Will OSU ever lose to an Ohio team?

[jwinslow]

Ohio State has gotten away with playing most of them at home (their last game against Toledo was at Cleveland Browns Stadium) so they were not given a fair shake at the upset.

Which was not well attended, and unless you're going to have people sit 3 deep per seat, Nippert is huge hit financially.

 

[Poe McKnoe]

I agree that it will eventually happen (lose to an in-state school).

Forever is a long time. Players for Cincy could have an extra arm or sonar by then. That could help. Or better yet...

Of course, OSU players would have adapted to breathe carbon dioxide, which the Earth's atmosphere was made up of. In that case, I'd still go with the Buckeyes.

By a field goal.

 

[cincibuck]

Which was not well attended, and unless you're going to have people sit 3 deep per seat, Nippert is huge hit financially.

The largest crowd to ever see a football game in Cincinnati was UC - OSU in 2002. I think the Bengals finally beat that mark for their playoff game with the Steelers. There were no empty seats in PBS, still 87K is not 105K.

 

[Buckrock]

The largest crowd to ever see a football game in Cincinnati was UC - OSU in 2002. I think the Bengals finally beat that mark for their playoff game with the Steelers. There were no empty seats in PBS, still 87K is not 105K.

When did PBS swell to 87K? Wow.

 

[Poe McKnoe]

When did PBS swell to 87K? Wow.

Actual Capacity 65,000 + imaginary 22,000 = 87,000

It's simple math, really.

EDIT: Not to be a jackass...so I googled it.

Bengals Set Attendance Record - scout.com

Turnstile attendance reflects the actual number of people who entered the stadium gates. The second-highest turnstile figure for a Paul Brown Stadium event was 62,604 for the Bengals-Steelers game on Sept. 21 of this season. The No. 3 figure was 61,196 for the Bengals-Bears game on Oct. 21, 2001, and 2001, and the No. 4 figure was 60,875 for the UC-Ohio State game on Sept. 21, 2002

The highest tickets-distributed figure for a PBS event was 66,319 for the 2002 UC-Ohio State game.

 

[CalvinistBuck]

Ohio State isn't "fortunate" Ohio State has made a concentrated effort to make Ohio State football king of football in the state. That wasn't luck, it was by design and with purpose.

Except that they considered football more important.... for whatever reasons...
And, so.. what did Ohio State do that these other teams did not?

They invested in a huge stadium which was routinely vacant, and more than half vacant for the bulk of all home games, with crowds of 20,000 to 30,000 being the norm until after WWII.

If Cinci, or Miami or Toledo or anyone else in Ohio wants to bitch, they should bitch to their own history for failing to recognize the future of the game. They should bitch at their own history for seeing what Ohio State was doing, and failing to respond.

In 1922, all things we pretty much equal..... And Ohio State decided to use football as a way to make money.... and to gain exposure...other schools did not. tough [censored].

Insightful posts like this is the reason I wade through myriad threads. BKB's observation that tOSU made a calculated effort to make their program the undisputed king of football in the state of Ohio should not be lost on both Buckeye fans and outsiders.

This is a fundamental reason why there are legions of Buckeye fans who did not attend tOSU. I graduated from the Univ. of Toledo but was a Buckeye fan long before I thought about going to college. To be sure, I rooted for the Bucks without reservation last Saturday (I won't even wear "blue" jeans on game day.).

Most of my friends who are Buckeye fans grew up in Ohio, and while they often graduated from other universities, they are unequivocal supporters. In fact, the most knowledgeable Buckeye fan I know played football at an Ivy League school.

I went to an Indians game and met two grad school students who attended tsun. No matter, they were raised in Ohio and are both diehard Buckeye fans. One of them said (referring to the students at tsun), "Those purple haired, nose-ring wearing students up there don't even care about football."

I know this acknowledgement veers from the original topic, but the evidence supporting the fact that tOSU is the king cannot be overstated. UC isn't even a prince--more like a page.

 

[Muck]

Did some UC Basketball fans get confused & wander into this thread?!

Will OSU ever lose to an Ohio team?

Probably someday.

It will also likely take a "perfect storm" of circumstances (bad weather, Buckeyes rebuilding, suffereing key injuries, personnel turmoil etc...hmm that sounds a lot like 2002 doesn't it?) for it to happen.

Ohio teams have sometimes put a scare into Ohio State in recent years.

Primarily because they get to play the Buckeyes when Coach Tressell is in "run 5 plays, don't show anything to our conference oppoenents & get every kid off the bench who isn't redshirting into the game for some experience" mode.

UC vs Ohio State the week after the USC loss?

UC "fans" would quickly return to the BB boards & bitching about Nancy Zimpher and pretend UC football doesn't exist...just like they have for most of the past 50 years.

 

[Zurp]

If the chances are 1 in 100, and they keep pressing it, eventually, Ohio State will lose.
If the chances are 1 in 1,000, and they keep pressing it, eventually, Ohio State will lose.
If the chances are 1 in 10,000, and they keep pressing it, eventually, Ohio State will lose.
And so on...

If Ohio State continues to play games against other Ohio teams, they will lose sometime. But I don't see any time soon where I would predict an Ohio State loss to an in-state opponent.

As for Cincinnati becoming an OOC rival, I find that idea pretty weak.

 

[Mike80]

I'm not suggesting it is.

Look, I'm not in favor of OSU playing MAC or Div AA teams period. First, there's no way to win such games short of running up the score against someone you shouldn't have been playing in the first place. Second, some day, somewhere, for whatever reason the Buckeyes are going to lose a game to a MAC/Ohio team, especially if it's an early season game before injuries have a MAC school's twos and threes playing. When it's their ones against OSUs ones, the gap isn't that great.

The gap, as you put it, really depends on the team. However, yes, the overall talent levels between the MAC and the Big Ten isn't as different as it was 10 years ago.

Michigan's losses to Toledo and Appalachian State can just as easily happen here. Just imagine the suck factor of this year's offense if TP wasn't able to go at QB. What if he'd signed with Jo Pa or Dick Wad? Any Top 20 program's team can fall apart in a heart beat. That it hasn't happened to OSU is both due to the quality of the program AND good fortune.

Two words:

Antonio Henton.

 

[cincibuck]

Actual Capacity 65,000 + imaginary 22,000 = 87,000

It's simple math, really.

EDIT: Not to be a jackass...so I googled it.

Bengals Set Attendance Record - scout.com

Egg on me. I should have known the stadium was that much smaller.

 

[cincibuck]

If the chances are 1 in 100, and they keep pressing it, eventually, Ohio State will lose.
If the chances are 1 in 1,000, and they keep pressing it, eventually, Ohio State will lose.
If the chances are 1 in 10,000, and they keep pressing it, eventually, Ohio State will lose.
And so on...

Well yeah. look how long it took Michigan to lose to a MAC school. I'm not arguing that MAC/UC programs are ready to compete with the Big 10 in football (but then, neither is Indiana) what I am saying is that it will probably happen.

If Ohio State continues to play games against other Ohio teams, they will lose sometime. But I don't see any time soon where I would predict an Ohio State loss to an in-state opponent.

And just who would have picked a Michigan team with Hart, Henne and Long to lose to Ap State... or four straight to OSU for that matter.

As for Cincinnati becoming an OOC rival, I find that idea pretty weak.

I haven't proposed UC as a rival, but I would suggest that if you have to play a road game in the 65K stadium (more egg, please, Sir) PBS and UC are a good place to do it from a diplomatic/recruiting point of view.

 

[Jaxbuck]

Of course it will happen. At some point in the future if OSU plays enough games vs an Ohio school, OSU will lose a game.

What will never happen is that one of the Fredo schools steps permanently into OSU's weight class. I think this is the point a lot of Fredo fans like the UC homer on page 1 get easily confused on.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

I think Ohio State needs to have some balls and start playing Cincinnati every season as a rivalry game.

Why should Cincinnati get to be our "rival" in-state game over any other Ohio I-A team? Oh, that's right, you're also a Cincinnati fan...

 

[Kenshin]

Why should Cincinnati get to be our "rival" in-state game over any other Ohio I-A team? Oh, that's right, you're also a Cincinnati fan...

To be fair, they are currently the only other BCS-conf school at the moment.
Unfortunately for them, that's about the only thing that can be said in favor of it. I don't think we need an "in-State" rival anyway. So as long we're playing other Ohio schools we should spread the love.

On the topic -- since the word "ever" is in the question it's obvious that eventually it will probably happen. But, as others have already said, not any time soon.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

I'm confident that Ohio State would have lost plenty of time throughout 81 years if they had an agreement with Cincinnati to play at each other's place every year as one of their rivalry

Cincy was absolute garbage for all of those 81 years, save a couple that Ohio State alum Sid Gillman was coaching them before he jumped to the AFL.

Don't mistake a couple of recent top 25 finishes by UC for any kind of football history.