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Urban F. Meyer (Former OSU, CFB and NFL coach)

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jwinslow said:
2) It's extremely relevant, because he's not an option for this program or almost anyone else (other than LSU briefly). He wasn't even really an option for MSU, because that version of Saban looked nothing like this one.
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I'm not calling for Urban's head and wanting to replace him with Saban. Actually, I prefer Urban's demeanor when dealing with the press. My point is that even Urban can maybe take at look at just why Saban's teams (at least at Alabama) never get blown out, period, let alone to team they should stomp a mud hole into. Whatever it is, his teams never go into games thinking they can win just because they're Alabama and that they never run into the "unexpected".
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
I'm not calling for Urban's head and wanting to replace him with Saban. Actually, I prefer Urban's demeanor when dealing with the press. My point is that even Urban can maybe take at look at just why Saban's teams (at least at Alabama) never get blown out, period, let alone to team they should stomp a mud hole into. Whatever it is, his teams never go into games thinking they can win just because they're Alabama and that they never run into the "unexpected".
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Yes, he and the other 119 D1 coaches should just do what Saban does. Dibs on being the one who gets to tell Urban! :biggrin:
 
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RugbyBuck said:
My problem is that while we can likely get it together and win the conference, we will get our ass handed to us in the playoff if we get there and we can't just continue to take national tv beat-downs and continue our recruiting success. The problem is that this team, including this iteration of the coaching staff, doesn't belong there. It's soft, undisciplined, and insistent that it not make the changes that were/are obviously needed. It's not injuries and it's not a lack of athletic ability (although we seem to insist on placing players in positions for which they're ill-suited). It's coaching and it's not just this year.
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This speaks to something that's been gnawing at me also. Last year, there was almost a palpable sense of relief that we didn't make the playoffs and were handed a winnable big six bowl game against a blueblood. This year, it's looking like more of the same. Let's avoid the playoffs, so we don't get embarrassed. That's not a good place to be. The program should always want to make the playoffs because it believes that it will have a decent chance to win once there, not run off to a winnable bowl game out of fear of being blown out. I wonder whether, a few years down the road, whether that loss to Clemson will be seen as some kind of turning point--and not in a good way--for the program. Those moments in time aren't easy to see at the time but often become clearer the further out you get from them.
 
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ORD_Buckeye said:
Gene didn't make bad coaching hire after bad coaching hire. It wasn't Gene's gameplans that have seen three embarrassing beatdowns in three years. I don't disagree with you that there isn't a better coach out there than Meyer. I do disagree that getting rid of the AD will somehow solve problems within the football program.
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When I say "fix the problem", I am not referring to the football game plans, I am referring to the article reporting tension between Urban and Smith. Get rid of Gene and there is no more tension between Urban and Gene.

Sure, we have shit the bed in three games, maybe more, but no other coach is going to have a better record than Urban has had and I trust he will continue to succeed at a higher level than anyone else not named Saban.

Gene on the other hand, will not be missed one single bit.
 
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LordJeffBuck said:
Don't try to make it seem like Tressel signed a bunch of no-name Ohio kids and turned them into perennial national championship contenders.

1. From 2001 to 2011, Tressel signed 222 recruits. 134 of those recruits (60.4%) were from Ohio. 88 of those recruits (39.6%) were from eighteen other states and the province of Ontario. That's not "a bunch of Ohio boys." That's a pretty fair mix of in-state and out-of-state players.

Meyer's recruiting is almost exactly the reverse, with 66 of 171 signees (38.6%) from Ohio, and 105 of 171 signees (61.4%) from out-of-state.

2. Here's a list of the states where Tressel signed players: Ohio (134); Florida (24); Pennsylvania (14); Georgia (8); Michigan (6); Indiana (5); Illinois (4); California (4); Maryland (4); Texas (3); New Jersey (2); North Carolina (2); Virginia (2); Kentucky (2); Minnesota (2); New York (1); Louisiana (1); Missouri (1); South Carolina (1); West Virginia (1); Ontario (1).

3. Although there were undoubtedly a lot of great "Ohio boys" on his teams, many of Tressel's best signees were from out of state: James Laurinaitis (Minnesota); Malcolm Jenkins (New Jersey); Terrelle Pryor (Pennsylvania); Cameron Heyward (Georgia); Bradley Roby (Georgia); Santonio Holmes (Florida); Chris Gamble (Florida); Ryan Shazier (Florida); Chimdi Chekwa (Florida); Nate Salley (Florida); Brian Rolle (Florida); Vernon Gholston (Michigan); Ashton Youboty (Texas); and Doug Worthington (New York).

4. And of course, Tressel probably doesn't win an NC in 2002 without those out-of-state kids signed by John Cooper: Craig Krenzel (Michigan); Will Smith (New York); Shane Olivea (New York); Michael Jenkins (Florida); and Darrion Scott (West Virginia).

5. Everybody's recruiting classes are "a majority of 3/4 stars". Last year, Georgia signed one of the most insane recruiting classes ever: seven were 5-stars and nineteen were 3/4 stars.

In eleven classes, Tressel signed fourteen 5-star prospects (according to Rivals). Meyer has signed sixteen 5-star prospects in seven classes. In terms of percentage, that's 9.4% for Meyer (16/171) and 6.3 % for Tressel (14/222). Not a huge difference.
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Define "bunch" for me please. 60% to me is a "bunch" of the team. I appreciate the time you took, but I am aware of JT's pipelines (most notably Florida) and the makeup of the '02 team from Cooper. "And of course, Tressel probably doesn't win an NC in 2002 without those out-of-state kids" you know who he absolutely doesn't win one without? MoC. So wtf are we even talking about with the bullet points you posted? I am not going to go point by point. We agree more than you think and you've taken some exception to the term "bunch of Ohio boys" - something we all used to take pride in around here: we are coaching our talent up, we aren't over-signing, we are keeping the kids in state that used to go to Llyod before Tress, etc.

My point in saying 'not bad for a bunch of Ohio boys and 3/4 stars' is when your comparing the records of Jim Tressel side by side Urban (I think I posted from 2005 on in my example) I see a coach (in Tressel) getting more from less talent. Maybe it can be simplified into this: Would you agree that Urban Meyer has had much better rated classes than Jim Tressel? Now, looking at Tressel's record can you see why I said "not so bad for..."
 
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ORD_Buckeye said:
Scew that. He fucked up with his nepotism in bringing Zack Smith to Columbus and then keeping him on staff, and it blew up in the university's face. I don't think he deserved to be fired, but he deserved to be punished. If his ego is too big to deal with that, then good riddance. Let him do the health problem shuffle out of town.
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We’ve been down this road before, but anyway to :horse: a little more. The University was their own worst enemy in how they handled it. Major incompetence in doing anything to manage the narrative. Smith had as much blame if not more than Meyer and has had none of the backlash.

I would hope none of us ever face that level of social media hypocrisy and workplace leadership dysfunction.

Now we have more baseless media articles apparently going in for the kill. I for one hope Meyer can find the strength, courage, and support he needs to fix the problems and continue leading the Buckeyes.
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks said:
Well I, for one, am very happy that there's no game this weekend to distract from imagining all the ways Urban should be packing his bags. What could be better than 2 weeks of this?
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Well, I mean obviously they would be packed neatly. Does he seem like the kind of guy that would shove his clothes into a suitcase without folding them properly? I would expect suits and dress shirts to be in a garment bag. I suppose you could get away with not putting the dress shirts in the garment bag, but then he would definitely need to iron them before he could wear them again and who has time for that nonsense? Of course, he's got enough cash that he could probably have them pressed at the dry cleaners, so maybe the suitcase is fine? Or maybe he will just pay professional movers to deal with everything, but who wants strangers going through their closets? Especially with all the skeletons he obviously has in his.

Man, so many pressing questions!
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
I'm not calling for Urban's head and wanting to replace him with Saban. Actually, I prefer Urban's demeanor when dealing with the press. My point is that even Urban can maybe take at look at just why Saban's teams (at least at Alabama) never get blown out, period, let alone to team they should stomp a mud hole into. Whatever it is, his teams never go into games thinking they can win just because they're Alabama and that they never run into the "unexpected".
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With the exception of a couple of games, one being 2014 vs OSU LOL. They thought they were going to grace the field with their presence and Urban stomped a mudhole in Nick's ass.
 
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Hstead said:
When I say "fix the problem", I am not referring to the football game plans, I am referring to the article reporting tension between Urban and Smith. Get rid of Gene and there is no more tension between Urban and Gene.

Sure, we have shit the bed in three games, maybe more, but no other coach is going to have a better record than Urban has had and I trust he will continue to succeed at a higher level than anyone else not named Saban.

Gene on the other hand, will not be missed one single bit.
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Throw Drake out with him and that might do the trick.

For all the talk of "Meyer should go", I have yet to see any names forwarded as a possible replacement, other than Day, who I think is being exposed more every day.

Seriously, what coach would look at this and say they'd want it? All they have to do is remember the saying "Coaching at Ohio State never ends well" and do a little research. Nobody wants a job where the administration doesn't have your back, which is exactly the case.

Meyer is one of the finest coaches who ever coached. Do you think any coach, be it an up-and-comer or a veteran, would be crazy enough to leave the relative security of their present job to step into a rat's nest like this........never mind the size of the shoes they'd have to fill?

Okay, I'm off my soapbox. Thanks for the ear, guys. :oh:
 
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