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Transgendered decathlete (formerly known as Bruce) Caitlyn Jenner

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jwinslow said:
My main objection was to the movement that gender is unknown or at least debatable and that entering the school system. I probably worded that poorly in my last line. I think that as people they need to be supported and protected but how do you avoid causing issues in the opposite direction while doing so? I don't envy the already difficult task of employment as an educator (or administrator).

I think it would be much better to save that for adulthood but I do not think that's going to be possible.
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I think children act out in various ways, both harmful and harmless. I would consider young people with gender identity concerns (manufactured or otherwise) to be of the latter sort. I think the key is not to overreact to those young people and allow them to sort out their identity issues when they are more mature enough to determine why/how they feel that way.

I wouldn't educate them that's ok or not ok. Probably best to say it's an issue for adults.

Kids will constantly explore issues of their sexuality at a young age. Very rarely will you find a school-age person who is developed enough mentally to fully understand the implications of their feelings.
 
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OH10 said:
I think your concerns are highly unfounded. Most people (even liberals!) understand the stark differences between pedophiles and people who are decidedly not pedophiles.
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I wish I could find the article I read about a week or so ago stating that one of the three initial proponents (all three were doctors, IIRC) of transgenderism decades ago was not only a pedophile but believed "there are no limitations to human sexual behavior." The three were supposedly the ones that were involved in the first instance of actual transgender surgery. If I find it I will definitely post it.
 
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Apparently there is some agreement that Gender Dysphoria is a diagnosable mental disorder. If that is the case, I find it ethically questionable, at the very least, that lopping off body parts is an acceptable treatment for a mental disorder. I mean, there are mental disorders where people want their legs lopped off for sexual identity/feelings/reasons/etc, and that would be an illegal and a completely unethical procedure for a physician to perform. Why is this different?
 
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Saw31 said:
Apparently there is some agreement that Gender Dysphoria is a diagnosable mental disorder. If that is the case, I find it ethically questionable, at the very least, that lopping off body parts is an acceptable treatment for a mental disorder. I mean, there are mental disorders where people want their legs lopped off for sexual identity/feelings/reasons/etc, and that would be an illegal and a completely unethical procedure for a physician to perform. Why is this different?
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Yes, that is the problem I have with all this, too.

Making the decision to change your sex is a huge, life-changing decision. Like all other decisions of that sort - to get married, to have kids, to become a priest, to become a police officer or a teacher or doctor, etc., some people choose wisely and make the right decision for the right reasons, and some don't.

It's possible that Caitlyn J is doing the right thing for the right reasons; it's possible she's making a foolish, irreversible choice for all the wrong reasons. It's possible she's finally figured herself out and is making a liberating decision from a position of strong mental health. It's possible she's doing it because she's terribly mentally and emotionally disturbed and is desperately seeking some way to feel better - but has misidentified the problem.

How can I know? With big money being thrown around, I don't trust that her doctors have made sure she's been thoroughly counseled and her mental state has been tested, etc. I mean, we can see what Hollywood docs are willing to do by looking at the plastic surgery done on celebs.

So, I wish her the best, but I have no idea if she's made a courageous decision or a crazy one. Time will tell.
 
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OH10 said:
Michigan only has 4000 children looking for good homes and he just made it more difficult for those kids. Seems like a solid decision by someone from Michigan.
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One of my lesbian friends is a full Colonel in the Air Force, a command B-2 pilot, and the commander of a bomb wing. She is married to a female pro cyclist and they have to two young daughters (about three and one years old), both birthed by her via artificial insemination. They are solid, caring parents and their daughters appear to be healthy, intelligent, well-adjusted young girls. I'll admit that I was skeptical about same-sex couple adopting/raising kids as recently as about five years ago, but no more. I'm not sold on transgender parents, though...
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
One of my lesbian friends is a full Colonel in the Air Force, a command B-2 pilot, and the commander of a bomb wing. She is married to a female pro cyclist and they have to two young daughters (about three and one years old), both birthed by her via artificial insemination. They are solid, caring parents and their daughters appear to be healthy, intelligent, well-adjusted young girls. I'll admit that I was skeptical about same-sex couple adopting/raising kids as recently as about five years ago, but no more. I'm not sold on transgender parents, though...
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Is she a lesbian female ninja?
 
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