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tOSU Recruiting Discussion

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bukIpower said:
Wasn't Green the RB from Virginia that is currently the backup at scUM a former 5 star?

I'd be pumped with either and you have to imagine we get one of the two. So either way with one of them coming in early and Mike Weber coming back I like where we are at RB.
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Green was a 5 star that our staff passed on because they thought EzE was better. They were right.

Walker is a 5 star that our staff went after as a soph (I think) and got him. If he flips (to Michigan of all places), it's not going to be the same thing.
 
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OH10 said:
In the videos I've seen, Walker is faster, much quicker on the edge, better pass catcher, and better pass blocker. Williams is a better runner, between the tackles, and after contact. They're just not the same player.
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I don't disagree with what you're saying, but I'm not sure I'd include pass blocking from viewing their highlight videos.
 
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BuckeyeNation27 said:
Green was a 5 star that our staff passed on because they thought EzE was better. They were right.

Walker is a 5 star that our staff went after as a soph (I think) and got him. If he flips (to Michigan of all places), it's not going to be the same thing.
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Also if I am correct, green was only a 5 star on a few sites....Walker is pretty much a 5 star on every site...and green was never commited to OSU...if this flip were to happen it would be the first this has happened since Kyle Kalis
 
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If he does decommit, it's certainly not a foregone conclusion he ends up at scUM. He's still got OVs planned to Alabama, Ole Miss and Arizona State. The former two listed would certainly be teams to keep an eye on should Walker move on from OSU.
 
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y0yoyoin said:
Also if I am correct, green was only a 5 star on a few sites....Walker is pretty much a 5 star on every site...and green was never commited to OSU...if this flip were to happen it would be the first this has happened since Kyle Kalis
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Walker isn't a 5-star on 247 or even a top 100 player. Of course, that seems to be based on his camp performances, which really don't matter.
 
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sflbuck said:
Just curious, does anyone think that if Williams commits this week, OSU will continue to chase Walker. To me next years RB depth chart looks shallow. I don't think Samuel is a 15 to 20 carry "feature" back and nobody else has shown they anything close to Zeke's level in games. With Weber injured, RB in 2016 is a big question mark to me.
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In the Urban Meyer offense, he doesn't really NEED a lead RB, IMO. His "lead RB" at UF was Tebow. We've been blessed to have Hyde, but he and Braxton didn't have the offense running as efficiently as last year who's lead RB was EzE. The ball will he spread around for carries next year, imo with carries going to Barrett, Samuel, Weber, Campbell, McCall, Wilson and not to forget Dunn/Ball. Enough carries to go around, as our offense isn't a RB heavy system like UGA, LSU, Arky or Bama. Samuel can be a "feature RB" with 15-20 touches(10-15car). Hope that makes sense.
 
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pnuts34 said:
In the Urban Meyer offense, he doesn't really NEED a lead RB, IMO. His "lead RB" at UF was Tebow. We've been blessed to have Hyde, but he and Braxton didn't have the offense running as efficiently as last year who's lead RB was EzE. The ball will he spread around for carries next year, imo with carries going to Barrett, Samuel, Weber, Campbell, McCall, Wilson and not to forget Dunn/Ball. Enough carries to go around, as our offense isn't a RB heavy system like UGA, LSU, Arky or Bama. Samuel can be a "feature RB" with 15-20 touches(10-15car). Hope that makes sense.
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Yes, he does need that lead RB. See how his offense sputtered after he didn't have the bell cow to lean on. Tebow was the de facto RB.
 
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sflbuck said:
Just curious, does anyone think that if Williams commits this week, OSU will continue to chase Walker. To me next years RB depth chart looks shallow. I don't think Samuel is a 15 to 20 carry "feature" back and nobody else has shown they anything close to Zeke's level in games. With Weber injured, RB in 2016 is a big question mark to me.
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Weber's injury was minor, and he's able to play right now.
 
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BuckeyeNation27 said:
Green was a 5 star that our staff passed on because they thought EzE was better. They were right.

Walker is a 5 star that our staff went after as a soph (I think) and got him. If he flips (to Michigan of all places), it's not going to be the same thing.
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Odd you mention that... To me when I watch Williams It's like watching Zeke and when I watch Walker it's like watching Green (not comparing Walker to Green, but just that the film of Williams stands out more it seems).

Zeke went to a small school as does Williams. If you watch Williams' film it's full of long TD strikes and broken tackles (just like Zeke's) and while you see the obvious talent with Walker it doesn't POP like Williams does.

I fully anticipate Walker to be much better than Green as you said 27 but I wouldn't be surprised to see Williams have a better college career (given the right system, and that system being ours).
 
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There's no doubt both Walker and Williams are very good running back prospects. That said, I think some fans are more concerned with the perception that our negativity is sour grapes rather than the evaluation itself. Who cares about what other fan bases think? Sometimes in recruiting, what once seemed like a good fit for both sides ends up being a bad fit once they get to know each other. It's ok to prefer an uncommitted player to a committed player. Both backs will probably end up being good college players and for the most part seem like decent dudes, but I can't help but notice one player is trending up and another is trending down.

Walker
Team Record 2008-2012: 36-15-1
Sophomore YPC: 10.1, Team Record: 10-2
Junior YPC: 8.1, Team Record: 8-4
Senior YPC: 6.6 (back-up running back is averaging 6.8), Team Record: 1-4
  • Joined a perennial winner and has gotten worse each season, both individually and as a team.
  • Saw increased interest from a school he's very interested in, visited, put out a vague public message without addressing the team he's committed to, and then proceeded to show public support for the team he visited, which is also the arch rival of the team he's committed to.
  • Received inconsistent, if not disappointing camp performance reviews
  • Missed first quarter of recent nationally televised game for unspecified reasons
Williams
Team Record 2008-2012: 12-42
Sophomore YPC: 7.9, Team Record: 9-4
Junior YPC: 9.8, Team Record: 9-3
Senior YPC: 11.9, Team Record: 5-2
  • Joined a perennial loser, put them on his back, turned them into a winner and has personally gotten better each year.
  • Saw increased interest from a school he's very interested in, immediately publicly decommitted from his previous team and scheduled a visit for that weekend.
  • Received positive camp performance reviews
Plenty of players go through struggles in high school and eventually have great college careers. However, if you're Urban and you've got a guy with one foot out the door who appears to be getting worse as spotlight shines brighter, you might be temped to just shut that door. When a person behind another door has similar talent, is constantly improving and handles his business like an adult, the decision to move on is almost a no brainer.
 
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buchtelgrad04 said:
Yes, he does need that lead RB. See how his offense sputtered after he didn't have the bell cow to lean on. Tebow was the de facto RB.
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since his days at BG, Urban has had a QB in the top 2 rushing, that's how his offense is ran. So Tebow wasn't exactly de facto. And they shouldn't change next year either as JT will probably be in the top 2-3 in rushing regardless of the RB. Also in the offense, screens are also used like carries so that makes a difference as well
 
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RobotParty said:
I think some fans are more concerned with the perception that our negativity is sour grapes rather than the evaluation itself.
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When the evaluation only happens after it looks like one will be lost and the other might be added, it's always going to be suspect. No OSU fan had anybody in the country ranked over Walker a week ago.
 
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