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Urban Meyer’s ‘misfit’ 2015 Ohio State class: Is change is around the corner for ‘bad’ Buckeyes’ recruiting class?
Ohio State linemen Isaiah Prince (left) and Matt Burrell are part of a 2015 recruiting class that may finally be coming into its own.
One of the things that people generally like about Urban Meyer is that he doesn’t hold back his feelings. The sixth-year Ohio State head coach has led an unprecedented run of success for the Buckeyes, on and off the field.
The lifeblood of that success, is of course, recruiting. Ohio State has landed the Big Ten’s top-ranked recruiting class each year of Meyer’s tenure and each class has finished as a Top 5 class nationally … except one.
The 2015 class. That group finished seventh, which would be plenty good for most schools, but it’s a down year for the Buckeyes. To make matters worse, that recruiting class has contributed very little to Ohio State’s on-field success so far. This spring, Meyer has been his typical, pull-n0-punches self when asked about that class and on Tuesday morning, he doubled-down on the notion that the 2015 class has not lived up to its expectations — or Ohio State’s standards — yet.
“The last two classes (2016 and 2017) are exactly what you look for, on and off the field,” Meyer told the media Tuesday. “The 2015 class has received a lot of it, and it’s very justified. That was not a good class.”
There are any number of reasons an entire recruiting class earns that label, but when you consider the situation that the 2015 group walked into, it’s a bit easier to understand how some guys may have drifted into no man’s land. Following the Buckeyes’ national championship run that ended in January 2015, an entire recruiting class came to Columbus with an understanding: you are probably not going to play this year. That concession is the first step on the road to complacency. Ohio State was returning a group of stars that included Cardale Jones, Braxton Miller, J.T. Barrett, Ezekiel Elliott, Mike Thomas, Jalin Marshall, Joey Bosa, Darron Lee, etc.
A year later, a very talented 2016 recruiting class walked into a locker room with 16 starting spots open and have earned a ton of praise from Meyer for its willingness to work. Timing, in a lot of cases, is everything. But it’s not the only thing.
On a case-by-case basis, you can see the ups and downs of the 2015 class. There have been success stories such as Mike Weber, and unexpected stars like Jerome Baker, in that group. The final three players to commit to the Buckeyes that year were K.J. Hill, Isaiah Prince and Weber, and those players ought not get lost in the shuffle. Dre’mont Jones is on the verge of stardom at defensive tackle. Denzel Ward and Damon Arnette are potential lockdown cornerbacks set to take over for two future NFL first round picks. It’s not all bad.
Entire article: https://www.landof10.com/ohio-state...around-corner-bad-ohio-state-recruiting-class
Ohio State linemen Isaiah Prince (left) and Matt Burrell are part of a 2015 recruiting class that may finally be coming into its own.
One of the things that people generally like about Urban Meyer is that he doesn’t hold back his feelings. The sixth-year Ohio State head coach has led an unprecedented run of success for the Buckeyes, on and off the field.
The lifeblood of that success, is of course, recruiting. Ohio State has landed the Big Ten’s top-ranked recruiting class each year of Meyer’s tenure and each class has finished as a Top 5 class nationally … except one.
The 2015 class. That group finished seventh, which would be plenty good for most schools, but it’s a down year for the Buckeyes. To make matters worse, that recruiting class has contributed very little to Ohio State’s on-field success so far. This spring, Meyer has been his typical, pull-n0-punches self when asked about that class and on Tuesday morning, he doubled-down on the notion that the 2015 class has not lived up to its expectations — or Ohio State’s standards — yet.
“The last two classes (2016 and 2017) are exactly what you look for, on and off the field,” Meyer told the media Tuesday. “The 2015 class has received a lot of it, and it’s very justified. That was not a good class.”
There are any number of reasons an entire recruiting class earns that label, but when you consider the situation that the 2015 group walked into, it’s a bit easier to understand how some guys may have drifted into no man’s land. Following the Buckeyes’ national championship run that ended in January 2015, an entire recruiting class came to Columbus with an understanding: you are probably not going to play this year. That concession is the first step on the road to complacency. Ohio State was returning a group of stars that included Cardale Jones, Braxton Miller, J.T. Barrett, Ezekiel Elliott, Mike Thomas, Jalin Marshall, Joey Bosa, Darron Lee, etc.
A year later, a very talented 2016 recruiting class walked into a locker room with 16 starting spots open and have earned a ton of praise from Meyer for its willingness to work. Timing, in a lot of cases, is everything. But it’s not the only thing.
On a case-by-case basis, you can see the ups and downs of the 2015 class. There have been success stories such as Mike Weber, and unexpected stars like Jerome Baker, in that group. The final three players to commit to the Buckeyes that year were K.J. Hill, Isaiah Prince and Weber, and those players ought not get lost in the shuffle. Dre’mont Jones is on the verge of stardom at defensive tackle. Denzel Ward and Damon Arnette are potential lockdown cornerbacks set to take over for two future NFL first round picks. It’s not all bad.
Entire article: https://www.landof10.com/ohio-state...around-corner-bad-ohio-state-recruiting-class
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https://www.landof10.com/ohio-state/ohio-state-football-2015-recruiting-class-attrition
Ohio State’s 2015 recruiting class has been swamped by attrition
Urban Meyer's 2015 recruiting class has lost nearly half its members already.
Ryan Ginn
Posted 2 hours ago
COLUMBUS, Ohio — Three years in, half of the 26 members of Ohio State’s Class of 2015 that enrolled are already gone.
Only two of those 13 players are in the NFL. Denzel Ward was taken fourth overall in the 2018 NFL Draft and Jerome Baker was selected in the third round, but the rest of those players have departed under circumstances that weren’t ideal. They’ve either transferred or been medically disqualified or dismissed from the team. Those 11 players combined for exactly one start in their Ohio State careers, which came when A.J. Alexander was part of a two-tight end set on the opening play against Penn State in 2016.
Ohio State’s class of 2015 has seen a bunch of attrition. (Ryan Ginn/Land of 10)
The struggles of that group shouldn’t come as a complete surprise. It’s the biggest class Ohio State coach Urban Meyer has signed in his time in Columbus but also the lowest ranked. It’s the only one of Meyer’s seven recruiting classes that didn’t rank in the top 5 of the 247Sports composite rankings, coming in at No. 7 despite its large size.
Compounding that is the fact that it was sandwiched between several great classes and also arrived at the worst possible time. In 2015, Ohio State returned so many starters and contributors from the 2014 national championship team that just four players from the Class of 2015 saw the field in their first season. The players from the 2013 class — one of the most productive in program history — helped keep them off the field, as did the young stars from the 2014 class. And in the three seasons since, Ohio State has signed the No. 4 class in 2016 and No. 2 classes in 2017 and 2018. Those last two classes have the two highest-average player ratings of any school in the history of recruiting rankings.
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Ohio State’s 2015 recruiting class has been swamped by attrition
Urban Meyer's 2015 recruiting class has lost nearly half its members already.
Ryan Ginn
Posted 2 hours ago
COLUMBUS, Ohio — Three years in, half of the 26 members of Ohio State’s Class of 2015 that enrolled are already gone.
Only two of those 13 players are in the NFL. Denzel Ward was taken fourth overall in the 2018 NFL Draft and Jerome Baker was selected in the third round, but the rest of those players have departed under circumstances that weren’t ideal. They’ve either transferred or been medically disqualified or dismissed from the team. Those 11 players combined for exactly one start in their Ohio State careers, which came when A.J. Alexander was part of a two-tight end set on the opening play against Penn State in 2016.
Ohio State’s class of 2015 has seen a bunch of attrition. (Ryan Ginn/Land of 10)
The struggles of that group shouldn’t come as a complete surprise. It’s the biggest class Ohio State coach Urban Meyer has signed in his time in Columbus but also the lowest ranked. It’s the only one of Meyer’s seven recruiting classes that didn’t rank in the top 5 of the 247Sports composite rankings, coming in at No. 7 despite its large size.
Compounding that is the fact that it was sandwiched between several great classes and also arrived at the worst possible time. In 2015, Ohio State returned so many starters and contributors from the 2014 national championship team that just four players from the Class of 2015 saw the field in their first season. The players from the 2013 class — one of the most productive in program history — helped keep them off the field, as did the young stars from the 2014 class. And in the three seasons since, Ohio State has signed the No. 4 class in 2016 and No. 2 classes in 2017 and 2018. Those last two classes have the two highest-average player ratings of any school in the history of recruiting rankings.
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Recruiting Misses in 2015 Class Hurting Buckeyes Now
Urban Meyer hasn’t done it yet this year, but in the past he has lamented the slow boil of the 2015 recruiting class. Over the past two years, he has shared his collective disappointment in the class and their low production output when compared to other classes.
And it wasn’t because they weren’t playing. Some of them were playing, but they weren’t playing as well as they needed to, and the rest of the class wasn’t even doing that well.
The 2015 class is now in its fourth year at Ohio State and how the Buckeyes respond to their latest collision with adversity will depend greatly on those fourth-year players who have been through this situation before.
The problem, however, is that Urban Meyer signed 26 players in the 2015 class and just 13 of them remain today.
Only four of them played as true freshmen in 2015, which gives you an idea of just how ready they weren’t for college football. Two of the four — Denzel Ward and Jerome Baker — left early for the NFL after the 2017 season. A third — Eric Glover-Williams — left the program over a year ago. Right tackle Isaiah Prince is the only true senior remaining on the team.
Following the loss to Purdue on Saturday, fifth-year senior Terry McLaurin said that what got the Buckeyes through the Iowa loss last year was that the team stayed together. They never fell apart or pointed fingers. Leadership kept the team together.
The same will have to happen now, and it can’t just be the handful of fifth-year seniors like McLaurin who make it happen. The remaining members of the 2015 class have to make it happen as well.
But how many of them are actually in a position of leadership?
Right tackle Isaiah Prince is the only captain among the fourth-year players. He was also one of the players who stood up after Saturday night’s loss and talked to the team. A year ago, it was Billy Price doing the talking following the Iowa loss.
Prince can’t be the only leader among the 2015 class. Dre’Mont Jones, Robert Landers, and K.J. Hill have to be there as well, and they no doubt are. But it has to mean something.
Of course, maybe leadership is overrated. Last year’s team was loaded with fifth-year seniors like J.T. Barrett and Iowa still happened.
Right now, the Buckeyes need focus and they need production, and both seem compromised.
In 2015, there were a number of Buckeyes seemingly with one foot out the door and headed for the NFL. It’s an amazing distraction. The same could happen with Jones, Hill, Damon Arnette, or Mike Weber, each of whom entered this season expecting it to be their last.
That can either be a motivator or a distraction. It depends on the player.
With the way Ohio State and Meyer have recruited, there’s never going to be an overwhelming number of fourth-year players on the roster, but the percentages were higher in 2015, 2016, and 2017 than they are now.
And you never heard Meyer complaining about the 2012, 2013, or 2014 classes.
Entire article: https://theozone.net/2018/10/recruiting-misses-hurting-buckeyes/
Urban Meyer hasn’t done it yet this year, but in the past he has lamented the slow boil of the 2015 recruiting class. Over the past two years, he has shared his collective disappointment in the class and their low production output when compared to other classes.
And it wasn’t because they weren’t playing. Some of them were playing, but they weren’t playing as well as they needed to, and the rest of the class wasn’t even doing that well.
The 2015 class is now in its fourth year at Ohio State and how the Buckeyes respond to their latest collision with adversity will depend greatly on those fourth-year players who have been through this situation before.
The problem, however, is that Urban Meyer signed 26 players in the 2015 class and just 13 of them remain today.
Only four of them played as true freshmen in 2015, which gives you an idea of just how ready they weren’t for college football. Two of the four — Denzel Ward and Jerome Baker — left early for the NFL after the 2017 season. A third — Eric Glover-Williams — left the program over a year ago. Right tackle Isaiah Prince is the only true senior remaining on the team.
Following the loss to Purdue on Saturday, fifth-year senior Terry McLaurin said that what got the Buckeyes through the Iowa loss last year was that the team stayed together. They never fell apart or pointed fingers. Leadership kept the team together.
The same will have to happen now, and it can’t just be the handful of fifth-year seniors like McLaurin who make it happen. The remaining members of the 2015 class have to make it happen as well.
But how many of them are actually in a position of leadership?
Right tackle Isaiah Prince is the only captain among the fourth-year players. He was also one of the players who stood up after Saturday night’s loss and talked to the team. A year ago, it was Billy Price doing the talking following the Iowa loss.
Prince can’t be the only leader among the 2015 class. Dre’Mont Jones, Robert Landers, and K.J. Hill have to be there as well, and they no doubt are. But it has to mean something.
Of course, maybe leadership is overrated. Last year’s team was loaded with fifth-year seniors like J.T. Barrett and Iowa still happened.
Right now, the Buckeyes need focus and they need production, and both seem compromised.
In 2015, there were a number of Buckeyes seemingly with one foot out the door and headed for the NFL. It’s an amazing distraction. The same could happen with Jones, Hill, Damon Arnette, or Mike Weber, each of whom entered this season expecting it to be their last.
That can either be a motivator or a distraction. It depends on the player.
With the way Ohio State and Meyer have recruited, there’s never going to be an overwhelming number of fourth-year players on the roster, but the percentages were higher in 2015, 2016, and 2017 than they are now.
And you never heard Meyer complaining about the 2012, 2013, or 2014 classes.
Entire article: https://theozone.net/2018/10/recruiting-misses-hurting-buckeyes/
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SKULL SESSION: PREDICTING THE NATIONAL TITLE GAME, A LOOK BACK AT THE 2015 CLASS, AND DWAYNE HASKINS COULD GO TOP-FIVE
LOOKING BACK AT THE 2015 CLASS. Looking back at old recruiting classes is always a hilarious exercise, but it's even more hilarious to look at the class that was notoriously Urban Meyer's worst at Ohio State.
In the spirit of signing day, we're doing just that!
From Max Olson of The Athletic ($):
35. Justin Hilliard, LB, Ohio State: Hilliard had to battle through injuries early in his Ohio State career, including two torn biceps and a torn left meniscus. He’s primarily been a special teams contributor for the Buckeyes, playing in 30 games with one career start.
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61. Jerome Baker, LB, Ohio State: Baker developed into a two-year starter and was the Buckeyes’ leading tackler in 2017. He declared for the draft, was a third-round pick and started 11 games for the Miami Dolphins as a rookie.
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75. Mike Weber, RB, Ohio State: Weber declared for the NFL Draft after rushing for 2,676 yards and 24 touchdowns over three seasons.
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82. Torrance Gibson, ATH, Ohio State: The quarterback/receiver was suspended at Ohio State, transferred to Cincinnati, transferred to Mississippi Gulf Coast Community College and then had a brief stint with the CFL’s Edmonton Eskimos last year.
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95. Jashon Cornell, DE, Ohio State: The backup defensive end made his first career start in 2018 and has recorded 33 tackles and three sacks in 31 career games.
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99. Eric Glover-Williams, CB, Ohio State: After being dismissed from Ohio State in 2017, Glover-Williams enrolled at a junior college and then transferred to Slippery Rock, where he started seven games last season and earned second-team all-conference honors.
I'll admit that Torrance Gibson and Eric Glover-Williams were the two players I was most excited to watch in this class.
Moral of the story, don't have hopes of any kind about anything.
Entire article: https://www.elevenwarriors.com/skul...labama-dwanye-haskins-top-five-pick-nfl-draft
LOOKING BACK AT THE 2015 CLASS. Looking back at old recruiting classes is always a hilarious exercise, but it's even more hilarious to look at the class that was notoriously Urban Meyer's worst at Ohio State.
In the spirit of signing day, we're doing just that!
From Max Olson of The Athletic ($):
35. Justin Hilliard, LB, Ohio State: Hilliard had to battle through injuries early in his Ohio State career, including two torn biceps and a torn left meniscus. He’s primarily been a special teams contributor for the Buckeyes, playing in 30 games with one career start.
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61. Jerome Baker, LB, Ohio State: Baker developed into a two-year starter and was the Buckeyes’ leading tackler in 2017. He declared for the draft, was a third-round pick and started 11 games for the Miami Dolphins as a rookie.
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75. Mike Weber, RB, Ohio State: Weber declared for the NFL Draft after rushing for 2,676 yards and 24 touchdowns over three seasons.
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82. Torrance Gibson, ATH, Ohio State: The quarterback/receiver was suspended at Ohio State, transferred to Cincinnati, transferred to Mississippi Gulf Coast Community College and then had a brief stint with the CFL’s Edmonton Eskimos last year.
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95. Jashon Cornell, DE, Ohio State: The backup defensive end made his first career start in 2018 and has recorded 33 tackles and three sacks in 31 career games.
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99. Eric Glover-Williams, CB, Ohio State: After being dismissed from Ohio State in 2017, Glover-Williams enrolled at a junior college and then transferred to Slippery Rock, where he started seven games last season and earned second-team all-conference honors.
I'll admit that Torrance Gibson and Eric Glover-Williams were the two players I was most excited to watch in this class.
Moral of the story, don't have hopes of any kind about anything.
Entire article: https://www.elevenwarriors.com/skul...labama-dwanye-haskins-top-five-pick-nfl-draft
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TBT. Remember when the narrative about that 2015 Ohio State recruiting class was that it kinda sucked?
Tell that to this video.
I think those lads turned out fine.
That's a Heisman winner, a Buckeye captain, perhaps the most improved player on the roster, and the best long snapper in the country.
Being 100 percent genuine, did Liam McCullough live up to the hype more than most highly-touted players in Ohio State history? Dude was billed as the top long snapper in the country, and five years later, he's the best damn long snapper in the country.
Entire article: https://www.elevenwarriors.com/skul...-shedding-weight-and-aaron-craft-prepares-for
Re: a Heisman winner
Unfortunately he didn't win it in an Ohio State uniform.
Tell that to this video.
I think those lads turned out fine.
That's a Heisman winner, a Buckeye captain, perhaps the most improved player on the roster, and the best long snapper in the country.
Being 100 percent genuine, did Liam McCullough live up to the hype more than most highly-touted players in Ohio State history? Dude was billed as the top long snapper in the country, and five years later, he's the best damn long snapper in the country.
Entire article: https://www.elevenwarriors.com/skul...-shedding-weight-and-aaron-craft-prepares-for
Re: a Heisman winner
Unfortunately he didn't win it in an Ohio State uniform.
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