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SKULL SESSION: CHASE YOUNG MIGHT NOT BE DONE GROWING, OHIO STATE IS THE BEST AT DEVELOPING THREE-STAR TALENT, AND CJ STROUD TOPS A 2023 MOCK DRAFT

#DEVELOPEDHERE. We love to talk up Ohio State's ability to develop elite NFL prospects, but if we're being honest, recruiting plays a massive role in those numbers, too. It's a hell of a lot easier to produce a first-round picks when you're also taking in the most talented players in the country out of high school.

Look at Chase Young and Jeff Okudah. Did Ohio State help put them over the edge? Almost certainly, but they were going to be first-round picks wherever they went. Everyone knew that when they were still in high school. That's why everyone wanted them.

So, while it's fun to tout Chase Young, Jeff Okudah and Nick Bosa as three top-three picks in two years, it's nowhere near as impressive as developing a lower-rated prospect into a high-round NFL draft pick. The programs that regularly do that are the real NFL factories. Sorry, Buckeye fans.

Oh shit, nevermind, Ohio State is the best at that too.

The 10 programs that developed the most three-star (or lower) recruits into Round 1-3 picks in the last 10 years are Ohio State (14), Wisconsin (13), Boise State (12), LSU (12), Stanford (12), Louisville (11), Washington (11), Mississippi State (10), TCU (10) and Utah (10).

Many of the programs that end up atop recruiting rankings are still finding high-upside three-star recruits as well, and no program is doing that better than Ohio State.

OSU has had 43 players go in the top three rounds of the draft over the last 10 years, and 14 of them were rated at three stars or below — more than any other program. Six of those players went in the first round.

For some reason, the article didn't delve into this, but Ohio State's number is especially impressive because not only are the Buckeyes first in terms of developing three-stars into early-round picks, but they're probably damn near last in the number of three-stars they actually sign. That means the hit rate is through the roof.

Said differently, Ohio State signs way fewer three-star prospects than everyone else, but still produces more three-star prospects into high-round NFL Draft picks than anyone else. That's damn impressive.

TL;DR, if you want to go to the NFL, come to Ohio State, regardless of recruiting rating.

Entire article: https://www.elevenwarriors.com/skul...e-best-at-developing-three-star-talent-and-cj
 
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Here's an article about the history of some of the so called "recruiting gurus" that you might find interesting:



As the 2020 NFL draft played out, the pater familias of high school football recruiting rankings admired his progeny.

Four-star Joe Burrow went to Cincinnati No. 1 overall, five-star Chase Young went to Washington at No. 2 and five-star Jeff Okudah to Detroit at No. 3.

Joe Terranova did not sire any of those three former Buckeyes, but in the early 1970s he fathered the recruiting rating system that has grown from cottage industry into high-rise office building.

“I still follow it. Once in awhile I even write a little,” he said.

Terranova, 78, never dreamed his makeshift recruiting newsletter, first printed out of his home near Detroit almost 50 years ago, would spawn what has become a multimillion dollar business that includes online sites like 247Sports.com and Rivals.com.

He was a young Ford executive with an interest in recruiting, and on a whim he wrote a recruiting story for a newspaper in Pennsylvania, listing the top 100 players and ranking the top 10 recruiting schools nationally. Terranova’s contact information appeared with the story, and within days he had 200 subscribers at $2 a pop.

Industry growth? Thirty-five years later, on signing day 2005, nearly 7,000 users logged on to the main message board on Scout.com for hourly signing day updates on Tim Tebow’s choice between Florida and Alabama. Today, 247 and Rivals combine for more than 300,000 subscribers, who pay about $10 for analysis and access to message boards.

Why so much interest? Bill Kurelic, who created his own recruiting service in the mid-1980s before joining Bucknuts.com 12 years ago, described recruiting rankings as being 1A to the actual games themselves.

“It’s the second season, so to speak,” Kurelic said. “People love college football ... and the lifeblood of college football is recruiting.”

Rankings and ratings have become a game within the game.

“The coaches absolutely take seriously rankings in recruiting,” Kurelic said, sharing that coaches tell him so. “It’s like beating Michigan on the football field; they want to have a better class at Ohio State.”

Old-school thinking like mine tends to downplay the importance of recruiting rankings, not because they are irrelevant — 21 of the 32 players drafted in the first round on Thursday were former four- or five-star recruits — but because we never caught the wave of interest that began swelling a decade ago. (Note: We also have been around long enough to see plenty of five-star recruits go bust, so we remain suspicious.)

It will disappoint some fans to learn that Ryan Day downplays the importance of “star” ratings. The Ohio State coach explained Sunday that ratings produced by recruiting sites mostly are cause and effect.

“A lot of the scouting sites base their rankings off of who the schools offer,” Day said. “I’m sure they’re giving three, four and five stars based on the type of offers they get. We don’t base (recruiting) off stars you have.”

Day explained that stars also tie to exposure.

“Are guys going to camps? If a kid has offers from some of the best schools in the country, it means multiple staffs have respect for their talent level and potential, then they probably deserve a higher ranking,” he said.

Scouting sites are careful not to push back too hard against coaches who undervalue their services — coaches play an integral if not official role in the ratings process, thus sites are wise not to upset them — but the recruiting analysts strongly defend their work ethic.

Kurelic taught industrial arts and architectural drafting and coached basketball at Dublin High School before going all-in on his recruiting business, which differed from the national sites by concentrating on individual schools.

“Basically, I don’t ever completely take a vacation,” he said. “If I go on vacation to Florida, I’m doing some work from there, because Ohio State is not taking a vacation from recruiting.”

Kurelic works all avenues in compiling information, including hours of cell phone calls to recruits, college and high school coaches and other analysts in the 247Sports network.

“And a pretty fair amount of time going out on the road to see kids play in person and at camps,” he said.

What motivates the analysts has changed over the years. Terranova began as a hobbyist; Tom Lemming, Max Emfinger and Kurelic made recruiting analysis more of a full-time job. Today, dozens if not hundreds make careers out of rating high school football and basketball talent.

“I kind of joke that nowadays all you need is a cell phone to call yourself a recruiting analyst,” Kurelic said. “But a lot of good people are doing this.”

Papa pioneer did it first.

“One of my claims to fame was I picked (Dan) Marino and (John) Elway 1-2 coming out of high school,” Terranova said. “I also said Bo Jackson would win the Heisman Trophy, and he did. I had a lot of credibility.”

A five-star talent before there was such a thing.
 
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Here's an article about the history of some of the so called "recruiting gurus" that you might find interesting:



As the 2020 NFL draft played out, the pater familias of high school football recruiting rankings admired his progeny.

Four-star Joe Burrow went to Cincinnati No. 1 overall, five-star Chase Young went to Washington at No. 2 and five-star Jeff Okudah to Detroit at No. 3.

Joe Terranova did not sire any of those three former Buckeyes, but in the early 1970s he fathered the recruiting rating system that has grown from cottage industry into high-rise office building.

“I still follow it. Once in awhile I even write a little,” he said.

Terranova, 78, never dreamed his makeshift recruiting newsletter, first printed out of his home near Detroit almost 50 years ago, would spawn what has become a multimillion dollar business that includes online sites like 247Sports.com and Rivals.com.

He was a young Ford executive with an interest in recruiting, and on a whim he wrote a recruiting story for a newspaper in Pennsylvania, listing the top 100 players and ranking the top 10 recruiting schools nationally. Terranova’s contact information appeared with the story, and within days he had 200 subscribers at $2 a pop.

Industry growth? Thirty-five years later, on signing day 2005, nearly 7,000 users logged on to the main message board on Scout.com for hourly signing day updates on Tim Tebow’s choice between Florida and Alabama. Today, 247 and Rivals combine for more than 300,000 subscribers, who pay about $10 for analysis and access to message boards.

Why so much interest? Bill Kurelic, who created his own recruiting service in the mid-1980s before joining Bucknuts.com 12 years ago, described recruiting rankings as being 1A to the actual games themselves.

“It’s the second season, so to speak,” Kurelic said. “People love college football ... and the lifeblood of college football is recruiting.”

Rankings and ratings have become a game within the game.

“The coaches absolutely take seriously rankings in recruiting,” Kurelic said, sharing that coaches tell him so. “It’s like beating Michigan on the football field; they want to have a better class at Ohio State.”

Old-school thinking like mine tends to downplay the importance of recruiting rankings, not because they are irrelevant — 21 of the 32 players drafted in the first round on Thursday were former four- or five-star recruits — but because we never caught the wave of interest that began swelling a decade ago. (Note: We also have been around long enough to see plenty of five-star recruits go bust, so we remain suspicious.)

It will disappoint some fans to learn that Ryan Day downplays the importance of “star” ratings. The Ohio State coach explained Sunday that ratings produced by recruiting sites mostly are cause and effect.

“A lot of the scouting sites base their rankings off of who the schools offer,” Day said. “I’m sure they’re giving three, four and five stars based on the type of offers they get. We don’t base (recruiting) off stars you have.”

Day explained that stars also tie to exposure.

“Are guys going to camps? If a kid has offers from some of the best schools in the country, it means multiple staffs have respect for their talent level and potential, then they probably deserve a higher ranking,” he said.

Scouting sites are careful not to push back too hard against coaches who undervalue their services — coaches play an integral if not official role in the ratings process, thus sites are wise not to upset them — but the recruiting analysts strongly defend their work ethic.

Kurelic taught industrial arts and architectural drafting and coached basketball at Dublin High School before going all-in on his recruiting business, which differed from the national sites by concentrating on individual schools.

“Basically, I don’t ever completely take a vacation,” he said. “If I go on vacation to Florida, I’m doing some work from there, because Ohio State is not taking a vacation from recruiting.”

Kurelic works all avenues in compiling information, including hours of cell phone calls to recruits, college and high school coaches and other analysts in the 247Sports network.

“And a pretty fair amount of time going out on the road to see kids play in person and at camps,” he said.

What motivates the analysts has changed over the years. Terranova began as a hobbyist; Tom Lemming, Max Emfinger and Kurelic made recruiting analysis more of a full-time job. Today, dozens if not hundreds make careers out of rating high school football and basketball talent.

“I kind of joke that nowadays all you need is a cell phone to call yourself a recruiting analyst,” Kurelic said. “But a lot of good people are doing this.”

Papa pioneer did it first.

“One of my claims to fame was I picked (Dan) Marino and (John) Elway 1-2 coming out of high school,” Terranova said. “I also said Bo Jackson would win the Heisman Trophy, and he did. I had a lot of credibility.”

A five-star talent before there was such a thing.
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I still have hard copies of some of Kurelic's recruiting newsletters from before they were online. Duane Long as well.
 
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Buckeyes focused on Michigan, even amid coronavirus

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Ohio State head coach Ryan Day was up early Friday morning.

He may have been making a last-minute sales pitch to four-star athlete C.J. Hicks. What is known is that Day appeared on Toledo’s airwaves at 7:30 a.m. on the Fox Sports Morning Blitz on 1230 WCWA with Anthony Bellino.

The nearly 20-minute interview covered the coronavirus pandemic, recruiting, and, of course, the Ohio State-Michigan rivalry, among other topics. Day, a New Hampshire native, was quickly introduced to the rivalry when he took over as OSU’s offensive coordinator in 2017. He memorably broke down after the Buckeyes won in Ann Arbor in November because of the pressure and importance of the single game.

Perhaps no other tenet of being an Ohio State football player is emphasized more inside the halls of the Woody Hayes Athletic Center than beating Michigan. That doesn’t change during a nationwide quarantine.

“Even now, when we’re at home, we still have our ‘Team Up North Days,’ where guys are doing push-ups and different things competing against the ‘team up north,’” Day said. “How do you respect [the rivalry]? You work it every day. It’s part of our life. Is it everything? No, it’s not everything. But it’s real. We look at their recruiting stuff, how they do things, and obviously have a lot of respect for their program. That’s part of the rivalry. Once it goes on the schedule, the countdown in the locker room goes up, and it’s something that’s always in the back of our mind.”

Bellino, who now lives in Toledo, is a native of Monroe. The lifelong Michigan fan serves as the public address announcer at Crisler Center for Michigan basketball games. When he revealed his fandom to Day, the Ohio State coach extended an olive branch of sorts.

“I’m sorry to hear that about you,” Day said. “It’s never too late to change. No one’s going to feel bad for you living in the state of Ohio to make the change. It's happened before. We're always welcoming people to come over to our side. Anytime you want to do that, we’re more than happy to take you. We’ll have to wager something, like if we win next season, you make the jump.”

Day has a track record of converting Wolverines, hiring longtime Michigan assistant Greg Mattison, Al Washington, who served one year under Jim Harbaugh, and former Wolverine captain Joe Bolden, a defensive quality control coach for the Buckeyes.

Entire article (with more comments): https://www.toledoblade.com/sports/...gan-even-amid-coronavirus/stories/20200501108
 
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Looking at the 2021 class trying to beat the 2010 Florida class for best 24/7 class ever, it's pretty wild how basically noone in that Florida class ends up really doing anything in football. The best player turned out to be either Matt Elam or Dominique Easley.
 
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