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It's hard to believe the Big Kat hit the scene 24 years ago this season. Still the most dominant Freshmen season I've ever seen by a defensive player.
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ScriptOhio
Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.
A good example how the recruitment of different players are intertwined and can set off a "domino effect" with other recruits.
What's magical about a visit as long as he is a player we definitely want. Didn't we accept an commitment from J.K. Dobbins without visit?
Another good article on how "recruiting priorities" can change or sometimes will remain the same:
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ScriptOhio
Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.
Family Atmosphere Being Built at Ohio State Through Recruiting
Ryan Day’s first full signing class as head coach at Ohio State finished fifth in the national rankings this past February. The Buckeyes signed 25 players, including the nation’s top offensive tackle in Paris Johnson, two 5-star receivers in Julian Fleming and Jaxon Smith-Njigba, as well as a 5-star quarterback in CJ Stroud.
Day showed pretty early on subbing in for Urban Meyer in 2018 that he could handle the coaching work, then left no doubt last season by putting a playoff team on the field.
There may have been some questions about Day’s recruiting prowess, even though he did a great job of holding onto the 2019 class in the two-plus weeks between Meyer’s retirement and signing day. He also displayed some of his skills by landing quarterback transfer Justin Fields. Fields and Day proved a lethal combination last year.
Recruiting has continued to be outstanding, leaving some to think that maybe Day is even better than Meyer was at this recruiting thing.
“Yeah, I don’t get too much into reading all that stuff,” Day said back on signing day, “But certainly you want to prove yourself as more than just an offensive guy. And so, yeah, we’re competing at the highest level and trying to recruit the best players.”
Ohio State is certainly making noise in the recruiting world. They currently have by far the highest-ranked class in the 2021 cycle, but a lot more goes into scouting players than simply looking at the tape.
“For us it goes back to the fit. We want to have great players, the best players in the country, but the right fit for this program and this culture,” Day said.
“I think that’s what I’m the most proud of right now. When you look at the kids coming into this program, when you look these guys in the eye, they’re beautiful kids. They’re made of the right stuff and have the right work ethic, the right families. And we’re getting ahead in recruiting right now. And it’s exciting to be part of Ohio State, which in that case it’s fun to be the head coach.”
Entire article: https://theozone.net/2020/05/family-atmosphere-built-ohio-state-recruiting/
OK, turn your volume up and sing along:
Just sayin': Ohio State has always been in the forefront of offering/promoting beneficial opportunities and involvement outside of just the athletics in the recruiting process:
1) Academics
2) Family affair
3) Football Parents At Ohio State (FPAOS)
4) Real Life Wednesdays
5) Connections for employment opportunities after graduation
to name a few....
....
Ryan Day’s first full signing class as head coach at Ohio State finished fifth in the national rankings this past February. The Buckeyes signed 25 players, including the nation’s top offensive tackle in Paris Johnson, two 5-star receivers in Julian Fleming and Jaxon Smith-Njigba, as well as a 5-star quarterback in CJ Stroud.
Day showed pretty early on subbing in for Urban Meyer in 2018 that he could handle the coaching work, then left no doubt last season by putting a playoff team on the field.
There may have been some questions about Day’s recruiting prowess, even though he did a great job of holding onto the 2019 class in the two-plus weeks between Meyer’s retirement and signing day. He also displayed some of his skills by landing quarterback transfer Justin Fields. Fields and Day proved a lethal combination last year.
Recruiting has continued to be outstanding, leaving some to think that maybe Day is even better than Meyer was at this recruiting thing.
“Yeah, I don’t get too much into reading all that stuff,” Day said back on signing day, “But certainly you want to prove yourself as more than just an offensive guy. And so, yeah, we’re competing at the highest level and trying to recruit the best players.”
Ohio State is certainly making noise in the recruiting world. They currently have by far the highest-ranked class in the 2021 cycle, but a lot more goes into scouting players than simply looking at the tape.
“For us it goes back to the fit. We want to have great players, the best players in the country, but the right fit for this program and this culture,” Day said.
“I think that’s what I’m the most proud of right now. When you look at the kids coming into this program, when you look these guys in the eye, they’re beautiful kids. They’re made of the right stuff and have the right work ethic, the right families. And we’re getting ahead in recruiting right now. And it’s exciting to be part of Ohio State, which in that case it’s fun to be the head coach.”
Entire article: https://theozone.net/2020/05/family-atmosphere-built-ohio-state-recruiting/
OK, turn your volume up and sing along:
Just sayin': Ohio State has always been in the forefront of offering/promoting beneficial opportunities and involvement outside of just the athletics in the recruiting process:
1) Academics
2) Family affair
3) Football Parents At Ohio State (FPAOS)
4) Real Life Wednesdays
5) Connections for employment opportunities after graduation
to name a few....
....
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ScriptOhio
Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.
When It Comes to Recruiting, Ryan Day Not Worried About Stargazing
Ohio State head coach Ryan Day isn’t a stargazer, which is fine because he doesn’t actually need a telescope to see all of the stars he’s been recruiting.
Ohio State is currently sitting with the No. 1 class in the nation, poised to set an all-time record in some recruiting circles.
And yet, when the Buckeyes are recruiting players, they don’t get hung up on whether they are looking at a 5-star or a 4-star or a 3-star prospect. For many of the kids they’re recruiting, they were in on them before any recruiting services even ranked them. And Ohio State is not alone in that. Offers and evaluations go out earlier and earlier, and sometimes well before any rankings are attached to those players.
In fact, that’s one of the reasons why some prospects get the rankings they do.
“Well, I think that a lot of the scouting sites base their rankings off of who the schools offer,” Day said. “I’m sure that they do their evaluations. I don’t know their process. But I would think that a lot of what they put weight into, in terms of giving guys three, four, and five stars, is based on the type of offers they get. So, we don’t base anything off of what stars you have.”
It’s a bit of a chicken-or-the-egg situation. Do offers come because a player is a 5-star prospect, or is the player a 5-star prospect because of the offers and subsequent evaluation. The answer is yes to both, it just depends on the timing.
Right now with no camps or combines going on, recruiting rankings are still being adjusted. Why? Well, the only thing changing right now is offers, so that impacts the situation somewhat. (The constant need for content should not be overlooked here as well, especially during a sports blackout.)
Rankings can certainly catch a coaching staff’s eye, but the offers from other schools is what they takes more seriously. Urban Meyer praised Michigan State and Wisconsin years ago for their evaluations and said that when those schools offered a prospect, he took notice.
Generally, however, the process is much more organic and is overseen by OSU recruiting director Mark Pantoni.
“What we do is, Mark starts with the evaluations. He watches the film and evaluates the film, watches the highlight film, and watches the game film,” Day said. “And then the position coaches and then coordinators and myself will watch the film as well and just give our evaluations of where we think they are and then where we think they’re headed.”
Entire article: https://theozone.net/2020/05/comes-recruiting-ryan-day-not-worried-stargazing/
Pretty good article with respect to rankings, etc.
Ohio State head coach Ryan Day isn’t a stargazer, which is fine because he doesn’t actually need a telescope to see all of the stars he’s been recruiting.
Ohio State is currently sitting with the No. 1 class in the nation, poised to set an all-time record in some recruiting circles.
And yet, when the Buckeyes are recruiting players, they don’t get hung up on whether they are looking at a 5-star or a 4-star or a 3-star prospect. For many of the kids they’re recruiting, they were in on them before any recruiting services even ranked them. And Ohio State is not alone in that. Offers and evaluations go out earlier and earlier, and sometimes well before any rankings are attached to those players.
In fact, that’s one of the reasons why some prospects get the rankings they do.
“Well, I think that a lot of the scouting sites base their rankings off of who the schools offer,” Day said. “I’m sure that they do their evaluations. I don’t know their process. But I would think that a lot of what they put weight into, in terms of giving guys three, four, and five stars, is based on the type of offers they get. So, we don’t base anything off of what stars you have.”
It’s a bit of a chicken-or-the-egg situation. Do offers come because a player is a 5-star prospect, or is the player a 5-star prospect because of the offers and subsequent evaluation. The answer is yes to both, it just depends on the timing.
Right now with no camps or combines going on, recruiting rankings are still being adjusted. Why? Well, the only thing changing right now is offers, so that impacts the situation somewhat. (The constant need for content should not be overlooked here as well, especially during a sports blackout.)
Rankings can certainly catch a coaching staff’s eye, but the offers from other schools is what they takes more seriously. Urban Meyer praised Michigan State and Wisconsin years ago for their evaluations and said that when those schools offered a prospect, he took notice.
Generally, however, the process is much more organic and is overseen by OSU recruiting director Mark Pantoni.
“What we do is, Mark starts with the evaluations. He watches the film and evaluates the film, watches the highlight film, and watches the game film,” Day said. “And then the position coaches and then coordinators and myself will watch the film as well and just give our evaluations of where we think they are and then where we think they’re headed.”
Entire article: https://theozone.net/2020/05/comes-recruiting-ryan-day-not-worried-stargazing/
Pretty good article with respect to rankings, etc.
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calibuck
Too soon old, too late smart
Well, with everything locked down and tight, the coaches have a ton of time to watch film (and earn their pay). Probably something they don't really get to do during the summer, given the trips to visit prospects, and hosting prospects in C'bus, plus all the evaluation camps that they hold. All that requires a tremendous amount of planning, set ups and all, plus the coaches learning the names of all their *true* prospects. Can't have a coach calling Caleb - Carl or somesuch. Will be interested to see if a reporter somewhere down the line asks Pantoni or Day whether they were incorporating any of their 'Covid19' prep into their regular evaluation process. Probably will never know, but if the Wiscy and MSU can do it (do they even have the level or number of camps tOSU has/holds?). Go Bucks!
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ScriptOhio
Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.
TAKE/COUNTER-TAKE: OHIO STATE SHOULD PRIORITIZE RECRUITING IN-STATE PROSPECTS
There wouldn't seem to be much to debate about regarding Ohio State's current recruiting successes.
While already maintaining a stranglehold on the No. 1 recruiting class in the 2021 cycle, provided Ryan Day and his staff finish strong, the Buckeyes could make a run at the best class in the modern recruiting era. That isn't hyperbole, either. They hold 19 commitments, and by securing the top remaining targets on their board, they'd top Florida's 2010 class, which holds the crown.
But we're tackling a long-debated recruiting question anyway. Should the Buckeyes prioritize recruiting prospects from Ohio?
TAKE: OHIO STATE SHOULD PRIORITIZE IN-STATE PROSPECTS
Colin Hass-Hill: My name isn’t Jim Tressel. I’m not here to advocate that Mark Pantoni enters his quarantine bunker, pulls up the 247Sports composite rankings on his laptop, click on the Ohio rankings, then copy and paste the 25 best players in state onto Ohio State’s recruiting board.
Let’s be realistic. Ohio State doesn’t become Ohio State without thriving nationally on the trail. Dwayne Haskins, Jeff Okudah, Chase Young, J.T. Barrett, the Bosa brothers, Justin Fields, TreVeyon Henderson, Chris Olave and Raekwon McMillan just popped their heads in here to say hello.
But, for a multitude of reasons that I’m sure my friend and colleague Kevin Harrish doesn’t want you to believe, it’s important for the Buckeyes to prioritize Ohio-based prospects in recruiting.
For Ohio State, Ohio has to be the bedrock. The foundation upon what everything is built.
“It will continue to be our first priority to recruit Ohio football players,” Ryan Day said at his introductory press conference as the Buckeyes head coach.
Of course, that’s the cheapest way for any newly hired coach anywhere to get applause from the local fans. Chris Holtmann made a similar move three years ago, saying the new basketball staff was working to “close the borders and dominate the state of Ohio in recruiting.” But it also matters that Day executes those words.
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COUNTER-TAKE: OHIO STATE SHOULD NOT PRIORITIZE IN-STATE PROSPECTS
Kevin Harrish: I’m not anti-Ohio, but I am pro-winning. And I boldly believe that the best way to win is to collect the best players. My argument is simply that Buckeyes should do that.
When it comes to recruiting, signing the most talented players in the country should be Ohio State’s only concern. It simply should not matter where those players come from. Priority should be given to the better player, regardless of home state.
It’s a heartwarming story every time a local kid gets to suit up in the Scarlet and Gray after dreaming of playing for the Buckeyes as a kid, but the reality is Ohio State isn’t the Make-A-Wish Foundation, it’s a program that expects to compete for a national title every season, and a national recruiting approach is a tried-and-true way to make that happen.
If you’d like proof, look at Alabama, which has been the most dominant program of the last decade because of its national recruiting approach.
The Crimson Tide signed the nation’s best class every single season for seven years between 2011 and 2017 and won four national titles with two runner-up finishes during that span. They also signed no more than eight prospects from their home class in each recruiting class. During that same span, Ohio State signed nine or more Ohioans in every single class, never had the nation’s highest-rated recruiting class and won a single national title.
Now, the obvious difference is that Ohio is a more populous state that produces more elite football talent. But the fact remains that Alabama does not tie itself to in-state loyalties and has found unprecedented success as a result.
And we can’t pretend like Ohio State hasn’t already benefitted from a national recruiting approach. Taking the past 10 classes that had at least three years to develop (I.e. from 2008 to 2017), Ohio State signed 121 players from Ohio and 119 from elsewhere – a near-even split. But out of those classes, there were more than twice times as many All-Americans from other states (13) as there were from Ohio (6), and twice as many first-round picks, as well.
Entire article: https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio...ould-prioritize-recruiting-in-state-prospects
I vote for the "Alabama Model", you got to nationwide and take the best players you can get.
There wouldn't seem to be much to debate about regarding Ohio State's current recruiting successes.
While already maintaining a stranglehold on the No. 1 recruiting class in the 2021 cycle, provided Ryan Day and his staff finish strong, the Buckeyes could make a run at the best class in the modern recruiting era. That isn't hyperbole, either. They hold 19 commitments, and by securing the top remaining targets on their board, they'd top Florida's 2010 class, which holds the crown.
But we're tackling a long-debated recruiting question anyway. Should the Buckeyes prioritize recruiting prospects from Ohio?
TAKE: OHIO STATE SHOULD PRIORITIZE IN-STATE PROSPECTS
Colin Hass-Hill: My name isn’t Jim Tressel. I’m not here to advocate that Mark Pantoni enters his quarantine bunker, pulls up the 247Sports composite rankings on his laptop, click on the Ohio rankings, then copy and paste the 25 best players in state onto Ohio State’s recruiting board.
Let’s be realistic. Ohio State doesn’t become Ohio State without thriving nationally on the trail. Dwayne Haskins, Jeff Okudah, Chase Young, J.T. Barrett, the Bosa brothers, Justin Fields, TreVeyon Henderson, Chris Olave and Raekwon McMillan just popped their heads in here to say hello.
But, for a multitude of reasons that I’m sure my friend and colleague Kevin Harrish doesn’t want you to believe, it’s important for the Buckeyes to prioritize Ohio-based prospects in recruiting.
For Ohio State, Ohio has to be the bedrock. The foundation upon what everything is built.
“It will continue to be our first priority to recruit Ohio football players,” Ryan Day said at his introductory press conference as the Buckeyes head coach.
Of course, that’s the cheapest way for any newly hired coach anywhere to get applause from the local fans. Chris Holtmann made a similar move three years ago, saying the new basketball staff was working to “close the borders and dominate the state of Ohio in recruiting.” But it also matters that Day executes those words.
.
.
.
COUNTER-TAKE: OHIO STATE SHOULD NOT PRIORITIZE IN-STATE PROSPECTS
Kevin Harrish: I’m not anti-Ohio, but I am pro-winning. And I boldly believe that the best way to win is to collect the best players. My argument is simply that Buckeyes should do that.
When it comes to recruiting, signing the most talented players in the country should be Ohio State’s only concern. It simply should not matter where those players come from. Priority should be given to the better player, regardless of home state.
It’s a heartwarming story every time a local kid gets to suit up in the Scarlet and Gray after dreaming of playing for the Buckeyes as a kid, but the reality is Ohio State isn’t the Make-A-Wish Foundation, it’s a program that expects to compete for a national title every season, and a national recruiting approach is a tried-and-true way to make that happen.
If you’d like proof, look at Alabama, which has been the most dominant program of the last decade because of its national recruiting approach.
The Crimson Tide signed the nation’s best class every single season for seven years between 2011 and 2017 and won four national titles with two runner-up finishes during that span. They also signed no more than eight prospects from their home class in each recruiting class. During that same span, Ohio State signed nine or more Ohioans in every single class, never had the nation’s highest-rated recruiting class and won a single national title.
Now, the obvious difference is that Ohio is a more populous state that produces more elite football talent. But the fact remains that Alabama does not tie itself to in-state loyalties and has found unprecedented success as a result.
And we can’t pretend like Ohio State hasn’t already benefitted from a national recruiting approach. Taking the past 10 classes that had at least three years to develop (I.e. from 2008 to 2017), Ohio State signed 121 players from Ohio and 119 from elsewhere – a near-even split. But out of those classes, there were more than twice times as many All-Americans from other states (13) as there were from Ohio (6), and twice as many first-round picks, as well.
Entire article: https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio...ould-prioritize-recruiting-in-state-prospects
I vote for the "Alabama Model", you got to nationwide and take the best players you can get.
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That was talking about Bama, right? I didn't find a class of theirs in that timeframe that had more than 8 commits from Alabama.
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ScriptOhio
Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.
There aren’t a bunch of kids taking visits to schools they are only marginally interested in just to gain some social media clout. The young men being recruited by Ohio State see it as a unique opportunity to join something that is among the country’s very best and aren’t fiddling around, which is paying off for the Buckeyes.
Now comes the hard part for Ohio State, though. The remaining five or six pieces of the 2021 recruiting class are the ones that will separate it from a group of really good recruiting classes and elevate it to an all-time great class. The fight to land 5-star prospects like Emeka Egbuka and J.T. Tuimoloau hasn’t been easy to this point, and it’s only more challenging to not have any chance to get them on campus before July at the earliest. That puts added pressure on the coaching staff to close the deal on top recruits with elite offers from all corners of the country — and they also have to do that without getting to look the players in the eye or shake the hands of their parents.
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Akron Rick
Heisman
Have read and re-read the above Birm quoted essay and just don't get all the angst. Maybe Script can explain how Ohio State is at such a disadvantage when unless I'm misstaken these recruits aren't visiting anywhere during the pandemic, not just Columbus. Its like Birm thinks we have to close now before these other schools get visits we cannot match. Even when this opens up, would J.T.and Egbuka not want to visit because the distance is suddenly too far?
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