2018 tOSU Recruiting Discussion

[TampaBuckeyes]

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I'm guessing I just don't understand how they calculate rankings, but it seems like we should be first with 1 more recruit and a higher average.

From 247, they weight the top of the class more than the bottom:

• Each recruit is weighted in the rankings according to a GAUSSIAN DISTRIBUTION FORMULA (a bell curve), where a team's best recruit is worth the most points. You can think of a team's point score as being the sum of ratings of all the team's commits where the best recruit is worth 100% of his rating value, the second best recruit is worth nearly 100% of his rating value, down to the last recruit who is worth a small fraction of his rating value. This formula ensures that all commits contribute at least some value to the team's score without heavily rewarding teams that have several more commitments than others.

They have 3 players in the top 10, 5 in the top 20, we have 0 in the top 10, 2 in the top 20, That gives them a big edge. Outside the top 20 is where our class begins to shine we've got 10 in the 20-100 range to their 5. Combine that with we've only got 4 players outside the top 247, they have 9 (their JUCO falls outside the top 250 when you place them based on ranking whereas Jackson would be 180) and we've got a higher average.

 

[Bill Lucas]

It still shows up as osu #2 for me...notice even our point totals are different in our pictures.

Because you're looking at the 247 Composite rankings (which is the one I look at). It's a blended ranking from all of the major sites.

 

[mendensa]

I read some where yesterday (sorry, no link) that the #1 spot basically comes down to 2 recruits: If UGA lands Campbell (like expected), the only way OSU can overtake them for the #1 spot is if they land NPF and another highly rated recruit. Recruiting rankings are based off the top 25 in the class (I believe), so that teams that bring in 30+ don't have an advantage. So, OSU won't be able to accumulate enough points needed to surpass UGA if they don't land NPF, no matter who else they finish with.

 

[Powair7s]

From 247, they weight the top of the class more than the bottom:

• Each recruit is weighted in the rankings according to a GAUSSIAN DISTRIBUTION FORMULA (a bell curve), where a team's best recruit is worth the most points. You can think of a team's point score as being the sum of ratings of all the team's commits where the best recruit is worth 100% of his rating value, the second best recruit is worth nearly 100% of his rating value, down to the last recruit who is worth a small fraction of his rating value. This formula ensures that all commits contribute at least some value to the team's score without heavily rewarding teams that have several more commitments than others.

They have 3 players in the top 10, 5 in the top 20, we have 0 in the top 10, 2 in the top 20, That gives them a big edge. Outside the top 20 is where our class begins to shine we've got 10 in the 20-100 range to their 5. Combine that with we've only got 4 players outside the top 247, they have 9 (their JUCO falls outside the top 250 when you place them based on ranking whereas Jackson would be 180) and we've got a higher average.

Understand what you are saying...but given our average is better than their average, it seems like we have a better class. Not sure why youbwpuld weight the top 20 higher when it's already built into each players composite ranking. (The higher the player, the closer their score to 100)

 

[MaxBuck]

Understand what you are saying...but given our average is better than their average, it seems like we have a better class. Not sure why youbwpuld weight the top 20 higher when it's already built into each players composite ranking. (The higher the player, the closer their score to 100)

It seems reasonable to me. Really transcendent players are what leads to championships.

 

[mendensa]

Whether we finish #1 vs. #2 doesn't really matter. Meyer and staff continue to put together top 5 classes, which keeps us in the CFP conversation every year.

They might have a few more 5* guys at the top but I like the sheer quantity and quality of high-end 4* talent we have throughout the entire class..... And filling needs as they look to close with a bang. Another quality OL and u can put a bow on top of the 2018 class.

 

[ScriptOhio]

Michigan Monday: Hey, How’s Recruiting Going?

We are a little over two weeks away from the second and final signing day of the 2018 recruiting cycle, and as you might expect, Ohio State and Michigan are right at the top of the Big Ten standings in recruiting rankings.

Well, that’s not entirely true. The Buckeyes are at the top and the Wolverines are No. 3 behind Penn State.

Still, first and third are pretty close, right?

Not always.

The Buckeyes have the No. 1 class in the conference (and No. 2 in the nation) so far with 309.90 points. The points come from 247’s own particular formulas based on where commits/signees are ranked in the composite scores of all of the major recruiting services. Michigan comes in third in the B1G with 235.79 points, which isn’t bad. It’s also good for No. 14 in the nation.

The difference, however, comes not from the separation in the Big Ten rankings, but in the points that determine those rankings. Michigan is closer to the worst recruiting class in the conference (Northwestern at 174.03) than they are to Ohio State’s recruiting class.

Even more amazingly, Michigan is closer to the No. 64 class in the nation (Houston) than they are to the Buckeyes.

Maybe globe-trotting during the spring wasn’t the recruiting boon that we all thought it was.

Now this is the part of the show where we put the disclaimer saying that recruiting rankings are not the end-all, be-all. That being said, recruiting absolutely is the end-all, be-all, and right now Michigan isn’t doing it nearly as well as Ohio State.

This isn’t new, of course. The Buckeyes have finished ahead of the Wolverines in the last eight recruiting classes, assuming it is safe enough to call the 2018 recruiting cycle won.

So, no, recruiting rankings won’t guarantee you anything, but considering that Ohio State has won six in a row on the field, it’s about as close as you can get to a sure thing.

And it is that “sure thing” that is so jarring when looking at Michigan’s current recruiting class compared to Ohio State.

OSU currently has 23 commits/signees compared to UM’s 20, and that’s about as close as things get between these two classes.

For instance, 12 members of Ohio State’s recruiting class are ranked in the Top 100 of the Composite, and that’s not even counting defensive tackle Antwuan Jackson who is ranked as the No. 1 junior college prospect in the nation. Compare that to just one member of Michigan’s class — Georgia linebacker Otis Reese (No. 77) — in the Top 100.

Reese would be the 12th-highest rated recruit in Ohio State’s class. And again, that’s not including Antwuan Jackson. In other words, Michigan’s “best” recruit would be in the bottom half of Ohio State’s recruiting class right now.

If you are interested in another measuring stick, 17 members of OSU’s recruiting class rank in the Top 10 of their respective positions. That’s 74% of the class, and they’re still working on a few other prospects who could increase that percentage. Five of Michigan’s commits/signees (25%) are ranked in the Top 10 of their respective positions, which is pretty good. It also happens to be the same number of Buckeyes ranked No. 1 overall at their respective positions.

Michigan has 10 commits/signees ranked in the 500s or lower. That’s half of their class. Half of Ohio State’s class, meanwhile, is ranked in the Top 76. Michigan has gone to Missouri and Texas and Connecticut and Florida for some of these players. For a comparison, two of OSU’s signees are ranked in the 500s or lower. One is from Columbus and the other is the brother of former OSU All-American safety Malik Hooker.

Ohio State is competing with Alabama and Clemson and Georgia for recruits. Michigan is competing with Missouri, Georgia Tech, and Connecticut.

Entire article: https://theozone.net/2018/01/michigan-monday-hey-hows-recruiting-going/

 

[Smudger]

 

[NFBuck]

So, tOSU has commitments from the following ranked recruits (per 247 composite):
18, 21, 30, 33, 45, 54, 55, 65, 71, 73, 78, 85, 115, 126, 162, 215, 228, 235, 311, 381, 600, 625. Also, the #1 JUCO player in the country. That's 12 in the top-100, 14 in the top-150, 18 in the top-250.

scUM has:
82*, 144, 158, 167, 168, 201, 264, 330, 383, 500, 547, 578, 609, 631, 686, 731, 779, 937, NA, NA, NA. That's 1 top-100 (a very soft verbal), 2 top-150, and 6 top-250. We have THREE TIMES as many top 250 commits.

You want some simplistic math? The average ranking of an OSU recruit is 164.8, scUM? 518.8 (giving them a generous 1000 for each unranked recruit). We have two recruits ranked outside the top 500, or 8.6% of our class. They have 12, or 57.1%. Our average recruit is higher than all but four of theirs, and again, one is a soft verbal.

The talent gap isn't just widening, it's getting blown apart.

 

[mendensa]

Hearing more positive news about Michael Tarquin, OT from FL as a possible late addition to this class. 4* kid with good size and ranked #165 and the 19th ranked tackle in 247 composite ratings. No thread on this kid yet?

NM, found it. He's in the 2019 class.

 

[NFBuck]

So, tOSU has commitments from the following ranked recruits (per 247 composite):
18, 21, 30, 33, 45, 54, 55, 65, 71, 73, 78, 85, 115, 126, 162, 215, 228, 235, 311, 381, 600, 625. Also, the #1 JUCO player in the country. That's 12 in the top-100, 14 in the top-150, 18 in the top-250.

scUM has:
82*, 144, 158, 167, 168, 201, 264, 330, 383, 500, 547, 578, 609, 631, 686, 731, 779, 937, NA, NA, NA. That's 1 top-100 (a very soft verbal), 2 top-150, and 6 top-250. We have THREE TIMES as many top 250 commits.

You want some simplistic math? The average ranking of an OSU recruit is 164.8, scUM? 518.8 (giving them a generous 1000 for each unranked recruit). We have two recruits ranked outside the top 500, or 8.6% of our class. They have 12, or 57.1%. Our average recruit is higher than all but four of theirs, and again, one is a soft verbal.

The talent gap isn't just widening, it's getting blown apart.

Also worth noting that they have 8 commitments (or almost 40% of their class) ranked lower than our lowest ranked player.

 

[pnuts34]

So, tOSU has commitments from the following ranked recruits (per 247 composite):
18, 21, 30, 33, 45, 54, 55, 65, 71, 73, 78, 85, 115, 126, 162, 215, 228, 235, 311, 381, 600, 625. Also, the #1 JUCO player in the country. That's 12 in the top-100, 14 in the top-150, 18 in the top-250.

scUM has:
82*, 144, 158, 167, 168, 201, 264, 330, 383, 500, 547, 578, 609, 631, 686, 731, 779, 937, NA, NA, NA. That's 1 top-100 (a very soft verbal), 2 top-150, and 6 top-250. We have THREE TIMES as many top 250 commits.

You want some simplistic math? The average ranking of an OSU recruit is 164.8, scUM? 518.8 (giving them a generous 1000 for each unranked recruit). We have two recruits ranked outside the top 500, or 8.6% of our class. They have 12, or 57.1%. Our average recruit is higher than all but four of theirs, and again, one is a soft verbal.

The talent gap isn't just widening, it's getting blown apart.

Yeah, but Hairball is getting HIS guys in the class...

 

[LordJeffBuck]

Yeah, but Hairball is getting HIS guys in the class...

The prevailing view in scUMland is that Harbrau's 3-star recruits have "heart" ... "toughness" ... "attitude" ... "determination" ... and that these alleged qualities make them better college prospects that Meyer's top-100 recruits. As if top-100 recruits don't have heart, toughness, attitude, determination, etc. to go along with superior talent.

Also, scUM fan is convinced that Harbrau's lone top-100 recruit, Otis Reese, will stick with Michigan despite mountains of evidence to the contrary. And of course, Otis Reese has now achieved savior-like status with scUM fan, kinda like Jabroni Peppers and Rashaun Gary from previous recruiting classes.

 

[buckeyemania11]

The prevailing view in scUMland is that Harbrau's 3-star recruits have "heart" ... "toughness" ... "attitude" ... "determination" ... and that these alleged qualities make them better college prospects that Meyer's top-100 recruits. As if top-100 recruits don't have heart, toughness, attitude, determination, etc. to go along with superior talent.

Also, scUM fan is convinced that Harbrau's lone top-100 recruit, Otis Reese, will stick with Michigan despite mountains of evidence to the contrary. And of course, Otis Reese has now achieved savior-like status with scUM fan, kinda like Jabroni Peppers and Rashaun Gary from previous recruiting classes.

At least Peppers and Gary were top 5 prospects in their classes

Reese is what, #80 in the 247 composite? Their standards have even dipped low for their "saviors"

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

The prevailing view in scUMland is that Harbrau's 3-star recruits have "heart" ... "toughness" ... "attitude" ... "determination" ... and that these alleged qualities make them better college prospects that Meyer's top-100 recruits. As if top-100 recruits don't have heart, toughness, attitude, determination, etc. to go along with superior talent.

Also, scUM fan is convinced that Harbrau's lone top-100 recruit, Otis Reese, will stick with Michigan despite mountains of evidence to the contrary. And of course, Otis Reese has now achieved savior-like status with scUM fan, kinda like Jabroni Peppers and Rashaun Gary from previous recruiting classes.

Surely somebody could just point them to the 90s when MSU was using this argument against them.......that would work, right?