I'll take either Ward or McCord if they do a massive overhaul of the OL.
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Tired of watching that grabasticc mess
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He doesn’t run a lot actually… sort of like how Justin was. Runs when he has to but typically isn’t featured.
That said, yeah he’s a good bit better as a thrower.
His mobility though is something he uses to extend plays
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I don’t think we are that far off.
If we can land an OT so that we can slide Fryar inside that’d be enough I think (although we should add more if it’ll improve us).
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I agree...the OL did not get a winning grade in my eyes, but they did improve a lot to the point where I think next year could be very good if they keep on the same path. I actually think if Fryar moves down to RG and Montgomery comes in at RT body-ready for CFB, then you could see a really good OL. That is not a promo for Frye, who I think is underwhelming, but a plug for the guys we have with proper development.
Simmons is really good now that he has adapted, Jackson is a talent that had some weird funk this year and I hope it gets fixed, Hinzman is a really good OL that had to play a year too early and should be much better next year, M Jones is gone but one of Fryar/Vimahi/Padilla/etc. will probably be as good if not better, and Montgomery is the fix at RT imo. That said, I hope we are vigilant looking for a top OT in the portal...definitely could help the team to have new blood competing at that spot, even if they don't win the job at least they push the guys that win out.
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Well, actually, Ward does run a lot(and so did Justin for 1 season Ward 2023- 120rushes vs Fields 2019-137rush). But Ward hasn't been very good at rushing, and averages 1yd/car, so I'm confused to where people act like he's the next Vince Young. Now, McCord was TERRIBLE at running, and was a statue.
But when it comes to passing, Ward has more passing yards(3732 vs 3170) but Ward also has A LOT more pass attempts(486 vs 348). Ward has a whopping 1 more passing TD, and a mind blowing 23 more sacks. And what hasn't been mentioned is that Ward is quite prone to turnovers, as he had 11 fumbles last year to go with 7INTs. While McCord had 3fum with 6INTs
Ward's BIG TIME THROW/TURNOVER THROW Ratio according to PFF:
2022 HORRIBLE 10-21
2023 Better but still not good 22-20
Now I'm pointing this out, not to knock Mr. Ward, but to honestly ask is really better than McCord as a QB. And if Frye can get more talent along the OL to keep the pocket clean for McCord, would he see more success. Ward has the benefit of being the entire WSU offense, no run game, so his numbers will look inflated, and it's hard to say how he'd look in this offense compared to a QB who's been in the offense for multiple years, but in his 1st year starting had 1 of the worst OSU OLs in years.
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Hey good points…
Only thing id point out is Wards increased sack numbers, fumbles, and lack of YPC would appear to be him buying time in the pocket.
Also I don’t have the exact numbers but Wards adjusted completion percentage on intermediate and throws over 20 is quite a bit better too.
Overall I think we’ll roll with who we got. At least we probably should. Besides if we add 1-2 on the OL to make this a top 3 OL in the country? It won’t really matter who the QB is because they’ll have time to throw to a talented WR room and will be handing the ball off to Hayden/Chip.
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Until I see Ward announce he is entering the Portal I put this in the "wishful thinking/possible overreaction" category from the conclusion of the regular season.
All you guys are bringing up great data on McCord vs Ward and I cannot imagine how much more analysis is at the fingertips of the coaches (I just watched the clip in the Coach Frye thread where the missed block caused McCord to throw when he wasn't ready).
With that, I am still confident in McCord with another offseason of experience and getting healthy wheels. However, if Day thinks there is a better option in the Portal I trust his judgement as his track record with Fields and Stroud cannot be questioned (although some posters would argue with me), plus it is his job on the line.
Regardless of the QB position, go find us some line help. On both sides.
All you guys are bringing up great data on McCord vs Ward and I cannot imagine how much more analysis is at the fingertips of the coaches (I just watched the clip in the Coach Frye thread where the missed block caused McCord to throw when he wasn't ready).
With that, I am still confident in McCord with another offseason of experience and getting healthy wheels. However, if Day thinks there is a better option in the Portal I trust his judgement as his track record with Fields and Stroud cannot be questioned (although some posters would argue with me), plus it is his job on the line.
Regardless of the QB position, go find us some line help. On both sides.
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People tried to tell me that the OL this year wasn't "that bad"
Announcer voice/ "it was".
Of any position group it was most responsible for the 3rd straight loss in The Game. McCord was making the game winning throw to a wide open MHjr and can't step into it because one of the interior line (who I was told all year was good and is the strength of the OL) got abused for the last time on a day he scored a 4 something on his PFF grade.
Go raid the portal and take away the lack of talent excuse to see what we have in the new OL coach. Make people compete for jobs.
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all those folks in the portal could come back if they like the new coach presumably and the new coach wants them. I don't think the number of folks in the portal matters to folks that wanna be a HC
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Totally agreed. After cooling down a bit from the game and saying it was on Kyle (that was because the last memory we have is that INT) I think the right thing to do is get more OL in here. Maybe that changes if a Justin Fields type player enters the portal? But I’m not thinking of anyone off the top of my head where that’ll be the case.
With an extra year in the system and now hundreds of reps I think McCord can take the next step next year. The issue is that he won’t if the OL doesn’t get better.
We thought the interior would be a strength but if we are looking at this objectively the tackles I think played better than the interior. I haven’t (and I’m sure many fans as well) learned yet that returning players isn’t always a great thing.
At this point for the offense we really just need to get people in here to compete. We have probably 5 OL players that give us no depth and that can’t happen. We need to get players in here and then play the best 5. If that means Fryar gets beat out and is then a backup? Then that’s fine.
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McCord can get the ball to our playmakers enough to get us to the title, I still think that even after Saturday. I think he will improve after 1 year under his belt. But you are absolutely right that without improvement on the OL, that will not matter. We need 2 top OL from the portal to at least compete and push who we have. Simmons ended up working well after he adjusted and hopefully we find some more like him.
Aside from OL, the only other spots we need help on in the portal are DE/DT imo (DT greatly depending on who leaves for the draft). I really like the Harvard kid at DT, and we need to target a DE regardless of what happens in the '24 class. If a good LB pops up in the portal, that is another position I would be in favor of if it is the right guy.
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I can understand that, but do you think the answer to replacing him is already in the QB room or in the portal? I think the answer is already in our QB room. McCord has enough talent imo to get us where we need to go, he just needs to grow a sack and get out of his own head. That can happen but he really needs to focus on it. Not sure if Day just needs to be the QB guru we all think he is, or if Kyle just needs a mental detox, or a bit of both.
I know he hasn't played at the college level in meaningful situations, but Kienholz has that confidence and command that Kyle lacked this year...so if Kyle can't step it up in that category, one of Brown or Kienholz will...bringing in another QB in the portal is probably not good for either side and we just need to develop 1 of 4 great QB prospects we have recruited into Columbus. One lone exception is if Finn wants to come here to enter the mix.
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