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tOSU - CBS.online NC / Playoff Discussion

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FKAGobucks877 said:
To me, just because the other divisions of football have 16+ teams doesn't mean D1 needs to. Everybody pretty much agrees that the biggest issue is giving every deserving team a chance to play for the NC. How many teams actually have a shot? And more important than that, to me, is how many teams deserve a shot? The Buckeyes, I feel, could easily have won the NC this year if a playoff were in place...but we lost two regular season games, therefore, we didn't deserve a shot.

If we have a 16 team playoff, the college football, as a whole, loses it's luster and glamour. Every game needs to mean something. I think a playoff more than 8 teams would diminish the sport as a whole, and I'm not willing to do that. I do, however, want to see every team that deserves a shot get it.
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You are correct sir! With 16 teams I guarantee a 8-3 team from a larger conference would make it in before a 10-1 team from a lesser conference like the MAC. Sorry but the regular season is the first round of the playoffs and a 4 team playoff would be a nice finish.
 
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tibor75 said:
One problem with an 8 team field is that team from the MAC or WAC (or whatever it is called now) has about a 0% of winning the NC.

To me, that is the biggest travesty with Division 1 football - not every team has a chance at a NC. You have that chance in every other sport. Some people like to say that makes Division 1 football unique - I say it makes it crooked.

I would favor a 12 team tournament with the top 4 seeds getting byes. 12 teams would comprise of the winners of the :
Big 10
PAC-10
SEC
Big 12
Big Least (maybe)
ACC

You have 6 spots left. 4 of them would come from at large entries from the above conferences (including ND - they do NOT get any special consideration just b/c they are an independent). 2 at-large bids from the MAC, CUSA, Mountain West, Sun Belt.
No BCS. No polls. Decided by a 10 person committee just like the NCAA basketball tournament.
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Good point Tibs but as I asked Mili, how would you implement that system using the pre-existing bowl games?
 
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Thump said:
I agree, 16 is too many. Plus, wouldn't you have to shorten the regular season to allow for these extra games at the end of the year?
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You are also correct sir! With a 16 team playoff, a college team could possibly play 16 games. Isn't 12-14 plenty already! And when does the playoff begin, in December?
 
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Everyone can propose their own 2-team, 4-team, 6-team, 8-team, 12-team, 16-team, 24-team, 32-team, 48-team, or 64-team playoff (maybe 65 with a BS 'play-in' game).

And then spend time trying to justify their proposal. I've seen variations on this for over 30 years.

But it's all about as useful as most of the discussions on Around The Horn. Of course, I could be wrong, I haven't seen that show in a long time. :wink2:
 
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BB73 said:
Everyone can propose their own 2-team, 4-team, 6-team, 8-team, 12-team, 16-team, 24-team, 32-team, 48-team, or 64-team playoff (maybe 65 with a BS 'play-in' game).

And then spend time trying to justify their proposal. I've seen variations on this for over 30 years.

But it's all about as useful as most of the discussions on Around The Horn. Of course, I could be wrong, I haven't seen that show in a long time. :wink2:
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I've just simply asked how to implement the bowls into a 16 team playoff and keep the fan attendance up.
 
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tibor75 said:
One problem with an 8 team field is that team from the MAC or WAC (or whatever it is called now) has about a 0% of winning the NC.

To me, that is the biggest travesty with Division 1 football - not every team has a chance at a NC. You have that chance in every other sport. Some people like to say that makes Division 1 football unique - I say it makes it crooked.

I would favor a 12 team tournament with the top 4 seeds getting byes. 12 teams would comprise of the winners of the :
Big 10
PAC-10
SEC
Big 12
Big Least (maybe)
ACC

You have 6 spots left. 4 of them would come from at large entries from the above conferences (including ND - they do NOT get any special consideration just b/c they are an independent). 2 at-large bids from the MAC, CUSA, Mountain West, Sun Belt.
No BCS. No polls. Decided by a 10 person committee just like the NCAA basketball tournament.
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I'm fine with that but no MAC or WAC or Mountain West team is ever going to win it in a playoff anyway. If theyre good enough to go undefeated in MAC(or whatever) play then they'll more than likely be BCS top 8. If they can't run the table in the MAC(or whatever) then why do they deserve a spot over a legit top 10 B10/SEC/PAC10 type school?

Those teams look god early every year when they play their SuperBowl vs a team like OSU who can't help be anything but ho-hum about the game. The MAC team hangs around and gives the big boy a scare or maybe even wins the game then goes back to its MAC schedule. They never have to do it week in and week out with the big boy school fired up.

In a playoff the are going to get a top tier teams best shot, more than likely on the road and then have another waiting if the win 1 game. No way in hell those teams could ever run the gauntlet.

I understand making a spot for them for PC reasons but they deserve it about like Elvis deserved his blackbelt.
 
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Thump said:
I've just simply asked how to implement the bowls into a 16 team playoff and keep the fan attendance up.
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For a top seeded team that just an extra 2 home games before the NC game on the road. For schools like OSU/Texas etc I don't see attendance being an issue.

If you try and have some crazy neutral site tourney then your going to have attendance probs. 8 or 16 teams with all but the NC game being a home game for the higher seed is the way to go.
 
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BB73 said:
Everyone can propose their own 2-team, 4-team, 6-team, 8-team, 12-team, 16-team, 24-team, 32-team, 48-team, or 64-team playoff (maybe 65 with a BS 'play-in' game).

And then spend time trying to justify their proposal. I've seen variations on this for over 30 years.

But it's all about as useful as most of the discussions on Around The Horn. Of course, I could be wrong, I haven't seen that show in a long time. :wink2:
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Excellent point. We should just go back to discussing things we haven't ever discussed before, like rep/dings, the offense and the line coaches, whether Ginn will score 20 TDs next season and win the Heisman, or our upcoming game with Texas. :biggrin:
 
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Jaxbuck said:
For a top seeded team that just an extra 2 home games before the NC game on the road. For schools like OSU/Texas etc I don't see attendance being an issue.

If you try and have some crazy neutral site tourney then your going to have attendance probs. 8 or 16 teams with all but the NC game being a home game for the higher seed is the way to go.
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Mili said he mentioned in a thread how he would implement the bowls into a 16 team playoff but didn't see where he brought that up anywhere.

Seems like you have the same concerns I do, don't know how you could have a 16 team playoff w/o the first two rounds being played at the higher ranked teams home stadium.
 
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Thump said:
Mili said he mentioned in a thread how he would implement the bowls into a 16 team playoff but didn't see where he brought that up anywhere.

Seems like you have the same concerns I do, don't know how you could have a 16 team playoff w/o the first two rounds being played at the higher ranked teams home stadium.
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I'm not getting into the pissing match between you two but I don't see how you could do 8 or 16 teams without the home game/higher seed format.

Just too expensive and logistical nightmare to try and copy basketball's operation over to football.

As a matter of fact the travel during tourney time is why a lot of smaller schools actually do not generate revnue from mens BBall.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
I'm not getting into the pissing match between you two but I don't see how you could do 8 or 16 teams without the home game/higher seed format.

Just too expensive and logistical nightmare
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If he has a feasible explanation, I'm all for it, but haven't seen it yet.

I'm with you. It's not easy to plan to go to 4 bowl games in a 6 week span. Too expensive for fans and too tough to arrange travel plans and days off of work.

Plus, think about the players families and extra expenses to the athletic department to pay to travel the team and band (not sure whose funds the bands travel expenses come from) to these multiple bowl games.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
I'm fine with that but no MAC or WAC or Mountain West team is ever going to win it in a playoff anyway. If theyre good enough to go undefeated in MAC(or whatever) play then they'll more than likely be BCS top 8. If they can't run the table in the MAC(or whatever) then why do they deserve a spot over a legit top 10 B10/SEC/PAC10 type school?.
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They deserve it because they win their conference. In basketball, does Farleigh Dickinson deserve a bid over the 7th place team in the Big 10? Sure they do. Why should schools be eliminated before the first game of the year? If scUM is at 8-3 and whines about being passed over for Bowling Green, tell them, "Beat OSU next year"

Nobody said the teams in the playoffs have to be the BEST teams. The NCAA tournament doesn't have the BEST 65 teams either.
 
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