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Vince Young (unemployed)

:oh: :io: Help me (and maybe a few more) on this. Is not the Wonderlik testing the ability to learn _____? What exactly? How many atoms in an oxygen molecule? Or reading a story and then answering questions?

The guy has a very high football IQ. Trying to put some of the psychological spin on an ability to learn mathematical or philosophical stuff is all these guys have on the front end. The guys at the combine will spend millions on a kid and need to have some justification to pick a Bush over a VY, or whatever. Or some justification if he fails (a la Ryan Leaf). Which also goes to show you that the tests don't always point correctly......

From what I saw in the two games I watched - OSU and then USC, the guy can play. Most of the elite D-I scools run sophisticated offenses, but I don't know how comparable it would be to a pro team's offense. Probably not much??? Anyway, intelligence is not always a predictor of success, (know several MENSA grads working well below their potential (?) ).

Just my opinion, worth exactly what you paid for it.
 
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Most teams these days will sit a potential QB down, and show him game film, asking him why he did what he did in his college offense.

I believe they'll also show him some pro plays that he may not be familiar with, and ask him to explain what his reads should be when he sees the defense doing various things.

The way a guy handles those sessions are much more important to a team than what the Wonderlic score was.
 
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From wikipedia:

The Wonderlic is a twelve-minute, fifty-question exam to assess aptitude for learning a job and adapting to solve problems for employees in a wide range of occupations.

I can't speak to Young's "football intelligence", but there is always the concern for whether quarterbacks can learn and master a system. NFL systems are much more complicated than any college system.

You are right:intelligence is not always a predictor of success. But neither is one's 40 time, yet see what happens if someone runs a tenth of a second faster/slower than expected.
 
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If I were considering drafting him I would care more about sitting him down with one of those "sports psychologists" than his wonderlic score. I'm not sure I used the right title, but I am referring to the experts teams have been using to analyze the personalities of potential draft picks to try and predict their future success. I know the Colts used one highly rated one when considering Manning or Leaf. He told them Manning. Good call.

You are correct. In addition to the Sports shrink, many teams administer their own test. More than a few football people have thought that the wonderlic had outlived its use a while ago. That said a 6 or 16 or whatever it was is not good and will not just go away. Its out there now and will have some sort of effect(or is it affect?) on vince's stock, even if it is just subconsciously.
 
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The test is so that teams can get him for less or hope he slides down to another team. The Jets probably graded the first one. VY is the real deal. Look at what he did on the field against USC and OSU. They probably will have 4 players each drafted in the first rounds on defense. Matt L has been blessed with some very nice receivers and great O line and also a huge threat by the name of Bush. How many people from Texas O is getting drafted in the first round? Every defense focused on VY and he still beat them all. There is no one to measure him against and no way to compare him to know how good he really is and no one in the draft can say that. I just wish Denver could trade up to get him.
 
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Young Speaks Up:
LINK
Young shrugs off ‘disrespectful’ IQ test reports
‘A rumor is a rumor to me, it's just like high school,’ says Texas quarterback
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]NBCSports.com news services[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Updated: 12:53 a.m. ET March 4, 2006[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]University of Texas quarterback Vince Young read the news and heard the jokes.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]At last month's NFL scouting combine in Indianapolis there were numerous reports that said Young scored a stunningly low 6 out of 50 on the Wonderlic intelligence test. Then there are other reports that the test was incorrectly graded and he took it again and scored a more respectable 16.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]While nothing is official, the Rose Bowl MVP did acknowledge that the publicity was upsetting.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"It hurts a little bit, and I think it's very disrespectful. But it's cool, it's cool," Young told ESPN. "I know what I can do, and I'm going to continue doing what I'm doing.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"A rumor is a rumor to me, it's just like high school, they say you kissed some girl, but you really didn't, so that's how I feel about it.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"I don't really care about the criticism, because I'm pretty much used to it," Young said. "There's always something about Vince. ... I feel like I've overcome all of that, turned out pretty good, so I want to continue to do that in the NFL as well."[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]However, this kind of criticism is to be expected, according to Young's agent, Major Adams.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"People are going to try to bring him down between the Rose Bowl and the draft day," Adams told ESPN. "They will try to take shots at him, and he hasn't done anything wrong, so we just take it with a grain of salt."[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Young, who lost out to Southern California tailback Reggie Bush for the Heisman Trophy, was in Atlantic City to accept the 69th annual Maxwell Award, given to college football’s player of the year by the Maxwell Football Club.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Young led the Longhorns to a 41-38 victory over USC in the Rose Bowl to claim college football's national championship.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]A Houston native, Young is also a potential No. 1 overall pick by the Houston Texans in next month's NFL draft.[/FONT]
My favorite from the M-blog unofficial Wonderlic -- because it is so close to the truth ...
5. A linebacker is 21. The underage girl he sleeps with is 16. At Tennessee, how many plays against a non-conference team would he have to miss as punishment?
 
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Young Not Readt For Prime Time

By Jason Whitlock
Special to Page 2

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You have to wonder whether Vince Young knows what job he's applying for, or if he even realizes that he is "applying" for a job.
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</TD></TR><TR><TD style="PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; LINE-HEIGHT: 13px" width=195>[FONT=verdana, arial, geneva]Vince Young's got some things to learn if he's going to succeed in the NFL. (AP Photo/Tim Larsen)[/FONT]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>The NFL doesn't recruit starting quarterbacks. It's not the Marines out looking for a few good men. When it comes to picking its quarterbacks, The League is Halle Berry on Oscar night. She can pick any designer she pleases, and the world's most renowned designers are just grateful for the opportunity to be considered.
Vince Young doesn't get this. He thinks joining the NFL will be similar to joining the NCAA. He mistakenly believes he's holding all (or most of) the cards, and that come April's draft some lucky GM is going to feel like a lottery winner when Vince Young stands next to Paul Tagliabue and pulls on a Saints or Texans or Titans cap.
Vince Young is clueless. And I'm not talking about his score on the Wonderlic test. I'm talking about his understanding of what it takes to make it in the NFL as a quarterback.
Humility is the No. 1 ingredient.
The most prestigious and most difficult job in all of sports -- NFL quarterback -- is played at a high level by the men willing to humble themselves and prepare like each Sunday is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity.
This isn't the NBA, and Young isn't Shaquille O'Neal. You don't get the first half of the season to play your way into shape. It's not Major League Baseball, and Young isn't Roger Clemens. You don't get to stay at home with your family on certain road trips.
This isn't the University of Texas, and Young is no longer able to rely on his superior athleticism and instincts to outduel his competitors.
Young's success in the NFL will hinge almost exclusively on his willingness to prepare. And that's exactly what Young's Wonderlic score and other curious decisions call into question -- his will to prepare and his level of humility.
The fact that Young had to take the Wonderlic twice in order to score a 16 is an indication to me that Young did not prepare for the test, particularly the first time. That speaks to Young's arrogance. So does his choice in representation and his decision to visit the president and the White House sans sports coat and tie.
Are you following me?
When you have a chance at being the No. 1 overall pick in the draft, securing a $25 million signing bonus and landing one of the 32 most important jobs in professional sports, you don't pick a family friend and local criminal defense attorney (Major Adams) to head up your campaign.
That's not keeping it real. It's foolish and arrogant. It raises questions about your decision-making and maturity.
Now, had Young wanted to give Major Adams a break, Young could've easily stipulated to any experienced potential agent that Adams work as co-counsel. A deal such as this would've provided Adams with a tremendous learning experience and protected Young's interest.
It would've given Team Vince, the loosely formed management posse representing Young, some much-needed professionalism. A seasoned agent might be able to explain to Young the difference between being an NFL quarterback and an NBA small forward.
Small forwards travel with posses decked out in white T's, bling bling and agents in sweat suits. NFL quarterbacks don't.
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</TD></TR><TR><TD style="PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; LINE-HEIGHT: 13px" width=195>[FONT=verdana, arial, geneva]Young was on top of the world a couple months ago -- things have changed. (AP Photo/Paul Sakuma)[/FONT]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>When Young hit radio row at Super Bowl XL with posse and Major Adams in tow, that was the first time I sensed that Young might not grasp that the rules are different for QBs and DBs. When I learned that the leader of Young's posse (and the man calling the real shots for Team Vince) is a longtime friend and Houston nightclub owner who goes by the nickname "Black," that's when I told a friend to keep an eye on Young's draft stock.
"It's gonna dip."
A starting NFL quarterback is the face of a billion-dollar corporation. He is one of the three or four highest-profile individuals in his city and perhaps in his state. His every move is cussed, discussed and analyzed by millions of people who don't have a clue about playing the position.
It's impossible to exaggerate just how much more important the NFL is than every other sport in this country. Vince Young foolishly thinks that the Texas Longhorns and Mack Brown are more important than the Houston Texans and Gary Kubiak. Young thinks playing USC for the national championship was real pressure.
Playing quarterback in the NFL is the equivalent of getting in the sack with Jenna Jameson. Oh, everybody wants to do it, but it can be an incredibly humbling and "short" experience.
Just ask Ryan Leaf or countless other can't-miss prospects. Michael Vick is in the process of getting humbled. He was supposed to reinvent the position. I don't believe the position will ever be reinvented. The guys who have consistent success will always be the guys who prepare the hardest.
Before any NFL owner gives Young a bunch of guaranteed dollars, the general manager better make sure Young is going to hit the film room and practice field just as hard as Peyton Manning, Donovan McNabb and Tom Brady. The GM also should make sure that the head coach and offensive coordinator -- not some let's-hit-the-strip-clubs posse member -- have the ear of the quarterback.
Playing QB in The League is a different animal.
It's an honor. So far, Vince Young isn't treating it like an honor. He's treating it like it's his right, granted to him by an MVP performance in the Rose Bowl. You can be a fool and argue that Young proved all he needed to prove in Texas' upset of USC. Hmm. Didn't Redskins running back Tim Smith and Cowboys cornerback Larry Brown have big games on football's biggest stage and later prove to be frauds? And what don't people understand about the concept that NFL quarterbacks have to prove themselves week to week? Right now Young is proving that he doesn't have the necessary intangibles to thrive as a starting QB. He carries himself like a wide receiver.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=whitlock/060309&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab3pos3
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
Oxygen is an element (single atom), and as such isn't a molecule.
Oxygen is an element, but it combines with itself to form one of three different molecules. O2 is what we breath and is two atoms of oxygen. O3 is more commonly known as ozone. O4 (tetraoxygen) is supposed to be the next big thing in rocket fuel. O1 is never found in nature because the atoms combine as soon as they are free.

Betcha Vince Young didn't know either though.:wink2:
 
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Cincy

3/23/06

NFL notebook

QB Young draws large crowd for workout

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

<!--ARTICLE BODY TEXT-->AUSTIN, Texas - Vince Young threw sideline passes, deep routes and across the middle. Some were touch passes; others he fired as hard as he could.

Almost all were on target.

The former Texas quarterback worked out for 30 minutes Wednesday in front of more than 100 NFL scouts, coaches and executives who are paying close attention to Young's quirky throwing motion.

Very impressed," said new Houston Texans coach Gary Kubiak, whose team owns the No. 1 pick. "The kid put on a show."

Young declared for the draft four days after leading Texas to a Rose Bowl victory over Southern California and a national title. He didn't take part in drills at the NFL combine.

"I wanted to go out here and show them I had been working," Young said of his performance for NFL teams.

University of Texas officials said Washington was the only team not to have someone watch the workout.

One owner, the Texans' Bob McNair, introduced himself to Young before the throwing session.

"I think he had a good workout," McNair said.

The Texans, who were 2-14 last season, are expected to lean toward drafting USC tailback and Heisman Trophy winner Reggie Bush after extending quarterback David Carr's contract for three years.

McNair indicated the Texans haven't decided whom to draft or whether to keep or trade the pick.

"It's a very valuable pick," he said. "We all want to make a good decision."

Young wasn't scheduled to run Wednesday but said he wanted to after watching teammates do it.

According to NFL.com, Young is 6 feet 45/8 and 228 pounds. He ran one 40-yard dash, timing 4.57 seconds, although Young said he was told he timed between 4.4 and 4.5.
 
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