tOSU Recruiting Discussion

[ant80]

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More work for you Muck!

 

[maximumblitz]

I personally think of Georgia Tech Jeff Greene as an additional recruit, though technically, he is a walk on.

 

[Muck]

I personally think of Georgia Tech Jeff Greene as an additional recruit, though technically, he is a walk on.

Good point

 

[pnuts34]

I personally think of Georgia Tech Jeff Greene as an additional recruit, though technically, he is a walk on.

I fully agree. I'm really hoping he pans out and makes up for the loss of kief and the other taller possession wrs weve been after. But I'm hoping the athletic TEs the staff is bringing in can also help

 

[greyscarlet]

Is there an inordinate push this year to wrap recruiting up before fall ball starts so the coaches can focus on coaching? With a legit shot at a championship I have to wonder if this is advancing the recruiting process faster than it otherwise would.
Or are the pieces just falling into place as the coaches are getting to see recruits in person with the 5 stars known to be going elsewhere.

 

[Buckeye86]

Is there an inordinate push this year to wrap recruiting up before fall ball starts so the coaches can focus on coaching? With a legit shot at a championship I have to wonder if this is advancing the recruiting process faster than it otherwise would.
Or are the pieces just falling into place as the coaches are getting to see recruits in person with the 5 stars known to be going elsewhere.

It's June, the staff isn't reaching on anyone right now. We're getting a rush of camp commitments. They weren't taken because of anything any other recruit has or has not done, five star or otherwise. They are in the class because they showed the coaches that they deserve to be in the class, period.

I hope that eventually we all can get out of the Jim Tressel recruiting mindset and realize that Urban Meyer is a different kind of recruiting that doesn't take projects because things aren't going so well with other commitments.

Urban Meyer loses Alex Anzalone and replaces him with Mike Mitchell instead. Urban Meyer loses Dymonte Thomas and replaces him with Vonn Bell. Urban Meyer loses Lawrence Marshall and replaces him with Jalyn Holmes.

Urban Meyer is not Jim Tressel and he certainly doesn't recruit like him. I look forward to the day when most Ohio State fans realize this.

 

[greyscarlet]

It's June, the staff isn't reaching on anyone right now. We're getting a rush of camp commitments. They weren't taken because of anything any other recruit has or has not done, five star or otherwise. They are in the class because they showed the coaches that they deserve to be in the class, period.

I hope that eventually we all can get out of the Jim Tressel recruiting mindset and realize that Urban Meyer is a different kind of recruiting that doesn't take projects because things aren't going so well with other commitments.

Urban Meyer loses Alex Anzalone and replaces him with Mike Mitchell instead. Urban Meyer loses Dymonte Thomas and replaces him with Vonn Bell. Urban Meyer loses Lawrence Marshall and replaces him with Jalyn Holmes.

Urban Meyer is not Jim Tressel and he certainly doesn't recruit like him. I look forward to the day when most Ohio State fans realize this.

The recruiting world certainly is changed when you are recruiting nationally there will certainly be more ebbs and flows.

I was not trying to poo poo out recent commits, I wholly trust Urban and staff, and I certainly am not a proficient evaluator of football talent.

It just seems (not necessarily backed by evidence) that there is a bigger push early this year. Could be many reasons: because Urban has now had time to get entrenched into the position and recruit kids to tOSU for years instead of months, because of the push to close recruiting early, I don't know.

I do love the kids the staff is going after, highly ranked, well rounded AND competitive. The job fair will only help bring in strong well rounded kids. I would take our 2014-2012 recruits over any others.

 

[NastyNatiBuck]

Is there an inordinate push this year to wrap recruiting up before fall ball starts so the coaches can focus on coaching? With a legit shot at a championship I have to wonder if this is advancing the recruiting process faster than it otherwise would.
Or are the pieces just falling into place as the coaches are getting to see recruits in person with the 5 stars known to be going elsewhere.

I think there are a couple of different factors in play.

1. OSU has limited spots, so some players are taking a spot and not waiting.
2. There seems to be a growing trend that players want to end their recruitments before their senior season starts. (This could be purely confirmation bias, however.) Also, some players want to recruit others to their school.
3. Because it takes awhile to really build relationships in recruiting, this is the first year that the OSU staff is recruiting seniors that they were building relationships with as juniors.

I guarantee you that if Meyer had his players all committed by July for signing day, he wouldn't mind at all, but you see what happens when a player commits before they are ready: come early December, they are starting to look around again.

 

[greyscarlet]

I do also realize that regardless the staff is and has been looking at the 15, 16 and beyond recruits so finishing up early doesn't mean any less work.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

Urban Meyer is not Jim Tressel and he certainly doesn't recruit like him. I look forward to the day when most Ohio State fans realize this.

Yeah, it's so nice that we don't have Tressel recruiting anymore...he never got any great players.

 

[Buckeye86]

Yeah, it's so nice that we don't have Tressel recruiting anymore...he never got any great players.

Exactly! I apologize for writing about something totally unrelated in the rest of the post which may have taken away from this point that I was trying to make.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

Exactly! I apologize for writing about something totally unrelated in the rest of the post which may have taken away from this point that I was trying to make.

You stated "Urban Meyer is a different kind of recruiting that doesn't take projects because things aren't going so well with other commitments." Tressel didn't either...he may have taken a few recruits here and there because they were Ohio kids and/or legacy kids, but he most certainly did not take "projects" in June solely because he struck out on a big name recruit. The only real perceived knock on Tressel's recruiting was his lack of closing on big-name recruits who were deciding near/on NLOID. There isn't as big a difference between Meyer and Tressel recruiting-wise as you imply...the only real difference is that Meyer is more focused on national recruiting whereas Tressel's priority was circling the wagons around the Ohio border.

 

[Buckeye86]

You stated "Urban Meyer is a different kind of recruiting that doesn't take projects because things aren't going so well with other commitments." Tressel didn't either...he may have taken a few recruits here and there because they were Ohio kids and/or legacy kids, but he most certainly did not take "projects" in June solely because he struck out on a big name recruit.

I see your argument and raise you the 2011 offensive line class. Four players who all signed before May, all of whom will have to make some pretty significant strides not to get passed over on the depth chart this season and into the future. There is a reason we are looking to sign JUCOs in the 2014 class.

Granted, that is more of an exception than a rule under Tressel, but I think it is a very clear example of signing some projects early when things weren't looking so good elsewhere. I think that is exactly what people are worried about now when they see 3-star players being signed from camp.

The 2012 class, whose early shortcomings had nothing to do with Tressel's recruiting style, is also still affecting people's opinion as well.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

I see your argument and raise you the 2011 offensive line class. Four players who all signed before May, all of whom will have to make some pretty significant strides not to get passed over on the depth chart this season and into the future. There is a reason we are looking to sign JUCOs in the 2014 class.

Yeah, and "Block O" of 2008 didn't pan out either, so JT likely figured "forget star ranking, get what we can when we can". For some reason, regardless of who we recruited at OL (5-star or 2-star) or when we recruited them, we really never developed them. And even under Meyer, so far we're not exactly setting the world on fire with our OL recruiting.

Back to the main point: Are the recruiting styles of Meyer and Tressel different? Yep, but not to the degree that many think...

 

[Buckeye86]

so JT likely figured "forget star ranking, get what we can when we can"

I think that is exactly what people are worried about right now with some of these underrated players. You claimed that Tressel didn't do that initially but now I guess you are agreeing with me?

Back to the main point: Are the recruiting styles of Meyer and Tressel different? Yep, but not to the degree that many think...

I think the "get what we can when we can" attitude represents a huge difference in the way Urban Meyer goes about recruiting, which was the entire point of my initial post which you took issue with.

I don't think saying that Meyer and Tressel are extremely different recruiters takes anything away from the unparalleled success that Tressel had on the field or from the many outstanding players that played for him.

Edit: I guess there is also the possibility that Meyer is "reaching" on these players now and plans to replace them if possible later in the class- similarly to what happened with Taivon Jacobs last year. I certainly hope that isn't the case, but if so tell me that isn't a huge difference in recruiting styles.

The fact that these players came to camp and proved themselves makes me think that Timothy Gardner and Darron Lee are the more appropriate comparisons, however.