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Game Thread tOSU vs. Sparty, B1G Championship Game, Sat 8 ET on FOX

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Just saw this over on 11w. Just adds to the confusion, so if your head hurts do not read:

The drive where the Buckeyes took the 24-17 lead was the last time in the entire game Carlos Hyde touched the ball on first down.

The last four times Hyde had the ball, this was the game situation: 2nd-10, 2nd-7, 2nd-10, 2nd-6. He was being used to keep an already iffy series of downs from getting worse (and he got 25 yards on those 4 carries) -- not to establish a good tone on first down which would then open up more options on second down.
 
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UpNorth_Buckeye said:
Just saw this over on 11w. Just adds to the confusion, so if your head hurts do not read:

The drive where the Buckeyes took the 24-17 lead was the last time in the entire game Carlos Hyde touched the ball on first down.

The last four times Hyde had the ball, this was the game situation: 2nd-10, 2nd-7, 2nd-10, 2nd-6. He was being used to keep an already iffy series of downs from getting worse (and he got 25 yards on those 4 carries) -- not to establish a good tone on first down which would then open up more options on second down.
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You would have thought that was when we would have just pounded it with Carlos. Braxton bailed us out more than a few times as well. Where are the 5-10 yd square in routes, you know the ones Sparty torched our backers with on a consistent basis? Every pass is a home run ball or a WR screen.
 
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Well, I hoped it was just a bad dream (no, a nightmare). It wasn't.

Still, thank you players for your hard work, dedication and simple refusal to lose this season. Thank you coaches for guiding them. May the seniors and those leaving for the NFL enjoy long, prosperous future careers.

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O went dead for long spurts. Too many holes on D and it finally cost us.

The National press seems to be doing a celebration dance over the loss. Pat Forde basically wrote a personal hate column, 2 years in pandora's box and happily released last night. . Wow.

I'll just read which bowl Monday morning but not expecting much. The backlash towards this team seems very real. A shame.
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This is our sad reality. I want nothing more than to literally grind whichever opponent we play into paste in the bowl game. If our defense plays like it has all season, I don't see how that will happen. But beating up on Okie/Okie lt/Oregon/whomever would shut ESPN and Yahoo up, at least until next season.
 
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Boostinlsj said:
I don't think you grasp the build up of 2 years with the same BAD defensive scheme all coming crashing down at a chance to play for all the marbles. But you are right about the upside, for now though...it is shame time.
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I don't know how you can judge the scheme - it's a matter of talent. This year's team was loaded with talent on the offensive side of the ball an d that's not even taking into consideration kids like Cardell and Jalin Marshall. The talent on the defense was very limited, especially LBs and DBs and the loss of Bryant early on didn't help.

If you go back and read our collective pre-season wisdom, we got exactly what we expected to get from this team, an outrageous offense and a defense we hoped would grow up.

The games where we struggled most were games where the offense didn't get out in front early. Northwestern, Michigan and last night are perfect examples.
 
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Great win for my Spartans.

But this really sucks for you guys and the Big Ten in many ways. I really felt it was a win win for me last night. MSU wins they go to the Rose. MSU loses and they go to the Rose and OSU goes to play for the NC game....which I think they have a good shot to take out FSU.

Makes me sick that FSU and Auburn will be playing for the NC. I just think FSU is a fraud. I would like to see them against MSU D or any real D. Yes OSU got there yards but a good D seems to know how to get stops when needed. And that is the key. You can not stop good O now a days. But you can get key stops and make the key plays and that is all you can do against the best teams.

BTW OSU has a good D IMO but lack discipline and did a poor job of making the key stops. Clean up the stupid penalties with the DBs and show some brains a few times and OSU wins. I do not know who coaches the DBs but they either need to go or get with the program. The difference in the game was OSU corners and back 4 stunk. The front 7 played very well. Shazior and Sabo (sp?) are men amongst boys. And actually your one very good DB (Roby) going down really hurt. Tough loss.

Good news is that SCum is keeping their whole staff so you can count on them not getting any better any time soon:)
 
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Greyshirt said:
Great win for my Spartans.

But this really sucks for you guys and the Big Ten in many ways. I really felt it was a win win for me last night. MSU wins they go to the Rose. MSU loses and they go to the Rose and OSU goes to play for the NC game....which I think they have a good shot to take out FSU.

Makes me sick that FSU and Auburn will be playing for the NC. I just think FSU is a fraud. I would like to see them against MSU D or any real D. Yes OSU got there yards but a good D seems to know how to get stops when needed. And that is the key. You can not stop good O now a days. But you can get key stops and make the key plays and that is all you can do against the best teams.

BTW OSU has a good D IMO but lack discipline and did a poor job of making the key stops. Clean up the stupid penalties with the DBs and show some brains a few times and OSU wins. I do not know who coaches the DBs but they either need to go or get with the program. The difference in the game was OSU corners and back 4 stunk. The front 7 played very well. Shazior and Sabo (sp?) are men amongst boys. And actually your one very good DB (Roby) going down really hurt. Tough loss.

Good news is that SCum is keeping their whole staff so you can count on them not getting any better any time soon:)
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We don't have a good D.
 
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Woke up this morning, watched Carlos Hyde address the media. I just feel crushed for him. I hate to say I know it would have been a different ballgame if he gets the call on that 3rd/4th down, but I do. I hate to present it as fact, but it is. In my mind, it is. There was nothing I saw last night that could make me believe otherwise.

But... coulda/woulda/shoulda. Stings. I love that kid.
 
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Coqui said:
I can't think of one player who has taken the congratulations upon themselves. They're a team. Just like I don't expect one person to take the blame. They're a team.
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I know plenty of players who when they make a bad penalty or drop a pass or miss a block say "I screwed up." Sparty deserves all the credit but to say the loss is all what Sparty did, then the team and coaches are living in denial. Urban was the most honest of the bunch..I have faith he knows what needs corrected but it can't be done now. Circle the wagons and prepare the best you can for the bowl! Go Bucks!
 
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cincibuck said:
I don't know how you can judge the scheme - it's a matter of talent. This year's team was loaded with talent on the offensive side of the ball an d that's not even taking into consideration kids like Cardell and Jalin Marshall. The talent on the defense was very limited, especially LBs and DBs and the loss of Bryant early on didn't help.

If you go back and read our collective pre-season wisdom, we got exactly what we expected to get from this team, an outrageous offense and a defense we hoped would grow up.

The games where we struggled most were games where the offense didn't get out in front early. Northwestern, Michigan and last night are perfect examples.
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My problem is this; our defense has made every single quarterback/offense we've played look like Heisman contenders. Everyone has their best game of the season against us.

Just look at Cook and MSU. There's no way in hell we have less talent on Defense than Western Michigan, USF, Notre Dame, Iowa, Purdue, Michigan, Northwestern or Minnesota. Sadly, all of those teams held MSU to fewer than 34 points.

We made Joel Stave of Wiscy (20/34, 295 yrds (avg 8.7), 2 td/1 int) look like Tom Brady. But he averaged a 39.6 QBR against Penn State, the team playing with an FCS level of scholarships and asking students to walk-on. No way we should have less talent than they do.

The NWestern duo at QB completed 25/31 for 343 yards, at 11.1 a pop, with 2 TDs and 1 int against our D. They were held to <50%, less than 200 yards, no TDs and 1 int by Wisconsin. Against Nebraska, they had 81 total yards, no tds and 1 int. When was the last time Wisconsin or Nebraska had top 25 recruiting classes, let alone top 10/5 recruiting classes like we've averaged over the past 5 years.

There are many examples, but with the way we have recruited, on paper we have far and away more talent than any other team in the B1G on both sides of the ball. If there truly is a "talent" gap, it's because recruited talent hasn't translated onto the field. And in this scenario, there are two explanations:
1) Evaluation
2) Development

Both of which, again, lie on the coaches. What would happen if you gave our defensive players to Kirk Ferentz, Gary Andersen, Bill O'Brien or (gods forbid) Mark Dantonio? Personally, I think they would play a hell of a lot better than they did this season - which means it's on the coaches.
 
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Congratulations to the Buckeyes for a truly special unbeaten run. There is not much more to say that is positive, in a week that also saw Madiba leave this earthly plain. Clearly, Ohio State has had defensive problems all year and played a very weak schedule. Coach Meyer will want to assess whether these coaches can get to the next level. It is a deep disappointment but, as Madiba said, do not look at their failures but rather at how they respond.
 
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Greyshirt said:
Great win for my Spartans.

But this really sucks for you guys and the Big Ten in many ways. I really felt it was a win win for me last night. MSU wins they go to the Rose. MSU loses and they go to the Rose and OSU goes to play for the NC game....which I think they have a good shot to take out FSU.

Makes me sick that FSU and Auburn will be playing for the NC. I just think FSU is a fraud. I would like to see them against MSU D or any real D. Yes OSU got there yards but a good D seems to know how to get stops when needed. And that is the key. You can not stop good O now a days. But you can get key stops and make the key plays and that is all you can do against the best teams.

BTW OSU has a good D IMO but lack discipline and did a poor job of making the key stops. Clean up the stupid penalties with the DBs and show some brains a few times and OSU wins. I do not know who coaches the DBs but they either need to go or get with the program. The difference in the game was OSU corners and back 4 stunk. The front 7 played very well. Shazior and Sabo (sp?) are men amongst boys. And actually your one very good DB (Roby) going down really hurt. Tough loss.

Good news is that SCum is keeping their whole staff so you can count on them not getting any better any time soon:)
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Welcome to the board. Please rock the shit out of Stanford in the Granddaddy, we will try to do the same against whoever we play but no guarantees. Only way to raise the perception of the B1G and maybe recruit some decent players away from the SEC
 
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