Will OSU ever lose to an Ohio team?

[Romanowski]

 

[Steve19]

Kelly to Notre Dame is the most unkept secret of the year, according to ESPiN. I mean, hey, when did they ever get something wrong!

I would also suggest that some of the posts on this thread reflect an unreal view of a world in which the Buckeyes can't be topped by the likes of UC, OU or Miami. That simply does not reflect real probability.

Well, if we take a Bayesian perspective and take the results of the last 100 years to establish our prior probabilities, then Ohio State is 62-1-1 against Ohio teams. If we take the 1925-2009 period, then Ohio State has won every game.

That suggests to me that the probability of a victory is pretty low and almost zero.

Now that Cincy is in a BCS conference, I suppose that does change things, provided that they can sustain their current level of performance. However, even their die-hard supporters think that is pretty hard to believe if Kelly leaves and think it is very unlikely he will stay.

Can it happen? A meteor strike is possible. The "real probability of a loss" is extremely low.

 

[Mike80]

I'm confident that Ohio State would have lost plenty of time throughout 81 years if they had an agreement with Cincinnati to play at each other's place every year as one of their rivalry OCC games, like South Carolina vs Clemson or Michigan vs Michigan State.

Plenty of "time"???

BTW fucktard Michigan and Michigan State isn't an OOC rivalry

Maybe once. Cincy's recent success doesn't mean they were worth a shit in the previous 80-90 years comparatively.

Ohio State has gotten away with playing most of them at home (their last game against Toledo was at Cleveland Browns Stadium) so they were not given a fair shake at the upset.

Do you think maybe these schools like going to Ohio Stadium for the PAYCHECK. Nah there couldn't POSSIBLY be a financial incentive there huh?

I wouldn't get cocky about that situation.

You seem to be really cocky about Cincinnati for some reason.

Ohio State is fortunate about that situation.

Did they teach writing in the college you went too??

I think Ohio State needs to have some balls and start playing Cincinnati every season as a rivalry game.

Except there IS no rivalry. The closest thing Ohio State has to an OOC rivalry is with USC and even THEY don't play every year.

And oh yeah, USC > Cincy.

That could increase some kind of excitement in our season anyway.

Our season? What's your position on the team??

That will end Ohio State's streak sooner or later.

Well we'll find out in 2011 and 2012. Of course the REAL question is WHO will be your Head Coach. It won't be Kelly.

 

[BigWoof31]

This isn't related to Ohio State or Buckeye football - but I thought I'd share a story about the mindset inside the UC program within the past 4 years.

Georgia originally scheduled a 2 for 1 with UC in 2003. The games were to be played starting next year with UC coming to Athens in 2010 and 2012 and UGA making the trip to PBS in 2011. The logic was that UGA fans travel pretty well and a bigger stadium than Nippert was needed.

Kelly and the AD got involved and tried to change the deal to make it 1 for 1 (prior to UC earning it's Orange Bowl Bid last year) and move the game back to UC's home field.

After some apparent haggling - Damon Evans (UGA's AD) trashed the agreement, told UC to stuff it and we picked up Louisville instead.

The Bearcat program has come along way in the past couple of years and it's something to be proud of - but they are acting a little too "big for their britches" if you ask me.

 

[Apache]

OSU vs All Ohio

It is unlikely to happen now but it could.

UC aka Cincinnati would give them a run this year.

Go Bucks

 

[Mike80]

This isn't related to Ohio State or Buckeye football - but I thought I'd share a story about the mindset inside the UC program within the past 4 years.

Georgia originally scheduled a 2 for 1 with UC in 2003. The games were to be played starting next year with UC coming to Athens in 2010 and 2012 and UGA making the trip to PBS in 2011. The logic was that UGA fans travel pretty well and a bigger stadium than Nippert was needed.

Kelly and the AD got involved and tried to change the deal to make it 1 for 1 (prior to UC earning it's Orange Bowl Bid last year) and move the game back to UC's home field.

After some apparent haggling - Damon Evans (UGA's AD) trashed the agreement, told UC to stuff it and we picked up Louisville instead.

The Bearcat program has come along way in the past couple of years and it's something to be proud of - but they are acting a little too "big for their britches" if you ask me.

Well, if you think about it, UGA is playing probably the best football it's played as a program (at least consistently) since the early 80s. Richt has built the program to the point that year in and year out UGA is going to be there.

That said, if you're building a program you don't want to schedule automatic losses, which is what having UGA on the schedule for UC would be.

I'll give them that at least.

But yes, UC is starting to think it's one of the kings of college football when it isn't even a Duke yet (yes I admit this is a Stewie Mandel reference to a couple of years ago)....

The Kings of college football are obvious and teams like UGA are right at the line between being considered a Duke or a King. UC hasn't sustained success long enough to be considered for anything.

 

[Mike80]

It is unlikely to happen now but it could.

UC aka Cincinnati would give them a run this year.

Go Bucks

UC's vaunted offense wouldn't score 14 points against Ohio State's defense. The OSU D doesn't usually leave the best receiver on the team one on one against an inferior guy like Oregon State did all game. Ohio State doesn't miss tackles in the hole too often.

And more importantly, Ohio State would hit Cincy like they HAVEN'T been hit since the VA Tech Orange Bowl game.

If Ohio State's offense did ANYTHING, Ohio State would win in a walk.

 

[Dryden]

I don't believe it's a rational argument to say it couldn't happen on the basis of OSU's dominance since the loss in 1921. Since 1932, when OSU beat Ohio Wesleyan 34-7, OSU (IIRC) didn't even play an in-state school again for 60 years, when OSU beat BGSU in 1992. That was the beginning of Coop's famous begrudging acceptance of playing these in-state games, which he always hated as 'OSU had nothing to gain from a W and everything to lose from a L.'

In just the past seven years OSU has played poorly enough to lose three different times ('02 UC, '03 BGSU, and '08 OU).

I don't think it's a question of if, but when.

 

[OCBucksFan]

Not this year, the Bengals and the Browns both suck, maybe in the future though.

 

[cincibuck]

Given enough time, of course, you are correct. But, that won't make it a rivalry and it also won't be "the norm" or anything other than an upset of Carrollian proportions.

I'm not suggesting it is.

Look, I'm not in favor of OSU playing MAC or Div AA teams period. First, there's no way to win such games short of running up the score against someone you shouldn't have been playing in the first place. Second, some day, somewhere, for whatever reason the Buckeyes are going to lose a game to a MAC/Ohio team, especially if it's an early season game before injuries have a MAC school's twos and threes playing. When it's their ones against OSUs ones, the gap isn't that great.

Michigan's losses to Toledo and Appalachian State can just as easily happen here. Just imagine the suck factor of this year's offense if TP wasn't able to go at QB. What if he'd signed with Jo Pa or Dick Wad? Any Top 20 program's team can fall apart in a heart beat. That it hasn't happened to OSU is both due to the quality of the program AND good fortune.

 

[FCollinsBuckeye]

I agree that it will eventually happen (lose to an in-state school). I also disagree to some extent that Cinci will plummet (or at least sink back to utter mediocrity) once Kelly leaves - I guess now that they are Ohio's [other] BCS Team TM , the UC job will be a pretty consistent stepping stone-type job for up and coming coaches. I expect Cinci will contend for Big East titles, and make the occasional BCS bowl. They won't ever be a perrenial 'powerhouse' though - what Big East team is?

As far as haveing the 'balls' to schedule UC every year - that notion is laughable.

 

[cincibuck]

Crazy that it hasn't happened in the last 88 years...yet I'm the one being unrealistic.

And the Titanic wasn't sinkable. Shit can, and does, happen.

I was there in PB Stadium and watched the Bucks survive three short passes in the end zone, one out of bounds, one dropped and one intercepted, to win. (and no, I'm not a UC fan.) I sat with fingers crossed as Marshall lined up to kick what could have been the winning field goal.

Eventually it will happen and it won't be the end of the world, but it will be a time to lay low and get ready for a shit storm from TSUN fans.

 

[jwinslow]

Is it possible? Sure.
Is it likely? No.
Are they relevant? No.

 

[Jake]

I'm confident that Ohio State would have lost plenty of time throughout 81 years if they had an agreement with Cincinnati to play at each other's place every year as one of their rivalry OCC games, like South Carolina vs Clemson or Michigan vs Michigan State.

Cincinnati has won 47.4% of their football games. They are 2-13 all time versus OSU, last winning in 1897. What evidence supports your assertion that OSU would've lost "plenty of time" to the Bearcats if we played every year?

Ohio State has gotten away with playing most of them at home (their last game against Toledo was at Cleveland Browns Stadium) so they were not given a fair shake at the upset.

Actually, in state opponents prefer to play mostly in the Shoe because of the money they make from it.

I think Ohio State needs to have some balls and start playing Cincinnati every season as a rivalry game.

As opposed to being pussies and scheduling Texas, USC, Oklahoma...

 

[BayBuck]

When it's their ones against OSUs ones, the gap isn't that great.

Disagree. With the exception of maybe UC at some spots, the gap between OSU's starting talent and Ohio's MAC schools is indeed great. That's why we usually end up seeing so much of our own twos and threes in those games. And when they do play us close, it's more of a reflection of attitude/motivation than comparable talent.