Which CB Will Replace Fox?

[ZachDumas]

Watch Out for Roberts This Year....

Mike Roberts has been training very hard this Off-Season and seems very dedicated to making a difference on the field this year. The young man has a great attitude and a lot of ability. As his technique improves, he will have a solid chance to contribute.

Don't be surprised...

-Hitman

 

[goodguy]

Mike Roberts has been training very hard this Off-Season and seems very dedicated to making a difference on the field this year. The young man has a great attitude and a lot of ability. As his technique improves, he will have a solid chance to contribute.

Don't be surprised...

-Hitman

I hope he does contribute. Do you have insider info??

 

[smithlabs]

I think our offense will be just fine next year.

Either QB is experience so if TB beats them out he must be special
OL is finally starting to gel and get meen
Johnson is coming on at FB
TE is a little lean but Nicol is now experienced and Frost is back from injury
Ross isn't our tailback
Holmes, Gonzo and Hall at WR with a possibility of Dukes, Lyons or Jordon.

Other than four years of anemic offense without either Clarett or Ginn there isn't a driving need for TG on offense. On defense, however, there is a vacant cornerback spot for, probably, the best cover corner in college football. Think about how aggressive we would call blitzes with AY, TG and the cast of safeties. It would be awesome. Heck, we could even drop Hawk into coverage and let Ginn come in on a blitz. You couldn't even blink before he would be in on your QB.

Licking my chops and hoping for Ginn,
Smithlabs

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

I think our offense will be just fine next year....Holmes, Gonzo and Hall at WR with a possibility of Dukes, Lyons or Jordon.

Other than four years of anemic offense without either Clarett or Ginn there isn't a driving need for TG on offense. On defense, however, there is a vacant cornerback spot for, probably, the best cover corner in college football.

Licking my chops and hoping for Ginn,
Smithlabs

What you should be hoping for is a good drug rehab center nearby. Not even mentioning the most dangerous player in the country at WR? No "driving need for TG on offense"? Have you even been watching the games? Ginn's mear presence on the field completely changes the opposing defensive scheme.

As for "the best cover corner in college football", how would you know that seeing as he hasn't played a single down on defense in college? If he were the best cover corner is college, don't you think that he would've played at corner last year?

 

[JohnnyCockfight]

What you should be hoping for is a good drug rehab center nearby. Not even mentioning the most dangerous player in the country at WR? No "driving need for TG on offense"? Have you even been watching the games? Ginn's mear presence on the field completely changes the opposing defensive scheme.

As for "the best cover corner in college football", how would you know that seeing as he hasn't played a single down on defense in college? If he were the best cover corner is college, don't you think that he would've played at corner last year?

Ginn is the best everything in the country. I can't believe there are still some people who don't realize that.

 

[Welsh0913]

I think the best situation would be to use Ginn on offense (we have seen how productive he can be) and as the Nickleback in certain situations. He is too talented to only keep on one side of the ball.

 

[BloowdBuck]

I think the best situation would be to use Ginn on offense (we have seen how productive he can be) and as the Nickleback in certain situations. He is too talented to only keep on one side of the ball.

I agree, Ginn will start out as a Nickle/Dimeback and wow everyone. Won't be able to keep him off the field. Ted Sr was upset at Tressel for not using him more, specially on Defense. He said he wasn't using all of Ted's abilities.

Hopefully we'll start blowing out teams, so he can get a little rest during the season.

Here's hopin' anyway...

 

[smithlabs]

MililaniBuckeye,

I stand by my original statement,

Other than four years of anemic offense without either Clarett or Ginn there isn't a driving need for TG on offense.

I don't think the offense will be anemic (re:sucky) this year. Tressel was commited to the run when even when it didn't work. With Clarret and an ok line, Tressel was blowing away teams and looking like a genious. This year we should have three decent backs (Pittman, Haw and Wells) and an offensive line that was starting to gel last year. The line should only get better with Mitchum and Pearson through redshirting, Cordel in spring ball and Boone being Boone. I believe we will be able to run and protect the QB, the two biggests keys for effective offenses. Ginn should have reps on offense because he is awsome and opposing coaches will have to dedicate time to stoping him but the offense will not need him.

If he were the best cover corner is college, don't you think that he would've played at corner last year?

Lets see, he is: super fast, USA today DEFENSIVE player of the year, AA mvp, Big 33 mvp and a son of a coach. Pretty good resume. He was also behind a 4 year starter in Fox and a pretty good corner in Underwood. Injuries forced Youboty into the mix but he did a stellar job. I bet you the coaches stayed up late wondering about switching Ginn at that point but AY came through for us. This year there is no Fox and possibly no Underwood, so there is a need at corner. Your question was, why didn't he play? Because there was a need on offense last year. He also had a lot of trouble with the physicality of college football early on in the season. He was thrown off by contact at the line. Reverse the situation and a WR could beat him off the line. That would be too big of a risk of having a WR manhandle our CB and get open. Ginn seems better able to handle to contact now so he is should be ready to go both ways. By the end of the year Fox was healthy, Youboty was looking great and Ginn was too valuable to move. My answer in a nutshell, depth and physical development kept him from starting at CB last year. Depth and value kept him at WR

Smithlabs

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

smithlabs....you've had some doozies for posts in the past, but this one takes the cake.

 

[osugrad21]

AA mvp, Big 33 mvp

He won the Army AA MVP with his returns

He won the Big 33 MVP as a receiver....

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Ginn caught five passes for 142 yards, including an 82-yard touchdown reception, and passed for the game-winning touchdown on a flea flicker. The Ohio State recruit from Glenville, Ohio, was named the MVP with a unanimous vote.

Teddy Ginn is a gamebreaker...CBs do not break games. They can alter a gameplan, toss in a big play on occasion, but they do not break games wide open like Teddy Ginn does on the offensive side of the ball.

You are correct though, his potential at corner is tempting...but his impact on offense is irresistible

 

[jwinslow]

I think this is why Tucker was looking at the browns position, he realized that BP had everything under control in the secondary and could fill his shoes if he left. :)

 

[SCBuckeye75]

"Teddy Ginn is a gamebreaker...CBs do not break games. They can alter a gameplan, toss in a big play on occasion, but they do not break games wide open like Teddy Ginn does on the offensive side of the ball.

You are correct though, his potential at corner is tempting...but his impact on offense is irresistible"
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Bingo! couldnt have said it better myself. although I do think he plays some...a little..ok a lot at nickel .

 

[Carmen Ohio]

I can understand the temptation to put Ginn at corner but the question again is... is it worth the increased risk. Are the options at corner so bad that we have to use our best offensive threat on that side of the ball? We have a lot of talent waiting in the wings and Jamario coming at that position. We went both ways with Gamble because we had to... it doesn''t seem like we have to with Ginn. It's apparent that coach T is determined to keep Ginn on offense and punt returns and we ought to face it - like Fox at corner and D'Andrea at middle linebacker.

 

[smithlabs]

He won the Big 33 MVP as a receiver....

You have something there but I thought he also played DB in the second half and shut down his half of the field. Notice that right behind Mr. Ginn receiving was "Devon Lyons (Ohio State) caught four passes for 123 yards." We didn't have the balls to get Lyons involved in the offense last year

BuckeyeNation27 - I aim to please. Some people go for consistency; some for impact. I feel no need to compromise.

An individual piece or person on the defense will not break games wide open. The defense needs to defend the field with the pieces they have so each piece makes that unit stronger. A shut down corner will allow the rest of the defense to be better and more aggressive. The defense as a whole will can break games wide open with Ginn as an integral piece. He allows for blitzes and 8 man fronts.

My support of Ginn to defense is predicated by my confidence in our offense for next year. I think we are going to kick ass.


Smithlabs

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

Lets see, he is: super fast, USA today DEFENSIVE player of the year, AA mvp, Big 33 mvp and a son of a coach.

...

Your question was, why didn't he play? Because there was a need on offense last year. He also had a lot of trouble with the physicality of college football early on in the season.

Super fast, but speed alone doesn't equate to coverage ability. He was DPOY due as much to his overall play at Glenville as it was his play at corner...corner was his primary position and thus that's why he received the award for defense. As osugrad21 pointed out, he won the Big 33 and AA MVP awards for play at positions other than corner. His being the son of a coach has nothing to do with his ability as a corner. You think Robiskie should switch to corner just because he's also the son of a coach?

You say he played on offense because there was a need there. But in an earlier post you proclaimed him "the best cover corner in college football". Hey, if I had the best cover corner in football, you could bet he'd be at corner, regardless of need at WR or his "trouble with the physicality of college football". If he were truly that good, then he could rely on shutting down WRs rather than knocking them down.

Ginn could very well become a great corner if allowed to play there, but his immense impact on offense is undeniable.