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Game Thread tOSU @ Virginia Tech, Sep 7 2015 @ 8pm ET, ESPN

Fully expect Beamer to come up with a new wrinkle. Also fully believe that the OC for tOSU will unravel that wrinkle within the first ten minutes of the game. Urban's law. Kinda believe that the VT offense will be the 'head fake' and run a bunch of draws, reverses, mis-direction plays because tOSU D will be rushing balls to the wall. tOSU D will react to Bosa being out by doing what the O did for Cardale against Wiscy, and regroup and protect. Kyle mighta been kind when he opined 700-zip, but tOSU O will be clicking even without Jalin, Curtis and Corey. Too many other weapons. Look for Zeke to be outa the game after one or two series after halftime, with 150+ yards. Not to denigrate the VT D, the O-line is just that good. Predict that there will be some freshmen playing early in second half for the O-line. TOSU marching band will 'cut' the VT band to shreds as well. A statement will be made. Go Bucks!
 
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Common assumptions by average Hokie fans:
The VT defense is an unbreachable wall. (Hitler thought the same thing about his Atlantic Wall)
Lane Stadium will present some noise/atmosphere challenge the Bucks can't handle (I present the cultists at Beaver Stadium as merely one refutation).
Braxton Miller can't learn the H position in a few weeks, and even if he can, the VT DB's will contain him.
They contained Ezekiel last year and will do so this year.

Common assumptions by average Buckeye fans:
The Ohio State offense will pick up where they left off on 1/12, and be even better.
There will be no problems with however the QB issue is resolved.
Braxton Miller can take a hard hit on his right shoulder.
Ed Warriner = Tom Herman (or there won't be any significant difference)
The Silver Bullets are back. (Get ready for a defense that allows 15 ppg)

I honestly think our assumptions are more likely to be true than theirs, but not all of them. There will be issues. If Zeke is ripping off chunky runs, and our QB's are completing balls, it will be a painful night for the Hokies. But given this is game 1, and defenses are usually ahead of offenses, and that Warriner will have to feel his way along with the play calling - I expect the game to start slow where the two sides feel each other out, but for the Ohio State offense to eventually prevail, and the Bucks win by 10 or a little more. If the game gets ugly, it will be in the favor of the Bucks. The only thing that would shock me would be a Va Tech blowout win.
 
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Common assumptions by average Hokie fans:
The VT defense is an unbreachable wall. (Hitler thought the same thing about his Atlantic Wall)
Lane Stadium will present some noise/atmosphere challenge the Bucks can't handle (I present the cultists at Beaver Stadium as merely one refutation).
Braxton Miller can't learn the H position in a few weeks, and even if he can, the VT DB's will contain him.
They contained Ezekiel last year and will do so this year.

Common assumptions by average Buckeye fans:
The Ohio State offense will pick up where they left off on 1/12, and be even better.
There will be no problems with however the QB issue is resolved.
Braxton Miller can take a hard hit on his right shoulder.
Ed Warriner = Tom Herman (or there won't be any significant difference)
The Silver Bullets are back. (Get ready for a defense that allows 15 ppg)

I honestly think our assumptions are more likely to be true than theirs, but not all of them. There will be issues. If Zeke is ripping off chunky runs, and our QB's are completing balls, it will be a painful night for the Hokies. But given this is game 1, and defenses are usually ahead of offenses, and that Warriner will have to feel his way along with the play calling - I expect the game to start slow where the two sides feel each other out, but for the Ohio State offense to eventually prevail, and the Bucks win by 10 or a little more. If the game gets ugly, it will be in the favor of the Bucks. The only thing that would shock me would be a Va Tech blowout win.
Agree on almost all points. Both fan bases expectations are extreme in their own direction.
VT defense is not an unbreachable wall, and though it will be tough I think Bama and Penn State had better lines, it will be tough running inside, but the VT back 4 could easily get shredded if we find a go to receiver.
I expect the atmosphere in Lane Stadium to be difficult, but not as bad as penn state. I think if we played that Penn State game at home it would have been a blowout, so home field has some advantages. Similar to the Bama game, the stadium noise in the 4th quarter buried in their fans end zone probably had an effect on the team. Playing this game at Ohio Stadium this year would probably result in a 40+ pt performance, in Lane Stadium I expect more like a 30-35 pt performance.
I have no doubt brax will excel at the H in game 1, but I understand the doubt.
They have to be joking on Zeke. Our line will be outstanding and Zeke is a monster. Not ever close to this time last year.

Our offense will not pick up where it left off. Not even close, but it will still be a ton better than last year at this time. Run game will likely be unchanged, but receiving has too many question marks.
QB situation will be a little unknown just due to down time and getting used to new receivers starting. Should hit groove by half time.
No worries about injuries for brax. He will likely be in a steady rotation rather than playing every down.
I love Tom Herman, but the offense is Urbans. I only worry when the DCs leave. Ed Warriner is still coaching the line, and as long as we have a good QB coach, there should be absolutely no difference.
Silver Bullets will be back once Joey is back. This is a defense that plays tough and takes risks, as long as they don't blow up in our faces the silver bullets will be back by game 2.

Most importantly I think this game is going to be slow to start. I fully expect turnovers on both sides in the 1st half and some ugly ball. Perhaps tied at half, perhaps down, but I would bet it's a 1 score game whoever is winning. I think after the half we hit our groove, particularly on defense. I expect we outscore them 21-7 or 21-3 in the second half.
 
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I too was in Zona for the NC. Ted Gin taking it to the house on the kickoff... the place was rocking. After that, we got whipped up and down the field. Was a tough day to be a Buckeye!

Just a quick ?
What's the general feel about Frank Beamer? No doubt a great coach and has had 13 double digit wins at VTech, been to a bowl game ever year since '93. But never had played for a National Championship. Is that a blemish on his legacy or not really a concern for Hokie fans?

Thanks and look forward to a fun game, football can't get here quick enough! :cheers:


As pointed out by Shiloh, Beamer took VT to one NC appearance but it's been quite a drought since '99.


My personal opinion, and one that's shared by many VT fans, is that Beamer is a great coach and has built this entire program from basically nothing. He's the reason that VT football is relevant today and routinely puts out a winning program and goes to bowl games. He's genuinely a great guy and a pleasure to talk to whenever we would run into him on campus.

HOWEVER, I think it's passed time that he steps down and retires. I think he hit his ceiling a few years back and there have been far too many seasons in recent memory where the team has been complacent and lacked discipline, which has led to disappointing seasons. Granted, he's done a hell of a job without the luxury of a roster full of 5-star prospects, but the program in general needs a breath of fresh air and a new future direction. Bud Foster would be a great successor, but there is also plenty of evidence that he's quite content in the DC role and would want to continue focusing on his defenses. I'd like to see them bring in somebody from the outside to shed some new perspective, but I don't see that happening anytime soon. Don't get me wrong, I'm grateful to have Beamer as our coach, but at the same time I think all of us VT fans have been starting to wonder about the future.
 
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As pointed out by Shiloh, Beamer took VT to one NC appearance but it's been quite a drought since '99.


My personal opinion, and one that's shared by many VT fans, is that Beamer is a great coach and has built this entire program from basically nothing. He's the reason that VT football is relevant today and routinely puts out a winning program and goes to bowl games. He's genuinely a great guy and a pleasure to talk to whenever we would run into him on campus.

HOWEVER, I think it's passed time that he steps down and retires. I think he hit his ceiling a few years back and there have been far too many seasons in recent memory where the team has been complacent and lacked discipline, which has led to disappointing seasons. Granted, he's done a hell of a job without the luxury of a roster full of 5-star prospects, but the program in general needs a breath of fresh air and a new future direction. Bud Foster would be a great successor, but there is also plenty of evidence that he's quite content in the DC role and would want to continue focusing on his defenses. I'd like to see them bring in somebody from the outside to shed some new perspective, but I don't see that happening anytime soon. Don't get me wrong, I'm grateful to have Beamer as our coach, but at the same time I think all of us VT fans have been starting to wonder about the future.
Probably right. They need to bring in someone that can bring in a fast paced offenses and keep his guys pumped and motivated. No reason VT with the kind of kids they bring in can't at least challenge for ACC title annually. Very few coaches can keep momentum at one school for much longer than a decade, let alone 3 decades which he is close to. That might actually be the longest active HC run in FBS. You get older, you get more comfortable and the fire starts to die down. Fundamentals are still there but the energy starts to go.
 
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As pointed out by Shiloh, Beamer took VT to one NC appearance but it's been quite a drought since '99.


My personal opinion, and one that's shared by many VT fans, is that Beamer is a great coach and has built this entire program from basically nothing. He's the reason that VT football is relevant today and routinely puts out a winning program and goes to bowl games. He's genuinely a great guy and a pleasure to talk to whenever we would run into him on campus.

HOWEVER, I think it's passed time that he steps down and retires. I think he hit his ceiling a few years back and there have been far too many seasons in recent memory where the team has been complacent and lacked discipline, which has led to disappointing seasons. Granted, he's done a hell of a job without the luxury of a roster full of 5-star prospects, but the program in general needs a breath of fresh air and a new future direction. Bud Foster would be a great successor, but there is also plenty of evidence that he's quite content in the DC role and would want to continue focusing on his defenses. I'd like to see them bring in somebody from the outside to shed some new perspective, but I don't see that happening anytime soon. Don't get me wrong, I'm grateful to have Beamer as our coach, but at the same time I think all of us VT fans have been starting to wonder about the future.
I think he's getting into late era papa bowden territory, where the result are declining but the admin/alums aren't sure how to tell the guy who built the program that it's time to step aside. The split was fairly nasty at the time.
 
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Nervous about this game too but this is pretty funny :)

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I heard a successful businessman speak once - a guy in his 50's. He said that for most upper management types, they should stay no longer than 10-15 years in one place, especially if they are 50ish years old. His theory was that you come into a new position with a plan and a vision along with the energy to accomplish it. You spend about 5 years implementing your plan/vision, and then it plays out and peaks somewhere in the second 5 years, and leads to a decline from that peak. He says that older men need fresh challenges and new visions, otherwise they will just ride the decline because it's comfortable and requires lower energy.

I'm in my early 50's, and a lot of that rings true with me. To rob from Toby Keith, I'm not as good as I once was, but given a new challenge, I can be as good for a little while as I ever was. I am less inclined to change, embrace new ideas, and take on things that are going to require 16 hour days.

I have suspected for a long time that these tendencies affect football coaches on the college and pro levels. I haven't observed Frank Beamer enough to know whether I see this happening with him. I definitely felt that Joe Paterno and Bobby Bowden stayed way too long. Urban talks about "juice", which I think refers to high levels of energy and motivation. If aging does anything to a man, it saps your juice. Older coaches can draw on a deeper well of knowledge, and they can defer a decline by letting younger coaches provide the juice. I think an older John Cooper used to say, "I coach coaches." But there seems to be a line that gets crossed with age where there's not enough juice in the head coach to keep the program at the top.
 
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Common assumptions by average Hokie fans:
The VT defense is an unbreachable wall. (Hitler thought the same thing about his Atlantic Wall)
They're decent, but not unbreachable. They were 21st in total defense and 39th in rushing defense last year.

Lane Stadium will present some noise/atmosphere challenge the Bucks can't handle (I present the cultists at Beaver Stadium as merely one refutation).
Ohio State plays at least one road game a year at a 100,000+ venue (Michigan and Penn State, alternating years), along with top-tier bowls venues. The VT crowd will not be a factor.

Braxton Miller can't learn the H position in a few weeks, and even if he can, the VT DB's will contain him.
As a QB, Miller knows the routes and responsibilities of each skill position on offense. His natural talent and smarts will enable him to do just fine at a position that is probably a more natural fit than is QB. And if DBs are creeping up to try and jam Miller, it's going to get ugly for the VT defense real fast.

They contained Ezekiel last year and will do so this year.
Elliott had 32 yards on eight carries, which is still a respectable 4 ypc. But considering the OL was only in their second game ever together, only one week after playing Navy, and Elliott was only in his second start ever, there's no way you can use last year's results as a measuring stick for what will happen in three weeks.


Common assumptions by average Buckeye fans:
The Ohio State offense will pick up where they left off on 1/12, and be even better.
I see no reason why the offense can't indeed resume their production they had during last year's post-season. It may take a drive or two to get synched up, but by the time the second quarter rolls around they should be clicking.

There will be no problems with however the QB issue is resolved.
Can't really disagree with this.

Braxton Miller can take a hard hit on his right shoulder.
A rotator cuff injury can take a hit better than other types of shoulder injuries, but I'd hope Miller avoids hits to the shoulder when possible.

Ed Warriner = Tom Herman (or there won't be any significant difference)
I think it'll take Warriner a while to get used to calling the plays while coaching the OL. He won't be as good as Herman early in the season.

The Silver Bullets are back. (Get ready for a defense that allows 15 ppg)
The defense gave up 22 ppg last year. I think they can get down to 17-18 ppg this year.
Comments above.
 
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Ed Warriner = Tom Herman (or there won't be any significant difference)
I think it'll take Warriner a while to get used to calling the plays while coaching the OL. He won't be as good as Herman early in the season.

The bar must be low on this one since everybody thought Herman sucked.
 
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hey all! Glad to be back after a bit of a holiday! Funny to see the posts here... some are insightful with a lot of solid analysis on the pros and cons. Some are a bit more accurate...

700-0. Apocalypse now.
 
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This season will obviously play out the way it plays out. But as a completely unbiased onlooker, this team could be of '95 Nebraska proportions of awesome in my imo. 4 deep at every frigging position if the injury bug stays away. On paper, the best Buckeye team of my lifetime? Goddamnit I hate jinxing, but just looking at the ridiculous embarrassment of riches...
 
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