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ttun Shenanigans, Arguments, and Emasculated Cucks (2019 thread)

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Of course, the thing they are missing is something that they can't ever wrap their heads around because it's fundamental to who they are. The reason Chardonnay won't ever be Zeke or Barkley, for that matter, has less to do with his talent and a lot more to do with the fact that he's not going to get strong coaching (remember who their RB coach is, although, that's not specific to my point here) there. Zeke and Barkley wouldn't have been Zeke and Barkley if they went to scUM. More likely they would have been Derek Green. Lazy. Entitled. The belief that being a Michigan Wolverine, alone, makes you a winner. Your work has finished as soon as you put on the ridiculous helmet.

I've said it before and I say it again; that which makes Michigan appealing to a player is fundamentally and critically different than what Ohio State is looking for in a player. Sure, there's some crossover... take DPJ, for example... if he wanted to compete and would strangle a guy over a game a checkers, he'd be a Buckeye. Instead, he took the route of least resistance. He'll go to the league, and he may even do very well there, but these 3 years in college... meh... it's a nice little break from having to work hard.
Nailed it.

What those clowns have been lacking over the last 15 years (15 YEARS!!!) more than anything, is coaching. Look at their current staff. @Buckeye86 laid it out a week or two ago. They have a dime store coaching staff right now stocked with nepotism and guys hired away from high schools to lure recruits. Look up and down that staff and point one guy to me that you think a school like Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, etc. would hire. I don't see one...maybe Zordich...maybe. Josh Gattis, a coach Saban made no effort to elevate to OC when Locksley left, or even try to retain at all was their supposed savior. That's gone...poorly. Not one of those clowns will be a future head coach. I said after looking at that list that Day identified the two good coaches on Harbrau's staff and poached them.

On the flipside, look at Ryan Day's staff. Loaded with guys who are either well established as excellent assistant coaches (Wilson, LJ Sr., Mattison, Stud, Yurcich) or hotshot, young up-and-comers (Washington, Hartline, Hafley).

Lets compare:

Offensive Coordinator
Kevin Wilson/Mike Yurcich vs. Josh Gattis
Not even a contest. Wilson coordinated record-setting offenses at OU and actually cobbled together dangerous offenses at Indiana with 2 and 3 star recruits. He's in his third year coordinating a dynamic offense at tOSU. Yurcich coordinated explosive Okie State offenses and developed a few outstanding college QBs. Fields has been nearly lights out this year. Gattis is/was all hype. Received praise as a WR coach at Ped Aggy, then "co-coordinated" an outstanding bammer offense last year. This year he's overseeing a molten sludge-fart, making it more and more apparent Lockley was the real talent.

Defensive Coordinator
Jeff Hafley/Greg Mattison vs. Don Brown
Edge: tOSU. Greg Mattison has a long decorated carer as a DC and DL coach. He worked a miracle in 2011 when he assumed control of a defense that ahd been the worst in scUM history and made them a top-20 unit his first year. Same thing is happening in Columbus this year. Hafley is an energetic, young DC who is getting all kinds of praise for his coaching and recruiting. Don Brown may be their best assistant coach, but he has a well established trend of beating up on teams with inferior talent and/or predictable schemes. When opponents match them talent-wise, or throw a wrinkle at them, they get gashed. The fucking guy couldn't adapt to crossing routes in the Game last year. It worked time after time after time. Zero adjustments.

Quarterbacks
Mike Yurcich vs. Ben McDaniels
Edge: tOSU. Yurcich was in Stillwater from 2013-2018 and each year they had anywhere from really good to excellent QB play. Not one of them were highly recruited kids and he got Mason Rudolph to the NFL. Early returns on Justin Fields are outstanding. I don't even know who Ben McDaniels is. He's hopped from job-to-job on a near yearly basis since 2009. His only two year stint was as an Offensive Analyst on two bad Chicago Bears offenses in 2016-17. Not even close.

Running Backs
Tony Alford vs. Jay Harbrau
Edge: Come on. :slappy:

Wide receivers
Brian Hartline vs. None listed (assume Gattis)
Edge: tOSU. Brian Hartline in just his second years is turning into one of the country's best recruiters and our WRs have played at a very high level. WR has arguably been a position of strength for tsun, but how the hell could you tell for sure when their QB can't consistently get them the ball outside of arm punts. tOSU's WRs block like MF'ers, no idea if scUM's do, because their offense is so noodle-dicked they rarely are moving the ball downfield enough to necessitate their WRs blocking.

Tight Ends
Kevin Wilson vs. Sherrone Moore
Edge: tOSU. TEs haven't been a big part of the Buckeye offense for a long time, but when they're called on, they're effective. I don't know who the hell a Sherrone Moore is. Looks like they poached him from CMU. And it seems like their TEs have been dropping a lot of passes the past two years.

Offensive Line
Greg Studrawa vs. Ed Warriner
I'll call this a wash. Main reason being that the OL has been up and down during Studrawa's tenure. And Warriner doesn't exactly have a sparkling resume since 2014. Both of them have been in charge of some outstanding OLs that often seem to coincide with being aligned to a brilliant OC. I always say it's much easier for an OL to look like beasts when they're blocking for a dynamic offense and skilled playcaller.

Defensive Line
Larry Johnson, Sr. vs. Shaun Nua
Edge: tOSU. LJ, Sr. is a legendary DL coach. I don't know who the fuck Shaun Nua is. Looks like he spent several years as the Navy DL coach and last year in the same position at Arizona State. hat's an...underwhelming...resume, to be kind.

Linebackers
Al Washington vs. Anthony Campanile
Edge tOSU. Washington was one of scUM's best assistants. Day cucked harbrau and brought him onboard. The difference between last year and this year's LBs is night and day. I don't know who Anthony Campanile is. He was an offensive assistant at Rutgers from 2013-15 before switching over to defense when he went to Boston College to coach DBs. This is his first time coaching LBs since 2006 at Fairlawn HS in New Jersey.

Defensive Backs
Jeff Hafley vs. Mike Zordich
This might be the one area that is reasonably close, but I'd still take Hafley over Zordich. Our DBs have been lights out this year. scUM's secondary is usually pretty solid which leads me to believe Zordich might actually be competent at his job.

All of that that I just typed out is reason 1a for the gulf between these two programs. 1b is recruiting. We are slaughtering them in recruiting. I don't care what the rankings say when they've had classes consistently larger than ours. Look at the average rating per recruit. It's not close, and it isn't getting closer.
 
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1 carry for -9 yards. 9 receptions for 93 yards and 1 TD. That'd be a workmanlike stat line for a game from Parris Campbell or KJ Hill under Urban.

That line is DPJ's entire 2019 season so far.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/michigan/2019.html

If you're a five star WR that wants to get to the league, why would you go there?
 
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I clicked on Dryden's link and I saw that "Thicc Curtis Samuel" is their highest rated passer. :slappy:

I was shocked, SHOCKED, I say, to see that he has no other scrimmage yards in his 2 year career. You may recall Samuel started his first game as a collegian, ran 58 times for 383 yards and six touchdowns to go along with 11 receptions for 95 receiving yards as a freshman, alone.
 
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You are mistaken. Samuels was booted from the team in December for domestic violence: LINK

Evans is nothing special, even if he is still with the team. Last season, he had 81 carries for 423 yards (5.1 average) and 4 TDs.

The next in line is Tru Wilson, who had 62 carries for 364 yards (5.9 average) and one TD.

Both Evans and Wilson will be seniors in 2019. After they go, there is literally no one except for Zach Charbonnet.

After the 2019 season, scUM will lose QB Shea Patterson, RB Chris Evans, RB Tru Wilson, OL Jon Runyan, OL Ben Bredeson, OL Michael Onwenu, TE Nick Eubanks, TE Sean McKeon, and possibly WRs Donovan Peoples-Jones, Tarik Black, and Nico Collins as early entries into the NFL Draft. Let's just say that Harbaugh will be under a lot of pressure to win big in 2019, and if he doesn't the cupboard will be pretty darned bare for 2020.
This is worth bumping for the last sentence. After this season, there will be A LOT of turnover. Some may say that that isn't necessarily a bad thing given how...meh...their offense has been. But, this will still be the same staff that "developed" those players; and their WR corps, even if they haven't exactly been productive, is likely their most talented position group. If DPJ/Black/Collins come back, they're either fucking stupid, or just really enjoying their country club surroundings. Odds are they go get paid to be unproductive.
 
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This is worth bumping for the last sentence. After this season, there will be A LOT of turnover. Some may say that that isn't necessarily a bad thing given how...meh...their offense has been. But, this will still be the same staff that "developed" those players; and their WR corps, even if they haven't exactly been productive, is likely their most talented position group. If DPJ/Black/Collins come back, they're either fucking stupid, or just really enjoying their country club surroundings. Odds are they go get paid to be unproductive.

I wonder of Hairball jumps ship after this season. They are in line for a real decline next season. The defense especially will lose 6 starters from a already thinn group. That Indiana-esque 2018 class is going to have to make contributions. Not a good thing to have to rely on.
 
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This is worth bumping for the last sentence. After this season, there will be A LOT of turnover. Some may say that that isn't necessarily a bad thing given how...meh...their offense has been. But, this will still be the same staff that "developed" those players; and their WR corps, even if they haven't exactly been productive, is likely their most talented position group. If DPJ/Black/Collins come back, they're either fucking stupid, or just really enjoying their country club surroundings. Odds are they go get paid to be unproductive.

And since their offense is hot garbage they can't pull away from anybody to even manufacture a little quality depth for next year with some 4th quarter live reps.

I just look at those statistics and it's inconceivable DPJ is averaging two touches a game on plays from scrimmage. TWO! DPJ has to touch the ball more than two times per 65-70 snaps.
 
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I wonder of Hairball jumps ship after this season. They are in line for a real decline next season. The defense especially will lose 6 starters from a already thinn group. That Indiana-esque 2018 class is going to have to make contributions. Not a good thing to have to rely on.
I don't think Harbrau goes anywhere...yet. But, after another 8-5 type season in 2020, I wouldn't be shocked if he's encouraged to explore NFL opportunities.

Don't forget, it was openly stated in the press that their AD is just fine with where they are right now as long as the $$ are coming in. The DFBIA won't stop supporting them...yet. If you start hearing about them giving away tickets with the purchase of 20 oz Cokes like in 2014, then he might be shitcanned. As it stands, i don't think this AD is going to fire Simple Jim. Whether they "let" him explore NFL opportunities in the near future is another discussion. Somebody in the NFL will hire him based on his 2011-13 run in SF. And he'd probably be successful for 3 years before it all falls apart like it always does with him.
 
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I don't think Harbrau goes anywhere...yet. But, after another 8-5 type season in 2020, I wouldn't be shocked if he's encouraged to explore NFL opportunities.

Don't forget, it was openly stated in the press that their AD is just fine with where they are right now as long as the $$ are coming in. The DFBIA won't stop supporting them...yet. If you start hearing about them giving away tickets with the purchase of 20 oz Cokes like in 2014, then he might be shitcanned. As it stands, i don't think this AD is going to fire Simple Jim. Whether they "let" him explore NFL opportunities in the near future is another discussion. Somebody in the NFL will hire him based on his 2011-13 run in SF. And he'd probably be successful for 3 years before it all falls apart like it always does with him.

Oh yea, the NFL is good at the whole recycling meh coaches thing.

Looking at their schedule next year, with what they lose and what they replace it with, 5 loss seems way more likely than not. The player development of the 4 and 5 star players has been mostly garbage. imagine what the team is going to look like when all those 3* Harbrau specials have to actually take the field for significant time. Unless they pull some kind of miracle out of their ass 2020 is the real start of the major trainwreck.
 
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And since their offense is hot garbage they can't pull away from anybody to even manufacture a little quality depth for next year with some 4th quarter live reps.

I just look at those statistics and it's inconceivable DPJ is averaging two touches a game on plays from scrimmage. TWO! DPJ has to touch the ball more than two times per 65-70 snaps.
You would think. But, truly, their only effective play to this point is having Collins run downfield and chcking it in his general direction. Patterson is just a terrible QB. And the best part is that the DFBIA is bewildered that he isn't lighting up the B1G. I keep seeing them (and the media) trying to paint him as some great QB at mississippi. Lets look at the numbers:

In 2016, his true frosh season, he completed 54.5% of his 132 passes in 3 games, for 880 yards (6.7 y/a), 6 TD and 3 INT for a 121.0 QBR. His three oppnents: mediocre aTm, Vandy and Miss St. He was an okay runner in those 3 games, logging 169 yards on 41 attempts (4.1 ypr).

In 2017, as a SO, he completed 63.8% of his 260 attempts, for 2259 yards (8.7 y/a), 17 TD and 9 INT for a 151.5 QBR across 7 games. 9 INT in 7 games is a little alarming, but the rest of the numbers look pretty good, yes? Well, 1632 yards, 15 TD, 4 INT of that was logged in a 4 game stretch against such powerhouses as South Alabama (429, 4/0), Tennessee Martin (489, 5/1), 5-7 California (363, 2/3) and 5-7 Vandy (351, 4/0). In the other 3 games against Alabama, Auburn and LSU, he completed 56.3% of his 103 passes for 627 yards (6.1 y/a), 2 TD and 5 INT.

It's obvious that most QBs play better against the stiffs and probably drop off a bit against the better teams on their scheduled. But he fell off a cliff against any decent teams he played. He also was supposed to be pretty good with his legs and showed flashes of that as a frosh, but by year two, he totalled -16 yards rushing on 47 attempts, including 17 attempts for -28 yards against the 3 good teams he played.

As usual, the DFBIA just listened to the idiot media and didn't bother to do any homework on their new savior. BP pointed all of the above out when the hype began, and guess how his career has played out...
 
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