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That's the dream scenario really so losing out on the "gravy" here isn't the end of the world. The guys mentioned above are areas of need so it will feel a lot differently if we don't get at least two of the four imo
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calibuck
Too soon old, too late smart
Agree with all the above. BP stands head and shoulders above some of the other boards. Probably should give more credit to the mods. Betting they delete many of the more abusive/virulent posts before they become public. Thanks to you unsung heroes. As far as to the 'why' of recruiting, the mental masturbation can cover many aspects of a 17-18 year old kid listening to the blandishments of assistant coaches/head coaches, and now the 'masters' of the NIL grab bags. Who in our group could look forward 10 or 20 years to figure out the best path to take? Certainly not me. Instant gratification is what NIL brings to the table, and every kid still believes they are going to the NFL and earn $20m per year doing what they love. tOSU can do everything right, and still lose a recruit that was a 'lock'. Not certain who above said it, that's why they pay the assistant coaches the big bucks. Would opine that the portal is brought up....as in 'well, if you come here, I can guarantee that you'll get great training/teaching, and if for whatever reason it doesn't work out, you can catch on with another great program and be a star there." Paraphrase it anyway you choose. Anyway, would love to hear from a coach/team that they conducted an exit interview with a kid that chose X program, as to why they didn't come to our U. Might be a hoot. Go Bucks! Stay the course, and true to tOSU's path.
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It comes down to the "once is a coincidence, twice is a trend" tipping point for each person.
At what point do you stop saying it's just a series of noncorrelated events and at what point do you ask why all these seemingly noncorrelated events keep happening? Everyone is going to have their own personal landing spot on that spectrum.
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Definitely not nuclear at all, we didn't need KVA but he sure would have been nice in this class. Now I think we just stick with Pierce and Stover and call it a day at LB, which is fine in our scheme with the recent commits in the past two classes.
I am just a little concerned on the rest of the defensive class outside of KVA. Scott I am about positive on to join West to make a great base CB unit in this class. But if Scott doesn't join, you are 100% correct that it would be a much bigger loss than KVA. We are doubling down on Bolden it seems...I hate the term "must get" but he is close to it with how hard we are pursuing with seemingly no Door #2 behind him. Gotta win that very tough and seemingly uphill battle.
But DL is really the crux of the issue. Obviously Scott is a huge boon to the DL and quite unexpected. Hopefully he is in recruiter mode for us and can help seal the deal with Stewart and Houston...those 3 guys will alleviate concerns on the DL, we can fill in any gaps after that and sleep easy. Hopefully we stay on track with Scott, Stewart and Houston, those are the priorities imo (Bolden too probably with how hard we have gone after him)
Double down on that first paragraph, who cares about the emotionally irrational minority with a keyboard? I rarely look at Twitter for this very reason and just come here.
As to the second point, agreed completely. We can discuss the defensive issues on the field and how it reflects on our recruiting (or just our defensive recruiting prowess in general). On the DL, Scott was an incredible get thanks to LJ. But of course you know other teams are trumpeting his impending retirement/scale-back with his age...can't blame them for playing that card, but it is going to get worse if we do not have a clear transition plan for recruits. LJ is the man in recruiting and development of players, but if we keep ignoring his age and longevity, I think that will hurt us more than we are accounting for.
On the back 7, I think we have mostly done well. West, Lockhart and McClain (and hopefully Scott soon) is a great base, as is Pierce and Stover at LB. Mathews, CSH, Hartford, Bonsu and Hawkins was a great DB class last year, though only landing Reese at LB was not ideal. I think the number for LB in this class was 3, but only if it was the right 3 guys...with KVA out, I don't think we have a guy on the radar that is a take to round that out. At DL, we seem to be (and should be) throwing the kitchen sink at Stewart and Houston...we have plenty of recent success at DE and I would imagine the NIL money is going to be thrown that way pretty hard. I hate to say it, but I think we really need both in this class unless we have a great backup plan.
Point is that the defensive recruiting is not in dire conditions yet, but we need some big wins in the next month with the aforementioned recruits.
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We should win that one. Not landing KVA just exacerbates concerns on defensive recruiting...there is perceived recruiting momentum and whether real or not, you start to get nervous on guys that seem like a lock to end up in Columbus. With that out of the way, KVA will have zero impact on Scott's decision, which appears to be already made.
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NCBuckeye86
The boss
I think as a fan with blinders on for OSU. You are trying to compare our class to other elites. We see the wins and losses for OSU. However say comparison to UGA we are only paying attention to who they get not who they miss out on. That's my perception for my Karen approach any way.
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I think recruiting will never be as dire as fans think with the Portal being in existence. And it's hard to think of both scenarios for many. Especially if guys like Igbinosun, Carter, Simmons excel. No one will worry AT ALL about the recruits OSU missed at CB, S or OT if those 3 perform well. For example, losing KVA, but then getting a former 2yr starter at a school like Memphis, or San Jose St who put up good numbers already in a college system doesn't look like a loss anymore. This is the new frontier.
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The portal definitely helps lessen the blow of recruiting losses if done properly. Obviously the ideal approach is recruit elite top 5 classes every year, then use the portal for departures that result from elite classes stacked up. But if you have some misses at positions of need, guys like you mentioned could be God sends and fill the gap.
Just don't want to lean on the portal for recruiting shortcomings, but the staff is most certainly not doing that. They're just human and 'crootin happens. We just need a banner year at DE though, we can't rely on the portal for that position.
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Day and co have 4 jobs and they are paid handsomely to do all 4
1 dont lose elite in state talent (especially to ttun)
2 beat ttun
3 win B1G
4 win Natty
someone remind me where he stands so far in his tenure?
EDIT - if this needs moved I get it, Just a little concerned with the trends I am seeing but then again Ill always be a little sensitive having lived the Cooper years up close and in color.
1 dont lose elite in state talent (especially to ttun)
2 beat ttun
3 win B1G
4 win Natty
someone remind me where he stands so far in his tenure?
EDIT - if this needs moved I get it, Just a little concerned with the trends I am seeing but then again Ill always be a little sensitive having lived the Cooper years up close and in color.
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ShowMeBuck
You know what? Chicken butt.
I’m going to go ahead and mention the portal recruiting this year, because make no mistake, it’s absolutely part of recruiting now. To me, I give the staff an A or A- for the portal this year.
Defensive recruiting absolutely needs to get better but the OT from SoCal is #1 priority for me then Bolden, then the D Line guys, then Scott.
If Scott wants to be a villain then I am glad he won’t be in a Buckeye uniform.
Defensive recruiting absolutely needs to get better but the OT from SoCal is #1 priority for me then Bolden, then the D Line guys, then Scott.
If Scott wants to be a villain then I am glad he won’t be in a Buckeye uniform.
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#1 we are good...Marshall is the only one we wanted and lost to ttun in Day's tenure as HC if I recall correctly. The rest is a no..
.painfully close every time, but hopefully that gets remedied this year. Recruiting may slow down if we don't take care of 2-4 on your list. It'll happen, just hoping for instant gratification on your list.
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osuvictory1
Just a schlub from Y-town
It's painful, but I believe he is trying, and growing. He may well be on the Kirby Smart trajectory. The first couple were rough ones for Smart.
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