pass, one that can run as well as a tailback and who also brings a whole new dimension to this team. He is going to pass the football a lot and find other ways to score unless we revert to some very conservative play. I'm certainly not a coach, but I think we are on the brink of seeing some very good football. Opening up the passing game to more WRs is inevitable. Seeing Pryor mature as our QB will be great, seeing what he will do with the offense will be a weekly event, and being there when one of them breaks out - even better.

This is a work in progress and challenging the WRs is an ongoing process. This week Posey is listed behind Ray as #3 WR. So, it looks like we are going to spread em out and run Wiscy all over the field. Let's hope they all break out in this game.

Whoa Nellie! :biggrin: I agree we will complete more passes eventually, but OSU completed 13/22 passes for 135 yards this past weekend. Ran 37 times for 279 yards. That is not screaming for a young WR to break out while we have 2 all-conference WR's splitting TD's already.
 
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schwab;1277554; said:
Whoa Nellie! :biggrin: I agree we will complete more passes eventually, but OSU completed 13/22 passes for 135 yards this past weekend. Ran 37 times for 279 yards. That is not screaming for a young WR to break out while we have 2 all-conference WR's splitting TD's already.

Not screaming? I'm not screaming at all, just pointing out the potential for any WR to have a break out game with Pryor. But as long as the 2 all-conference WRs are caring the load we have nothing to worry about. This year. Next and and beyond is a different story. Tressel will want PT for all WRs that can show potential for stepping in next year. Not once did I mention DS here. I did mention Posey because he was on the depth chart this week. I really hope he has a huge game, that means that we have other outlets for Pryor other than the primary receivers. The coaches appear to be planning on an air show this week with the return of Beanie and the running game. We all know how well the passing game works when the running game is dominant.
 
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Tresselbeliever;1277381; said:
You can't really predict when players break out. Gonzo made some plays here and then and then suddenly took it up a notch against Michigan by catching the long TD pass on the opening drive. Was a little quiet again the next year then truly started to be a great player after making THE catch vs. Michigan. You really don't know when Sanzo might do the same.
Sanzenbacher's game bears little resemblance to Gonzales's. Gonzo had (has) way more speed. In fact, I'd argue that lack of breakaway speed at WR has been a serious problem for the Buckeyes last season and this.

Dane has lots going for him; he's tough, has good hands, appears to run good routes, and appears to block effectively. But speed isn't a primary weapon for him.
 
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