tOSU's BCS Bowl possibilities

[scarletngray]

Does anyone know when the Fiesta, Sugar and Capitol One Bowls are being played? Greenie for the first one to provide info.

:osu:

 

[mross34]

Does anyone know when the Fiesta, Sugar and Capitol One Bowls are being played? Greenie for the first one to provide info.

:osu:

Capital 1 - Jan 1st
Sugar - Jan 2nd
Fiesta - Jan 5th

 

[muffler dragon]

You make some good points, but I have a different perspective that you may want to consider.

The PAC10 is in a real down year and are the #6 conference in the power ratings, just ahead of the Mountain West. Let's be frank. Neither conference is much good this year, with the exception of a couple of teams and the MW guys played far weaker schedules.

I just looked to see who MW teams beat in the PAC10. I see five wins, so maybe I am missing one? Doesn't matter, BYU beat Washington (0-10) and UCLA (4-6), New Mexico beat Arizona (6-4), TCU beat Stanford (5-6), Utah beat Oregon State (7-3). So, one quality win in the bunch? Not much for bragging rights, is it?

UNLV beat Arizona State (23-20 OT)

Thank you for the data, Steve. You are correct that both conferences are down; however, the statement was made:

If you put those teams in major conference such as the big 12, sec, and the big 10 and they wouldn't be where they are now and the only reason they are where they are at now is because of schedule.

The MWAC has owned the PAC-10 (a major conference) this year. It's just a matter of fact. I don't debate the level of talent that trends towards the major conferences. I'm just stating that that is not the only factor in a team's success. Furthermore, when fallacious arguments are brought up, I have to request some sort of substantiation other than vacuous pontification.

On the other hand, look at their power ratings and SOS, which I summarized earlier.

The MW really doesn't have much of a case to make.

Maybe I presented it poorly, but I was not battling from that POV. I'm coming from the side stated above. Nothing more.

 

[muffler dragon]

O RLY?

 

[Steve19]

UNLV beat Arizona State (23-20 OT)

Thank you for the data, Steve. You are correct that both conferences are down; however, the statement was made:

I guess you guys may agree then because Elephant didn't include the PAC10 as a major conference...



Paging methomps, disrespect in Aisle 3. Mr methomps, we need a PAC10 disrespect clean-up in Aisle 3...

 

[Steve19]

Guys, let's all remember to "play the ball, not the man". One of the things that makes BP a great place is the level of respect that we have for each other.

Play ball...

 

[Zem]

The MWAC has owned the PAC-10 (a major conference) this year. It's just a matter of fact. I don't debate the level of talent that trends towards the major conferences. I'm just stating that that is not the only factor in a team's success. Furthermore, when fallacious arguments are brought up, I have to request some sort of substantiation other than vacuous pontification.

It's true they had great success against the Pac10. But I think the thin air of the Rockies probably played a role. The only one of those six victories for the MW at a Pac10 school was UNLV over ASU, while Cal bludgeoned CSU in Berkeley. I think 6-1 against the Pac10 is impressive mainly because of Utah's win over oOSU and UNLV's win. New Mex's win gets honorable mention. And it's worth mentioning that MAC teams never host Big10 teams, except maybe Indiana, and like I said earlier the MAC's succes against the Big10 was similar to the MWC vs PAC10.

But I'm skeptical that either Utah or Ball St would be competitive in the Fiesta or Sugar. I think they deserve a shot to play in such a bowl, but I'd personally rather see one of them play a weaker conference champion as they would in the Orange. BCS blowouts have been too common.

As long as we're taking inventory, here are some other OOC results (fwiw)..
Navy 33 at Air Force 27
Air Force 16 at Army 7
Colorado 38 Colo. St 17
Oklahoma 35 TCU 10
BYU 41 Northern Iowa 17
Bowling Green 45 at Wyoming 16
Wyoming 21 Ohio 20
Wyoming 13 at Tennessee 7

It would be nice to have more MAC vs MWC games to look at. Wyoming was one of the worst teams in that conference.

 

[alpo]

You gotta think that if 'Quizz is unable to go for Oregon State, that increases the chances for the Ducks...which increases our chances for a $4.5MM game and a shot at some meaningful redemption.

 

[muffler dragon]

I guess you guys may agree then because Elephant didn't include the PAC10 as a major conference...



Paging methomps, disrespect in Aisle 3. Mr methomps, we need a PAC10 disrespect clean-up in Aisle 3...

Hey now. I said the Pac 10 IS a major conference. Don't be throwing me under the methomps bus.

 

[muffler dragon]

It's true they had great success against the Pac10. But I think the thin air of the Rockies probably played a role. The only one of those six victories for the MW at a Pac10 school was UNLV over ASU, while Cal bludgeoned CSU in Berkeley. I think 6-1 against the Pac10 is impressive mainly because of Utah's win over oOSU and UNLV's win. New Mex's win gets honorable mention. And it's worth mentioning that MAC teams never host Big10 teams, except maybe Indiana, and like I said earlier the MAC's succes against the Big10 was similar to the MWC vs PAC10.

I guess that I would not equate the MAC to the MWAC (and I'm a MAC alum). Another point for another time.

But I'm skeptical that either Utah or Ball St would be competitive in the Fiesta or Sugar. I think they deserve a shot to play in such a bowl, but I'd personally rather see one of them play a weaker conference champion as they would in the Orange. BCS blowouts have been too common.

As long as we're taking inventory, here are some other OOC results (fwiw)..
Navy 33 at Air Force 27
Air Force 16 at Army 7
Colorado 38 Colo. St 17
Oklahoma 35 TCU 10
BYU 41 Northern Iowa 17
Bowling Green 45 at Wyoming 16
Wyoming 21 Ohio 20
Wyoming 13 at Tennessee 7

It would be nice to have more MAC vs MWC games to look at. Wyoming was one of the worst teams in that conference.

We're definitely discussing an insufficiently data-laced topic. I have attempted to re-iterate the point I was trying to make beforehand. I'll just agree to disagree, and be done with it.

 

[muffler dragon]

You gotta think that if 'Quizz is unable to go for Oregon State, that increases the chances for the Ducks...which increases our chances for a $4.5MM game and a shot at some meaningful redemption.

Indeed. Actually, there are a couple variables that come into play from the Beaver side of the game:

1) Quarterback. There's been no determination as of yet (that I'm aware of) whether Lyle or Canfield are starting. Both have strengths that the other does not have. However, I will state that if Lyle is playing; then I think the Beavers chances of winning increase.
2) The cupboard is not entirely bare without Quizz (even though he is integral). His brother carries the ball from outside the backfield. There is also McCants who is a bruiser. If he has a game; then it helps.

As I heard yesterday on the radio, you're looking at two teams that approach the game in opposite ways. The Beavers look to run to open up the passing game whereas the Ducks look to pass to open up the run. The Ducks interest in running really plays away from the strength of the Beavers D. The Beavers are very good at run D even with such a young unit. The defensive backs for the Ducks had three Thorpe candidates at the beginning of the year. Thus, the pass D for the Ducks is better than the run. Very interesting how these two teams are going to play against each other when it comes to run and pass defenses.

 

[alpo]

Indeed. Actually, there are a couple variables that come into play from the Beaver side of the game:

1) Quarterback. There's been no determination as of yet (that I'm aware of) whether Lyle or Canfield are starting. Both have strengths that the other does not have. However, I will state that if Lyle is playing; then I think the Beavers chances of winning increase.
2) The cupboard is not entirely bare without Quizz (even though he is integral). His brother carries the ball from outside the backfield. There is also McCants who is a bruiser. If he has a game; then it helps.

As I heard yesterday on the radio, you're looking at two teams that approach the game in opposite ways. The Beavers look to run to open up the passing game whereas the Ducks look to pass to open up the run. The Ducks interest in running really plays away from the strength of the Beavers D. The Beavers are very good at run D even with such a young unit. The defensive backs for the Ducks had three Thorpe candidates at the beginning of the year. Thus, the pass D for the Ducks is better than the run. Very interesting how these two teams are going to play against each other when it comes to run and pass defenses.

Agree about the matchups defensively. And all I've been able to hear on LA radio about the game is that Canfield will start. True? It may even come down to the kicking game...especially punting.

 

[fourteenandoh]

Capital 1 - Jan 1st
Sugar - Jan 2nd
Fiesta - Jan 5th

for traveling/work's sake, i hope we get Cap1

 

[NateG]

The Sugar is still a possibility, the opponent probably being the Bama-Florida loser.

That could happen if Oregon beats Oregon State, putting USC in the Rose, and if the Fiesta picks an undefeated, nearby Utah team to face the Big 12 rep, which could be either Texas or Oklahoma.

To summarize: If Oregon State wins, tOSU goes to the Capital One, most likely against Georgia.

If Oregon State loses to Oregon, tOSU would probably face either Texas or Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl, but a Sugar Bowl agasinst the Bama-Florida loser is a possibility.

There is still a crazy situation that would put OSU in the Rose....

UF loses to FSU or Aub beat Ala (whoever loses prev week to lose 2 times straight, including SEC title loss)
Ok St over OKLA
Mizz over B12 South winner
USC loses to UCLA
Baylor over TTU(shocker)
T A&M over TEX(shocker)
could only need 4 of these occur for PSU to go the Title game and 3-4 are forseeable considering last year and previous upsets this year

if the upsets happened similar to last year PSU could get the votes to push them in with 4 of the above happening

either way i think the bucks could get a good matchup in their bowl and can be successful especially with the pressure off.

 

[ArtilleryBuck]

I don't want the Rose Bowl this year. I don't think it would mean as much for us as a win over an SEC team. I want a Win over an SEC team...any SEC team, but hopefully a team like Georgia.