USC Trojans (official thread)

[kujirakira]

That's the assumption, but is it a sure thing? Remember when everyone said dickrod was gonna terrorize the B1G when his offenses got the caliber of recruits scUM drew? There's more to coaching at big time programs than simply "schematics." There's culture, interacting with donors/alumni, etc.. Why the defensive assumption? His defenses at Oregon ranged from decent to mediocre, much like dickrod's at wvu. Hell, dickrod fielded better D's at wvu, but couldn't put it together at scUM, a program traditionally known for fielding good defenses.

He very well could build a monster at USC, or he could fall flat on his face when he tries to utilize his system at a program that is vastly different from a "culture" standpoint than Nike U. I just don't see it as a guarantee.

RichRod ran 335 at WVU... scUM refused to hire his DC from WVU to run the 335. Instead he hired 43 guys, then forced them to attempt running 335 anyway... both have had more success since leaving there and running their own defense (43).
It was unlikely 335 would ever work in the Big10... but it was doomed when they refused to hire the DC for it and instead forced 43 coaches to do 335. I can guess there was a serious power struggle behind the scenes over the defense... the University forced him to hire guys to run 43, but couldn't force him to actually implement 43 on the field.
RichRod got his DC from WVU choice back in Arizona, where they do 335.

I don't know what Chip Kelly did at Oregon (34?), but I have a feeling it'd just be Oregon 2.0 ... flashy offense, suspect defense. Tigers don't change their stripes. Still, in today's PAC that'd get the job done. It's done Oregon well enough in recent years...

 

[NFBuck]

Possibly. But, again, the culture thing is often overlooked. Would Chip Kelly's personality fit in there? I don't know. Another overlooked angle, will usc, fresh off sanctions that have seriously impaired (heh) their program for a half decade hire a guy fresh off a show cause? We joke, but I'm not sure the brass would sign off on that. USC isn't a university run by it's footbaw program like a lot of southern teams...or even like the "big cigars" at texas.

 

[ExpatAkronite]

Possibly. But, again, the culture thing is often overlooked. Would Chip Kelly's personality fit in there? I don't know. Another overlooked angle, will usc, fresh off sanctions that have seriously impaired (heh) their program for a half decade hire a guy fresh off a show cause? We joke, but I'm not sure the brass would sign off on that. USC isn't a university run by it's footbaw program like a lot of southern teams...or even like the "big cigars" at texas.

On the one hand Kelly is a single guy (not many elite coaches are) and it's easy to pick up and move. He might even love the LA lifestyle. I still think he's a big fish, small pond guy though. He did whatever he wanted in Eugene (and probably only answered to Uncle Phil). He certainly showed little patience for media or boosters. For now he seems to do whatever he wants at Philly but the NFL leash is notoriously short. I can easily see him back in the college ranks. I can't see him at SC or Texas. Kyle Whittingham is my leader for the SC job--after Haden is fired.

 

[kujirakira]

Possibly. But, again, the culture thing is often overlooked. Would Chip Kelly's personality fit in there? I don't know. Another overlooked angle, will usc, fresh off sanctions that have seriously impaired (heh) their program for a half decade hire a guy fresh off a show cause? We joke, but I'm not sure the brass would sign off on that. USC isn't a university run by it's footbaw program like a lot of southern teams...or even like the "big cigars" at texas.

Yea I don't know that it'd work.
Just thinking it'd be about the same... don't see him lighting up the world or suddenly discovering defense just cuz the uniform is c̶h̶a̶n̶g̶e̶d̶ the same every week. And don't see him being a complete flop either.

Agree w/Expat though, Whittingham makes the most sense imo. Good hire, also simultaneously weakens the top upstart in their division.

 

[pnuts34]

On the one hand Kelly is a single guy (not many elite coaches are) and it's easy to pick up and move. He might even love the LA lifestyle. I still think he's a big fish, small pond guy though. He did whatever he wanted in Eugene (and probably only answered to Uncle Phil). He certainly showed little patience for media or boosters. For now he seems to do whatever he wants at Philly but the NFL leash is notoriously short. I can easily see him back in the college ranks. I can't see him at SC or Texas. Kyle Whittingham is my leader for the SC job--after Haden is fired.

I agree with all of this. Except for Whittingham, I see USC going after a coordinator from the NFL. Their last home run coaching hire also was an unsuccessful coach from the NFL who had a ton of energy, I'm sure they can find that again.

 

[ExpatAkronite]

I agree with all of this. Except for Whittingham, I see USC going after a coordinator from the NFL. Their last home run coaching hire also was an unsuccessful coach from the NFL who had a ton of energy, I'm sure they can find that again.

I could see that (though no one comes to mind). You don't have to be a great recruiter (it kind of sells itself) but you have to be able to manage the madness of LA.

Salt Lake, however, is on alert:
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/...part-as-a-natural-fit-for-USC-job.html?pg=all

 

[ExpatAkronite]

Then again....fuck SC. Let them hire Brady Hoke or Bert Bielema or Mickey Mouse. Let Haden fire the next coach via snapchat. Buckeyes have some history with this program and right now they're on a 6-0 run (yeah, that just sank in. I was in 8th grade the last time the Buckeyes beat SC!!!). Fuck that. Put them on the schedule the next 10 years so that stupid fucking riff the band plays after every fucking play can be pounded into oblivion and forgotten by all generations to come. Fuck that team out west (rather, from where I'm sitting, fuck that team down south....)!

And this thread title by no means conveys the depth of contempt Buckeye fan should have (Jim Otis is not pleased). 0-6 since '73. Really?

 

[DoctorWho]

RichRod ran 335 at WVU... scUM refused to hire his DC from WVU to run the 335. Instead he hired 43 guys, then forced them to attempt running 335 anyway... both have had more success since leaving there and running their own defense (43).
It was unlikely 335 would ever work in the Big10... but it was doomed when they refused to hire the DC for it and instead forced 43 coaches to do 335. I can guess there was a serious power struggle behind the scenes over the defense... the University forced him to hire guys to run 43, but couldn't force him to actually implement 43 on the field.
RichRod got his DC from WVU choice back in Arizona, where they do 335.

I don't know what Chip Kelly did at Oregon (34?), but I have a feeling it'd just be Oregon 2.0 ... flashy offense, suspect defense. Tigers don't change their stripes. Still, in today's PAC that'd get the job done. It's done Oregon well enough in recent years...

I would love to see Chip at USC. That name brand with his coaching. It would be nuts with the talent pool they have locally.

 

[ExpatAkronite]

Fuck SC. 27-16. (Sorry. Couldn't find a photo from 68/69.)

 

[ScriptOhio]

Fuck SC. 27-16. (Sorry. Couldn't find a photo from 68/69.)

Hell, you don't need to settle for a photo, just watch the whole game:



....

 

[ExpatAkronite]

Hell, you don't need to settle for a photo, just watch the whole game:



....

Well, I was going for the JO/OJ juxtaposition.....but boy that brings back memories. And fuck SC!

 

[Woody1968]

RichRod ran 335 at WVU... scUM refused to hire his DC from WVU to run the 335. Instead he hired 43 guys, then forced them to attempt running 335 anyway... both have had more success since leaving there and running their own defense (43).
It was unlikely 335 would ever work in the Big10... but it was doomed when they refused to hire the DC for it and instead forced 43 coaches to do 335. I can guess there was a serious power struggle behind the scenes over the defense... the University forced him to hire guys to run 43, but couldn't force him to actually implement 43 on the field.
RichRod got his DC from WVU choice back in Arizona, where they do 335.

I don't know what Chip Kelly did at Oregon (34?), but I have a feeling it'd just be Oregon 2.0 ... flashy offense, suspect defense. Tigers don't change their stripes. Still, in today's PAC that'd get the job done. It's done Oregon well enough in recent years...

I think that is true, but I do think his defense would be a tad better at USC because of the caliber of athletes they can pull compared to Oregon. That said, even when USC was winning championships with Carroll, their defense was suspect at times.

 

[AKAK]

The 2012 and 2013 USC recruiting ranking are artificially depressed because of the low class size (sanctions). USC has been near the very top of the heap in recruiting the best talent around for a long, long time ... unlike Nike U. And there's enough talent there right now such that the right coach could (maybe even should) have them in the playoffs.

If I were USC, I'd be putting out feelers to any coach I wanted, not excluding Saban and Meyer. Might they say FU? Sure, but what if Saban just happens to think beach life is the [Mark May]? You'd hate to not make that call.

My serious money for the next Trojan coach would be on guys like Chip Kelly, Jim Harbaugh (yes, really), Gary Patterson and Mark Dantonio. I don't think USC needs to aim any lower, at least initially.

well... my point isn't so much that they shouldn't be calling whoever they want... my point was that Kelly wasn't operating with the keystone cops in Eugene... then further illustrating that the gap in talent probably really isnt that big. I concede the sanctions point, but, what they did get, in some way shape or form is still there... but, really and I should have said it explicitly, is really the difference between say... 13th and 5th is a couple guys on the top of the 8th class vs a couple guys on the bottom of the 13th class... (and for say, 2011 - the only one I looked at - because I just typed 5 and 13... its just the difference in number of guys, Oregon's "star average" was actually higher)

But yes, they can call whoever they want. But, back to NF's point, its a culture question too... both for USC itself, LA, and well, you have to work for Pat Haden who just fired a dude before letting him know before hand... its kind of a freak show. I mean, Oregon sent out personalized jersey's to random famous people so they'd have more famous fans before the Rose Bowl last year. You've got Uncle Phil to deal with but, that's not quite like... L.A.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

I would love to see Chip at USC. That name brand with his coaching. It would be nuts with the talent pool they have locally.

Why? That fanbase rivals Texas for smug over-the-top arrogance when they're winning. Why on earth would you want to see them succeed? And throw in Ohio State's futility against them since the late 70s and fuck them. I'm stayin, Dude. Enjoyin' my trainwreck.

 

[kujirakira]

The 2012 and 2013 USC recruiting ranking are artificially depressed because of the low class size (sanctions). USC has been near the very top of the heap in recruiting the best talent around for a long, long time ... unlike Nike U. And there's enough talent there right now such that the right coach could (maybe even should) have them in the playoffs.

If I were USC, I'd be putting out feelers to any coach I wanted, not excluding Saban and Meyer. Might they say FU? Sure, but what if Saban just happens to think beach life is the [Mark May]? You'd hate to not make that call.

My serious money for the next Trojan coach would be on guys like Chip Kelly, Jim Harbaugh (yes, really), Gary Patterson and Mark Dantonio. I don't think USC needs to aim any lower, at least initially.

That one is interesting. Always pegged him to go back to NFL, but Cali is more his place too. He has connections out there and seems he'd much prefer it.
Hard to imagine him leaving scUM so soon ... but the meltdown would be epic.