tOSU Recruiting Discussion

[buckeye4ever21]

and there will be decommitments or non renewals to accommodate them. I don't like it but it is a business. And it will accomplish what you want regarding filler guys just in a backwards way.

You can exchange Weber and Harris. You would never add both, and definitely not 3 DTs, so your premise is way off. Cole is so awesome that he has been visiting terrible big ten schools. He has tapered off big time after a bad senior year. That doesn't mean he can't play but he isn't visiting powerhouses nor is he a top target of theirs.

If Gallimore, Harris, Cager, Beckner, Richmond want in, you take them. That won't happen so it won't be an issue of that many. 2-3 of them would be phenomenal and not probable.

The others are plan b guys that move up depending on who takes the other not yet open spots.

Never said 3 DTs only had 2 listed with the possibility of 4 guys for 2 spots. 3 dt's would be possible if the staff doesn't see any depth and likes to rotate 4 guys. Alabi could end up on the offensive line or at DT. Osu really doesn't turn away committed recruits other than Jacobs. That's the only name I can remember. So that's a lot of attrition within. I don't think you read through all my post as I stated some of the stuff you refuted. But between all the guys above listed we could take 2 DT's, 1 RB, 1 WR, 1 OT, 2 CB/S and 1 Ath. I could see the potential of adding 7 to8 of those spots with the talent available. With the talk of only 3 to 4 spots, 7 to 8 would be too many. Briscoe and Taylor aren't plan B guys, it's just not looking like there will be room for another DB spot. Just pointing out that there are a lot of studs out there still in the picture with our class being near capacity.

 

[jwinslow]

Still short on spots if Richmond, Harris, Gallimore, Beckner, Cager and Cole want to come aboard. Briscoe is a 4 star talent and Taylor is tough to turn away too. You could also change out webber for Harris and Wilkins and McLean for the other 2 spots. That's potentially 8 more spots that could end up in this class and we don't have 8 spots. Just saying that turning away 4 of those guys if there's not room wouldn't be maximizing the class. Just saying that I don't think the staff projected this much interest from so many good recruits this late in the process.

This is what you claimed and it does not hold water.

Gallimore, Beckner, Wilkins and McLean all project inside. You can trim away 3 of those guys just by being responsible with your numbers (and realizing you won't have to turn down Gallimore and Beckner). Now you're down to 5. They aren't chasing Cole very hard and frankly no other big time teams are either. Now we're down to 4.

They'd love to have Richmond but he has not trended well. The best way to maximize the class is to get a good player that Warriner can coach up instead of striking out yet again. If Richmond somehow wants in, then you might take him over a guy like Briscoe to fill a late void in the class.

They are maximizing the class by continuing to chase those guys without the spots, which will mean clearing spots among verbals or backups on the roster.

 

[jwinslow]

Never said 3 DTs only had 2 listed with the possibility of 4 guys for 2 spots. 3 dt's would be possible if the staff doesn't see any depth and likes to rotate 4 guys. Alabi could end up on the offensive line or at DT. Osu really doesn't turn away committed recruits other than Jacobs. That's the only name I can remember. So that's a lot of attrition within. I don't think you read through all my post as I stated some of the stuff you refuted. But between all the guys above listed we could take 2 DT's, 1 RB, 1 WR, 1 OT, 2 CB/S and 1 Ath. I could see the potential of adding 7 to8 of those spots with the talent available. With the talk of only 3 to 4 spots, 7 to 8 would be too many. Briscoe and Taylor aren't plan B guys, it's just not looking like there will be room for another DB spot. Just pointing out that there are a lot of studs out there still in the picture with our class being near capacity.

No, it's not possible if you are tight on space and have to address many other needs. Overrecruiting one position to fix a hole is not maximizing the class.

OSU just parted ways with Josh Moore and there will be others.

Briscoe and Taylor are at best questionably rated on OSU's board. It's already been reported that Taylor was on the backburner, though that may be changing. 11Warriors reported (IIRC) that Briscoe was put on hold.

 

[buckeye4ever21]

Just stating i'd rather have those 8 guys and change a few of the earlier prospects. Your arguing isn't going to change my opinion, i've had no problems with any aspects of Meyer's other classes but this year played out a lot different. You obviously haven't watched Briscoe's HUDL highlights, he can play multiple positions and runs well. Not a plan B in my opinion.

 

[ShowMeBuck]

Oh. I get it. You want your cake. But you want to eat it too. Must be nice there in Utopia.

 

[buckeyeintn]

Just stating i'd rather have those 8 guys and change a few of the earlier prospects. Your arguing isn't going to change my opinion, i've had no problems with any aspects of Meyer's other classes but this year played out a lot different. You obviously haven't watched Briscoe's HUDL highlights, he can play multiple positions and runs well. Not a plan B in my opinion.

You weren't addressing me, but I haven't watched any of Briscoe's HUDL highlights. Then again, I haven't watched any HUDL highlights. But I have a feeling Meyer and his staff have done a lot more research on each of the prospect's than watching HUDL highlights. I'm going to trust them on who they rate as Plan A or Plan B and just enjoy the ride.

 

[buckeye4ever21]

You weren't addressing me, but I haven't watched any of Briscoe's HUDL highlights. Then again, I haven't watched any HUDL highlights. But I have a feeling Meyer and his staff have done a lot more research on each of the prospect's than watching HUDL highlights. I'm going to trust them on who they rate as Plan A or Plan B and just enjoy the ride.

Nope just Jwins cause he just tries to start arguments instead of productive recruiting discussion. I'm talking about 7 or 8 potential great position fills for 3 to 4 spots and he still thinks I'm trying to add 3 DT's which I never said.

 

[jwinslow]

Just stating i'd rather have those 8 guys and change a few of the earlier prospects.

Again, your math does not work.

1) They are 4 over 85 right now.

2) To take those 4 (and any of the upcoming verbals), they are already planning on departures from earlier prospects and current scholarship players.

You're looking at players you like rather than class space and balance. You see a weakness at DT and want to throw 4 bodies at it (edit: or would like to if they had held off on early verbals), except that OSU doesn't have room for those 4 and already has to clear space to address other needs (like OL).

They aren't going to take two RBs. The chances of landing Harris are lessening by the day. Beckner has always been a longshot. McLean is not being pursued by OSU. Gallimore likes OSU but is a national recruit. Wilkins is impossible to read.

You obviously haven't watched Briscoe's HUDL highlights, he can play multiple positions and runs well. Not a plan B in my opinion.

I like briscoe a lot. They simply don't have room to just take guys, and that is after they get out of some commitments.

 

[jwinslow]

I'm talking about 7 or 8 potential great position fills for 3 to 4 spots and he still thinks I'm trying to add 3 DT's which I never said.

I'm going by what you typed.

That's potentially 8 more spots that could end up in this class and we don't have 8 spots. Just saying that turning away 4 of those guys if there's not room wouldn't be maximizing the class. Just saying that I don't think the staff projected this much interest from so many good recruits this late in the process.

Lamenting that their early miscalculation means they can't take all 8 guys and properly maximize the class.

 

[ShowMeBuck]

Does anyone have an extra crystal ball and some fairy dust? Urban and his staff are fresh out apparently. It's all downhill from here.

 

[buckeye4ever21]

Again, your math does not work.

1) They are 4 over 85 right now.

2) To take those 4 (and any of the upcoming verbals), they are already planning on departures from earlier prospects and current scholarship players.

You're looking at players you like rather than class space and balance. You see a weakness at DT and want to throw 4 bodies at it, except that OSU doesn't have room for those 4 and already has to clear space to address other needs (like OL).

They aren't going to take two RBs. The chances of landing Harris are lessening by the day. Beckner has always been a longshot. McLean is not being pursued by OSU. Gallimore likes OSU but is a national recruit. Wilkins is impossible to read.
I like briscoe a lot. They simply don't have room to just take guys, and that is after they get out of some commitments.

Well if we take 3-4 more guys then we are 7 or 8 over. Don't see your point again. In my opinion we reached for guys early and would have enough room had we not taken those guys which I'm not going to name. And that's my opinion, i just want to get the best class every year because I want national championships and more domination every year. I said 2 spots at DT max. I said the 4 are interchangeable with only 2 spots available. Beckner and Gallimore are the 1st wants but can also be filled with McLean and Wilkins if the 1st 2 go elsewhere. I am saying there are 4 capable players that are vying to fill 2 spots. It's your comprehension that is messed up.

 

[buchtelgrad04]

Well if we take 3-4 more guys then we are 7 or 8 over. Don't see your point again. In my opinion we reached for guys early and would have enough room had we not taken those guys which I'm not going to name. And that's my opinion, i just want to get the best class every year because I want national championships and more domination every year. I said 2 spots at DT max. I said the 4 are interchangeable with only 2 spots available. Beckner and Gallimore are the 1st wants but can also be filled with McLean and Wilkins if the 1st 2 go elsewhere. I am saying there are 4 capable players that are vying to fill 2 spots. It's your comprehension that is messed up.

Based on what? Why is that your opinion and how did you come to this?

 

[jwinslow]

Well if we take 3-4 more guys then we are 7 or 8 over. Don't see your point again. In my opinion we reached for guys early and would have enough room had we not taken those guys which I'm not going to name. And that's my opinion, i just want to get the best class every year because I want national championships and more domination every year. I said 2 spots at DT max. I said the 4 are interchangeable with only 2 spots available. Beckner and Gallimore are the 1st wants but can also be filled with McLean and Wilkins if the 1st 2 go elsewhere. I am saying there are 4 capable players that are vying to fill 2 spots. It's your comprehension that is messed up.

Except they will take more than 2 more players if they are the right players.

Since you keep saying conflicting things, let's clear it up:

If you could magically go back and undo the verbals you dislike, how many of those 8 do you want?

 

[pnuts34]

I believe we have a great class so far, and I'm sure every year we can say we want other guys with more stars next to their names. But this is a very balanced and complete class to back up the monster class we had last year. Our finish, regardless of the group will still be astounding. I honestly don't know of a player I'd want to give up that's currently committed because I can already picture them putting I. Work and developing with their position coach. Gallimore is the only realistic shot at a DT we have since Wilkins is such a question mark and Beckner and McLean are stretch to be blunt. The staff feels confident with Harris or Weber, one will be a Buckeye, same is the scenario with Taylor and Briscoe. Richmond is a guy who is also a stretch but is in if he wants it. That's basically it as far as the guys mentioned.

 

[Muck]

Based on what? Why is that your opinion and how did you come to this?

Just remember you're asking that of someone who stated the following...

The coaching staff ... don't know anymore than we do about how a players career will turn out over the next 4 years.

He actually believes his opinion is as valid as those of the coaches.