Good point. I think their record has more of an effect on the number of people at the Orange Bowl for them.
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Good point. I think their record has more of an effect on the number of people at the Orange Bowl for them.
So you are saying that the Cotton Bowl who plays in a stadium called the Cotton Bowl wouldn't mind their game being played at Penn St. Univeristy if we were to move the bowl games to a teams home field to better accomodate a playoff?
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Not at all. I'm just stating that BCS agreements and bowl contracts will prevent any playoff from happening before the 2010 season.
I'm just the wet blanket in this discussion.
And FYI, the new Cowboys stadium would be used for any major bowl game in the Dallas area by that time. The Cotton Bowl itself is no longer up to snuff. (snuff - that's something cowboys are familiar with).
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goodguy
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I'm not sure I know what economic system you are basing this on. I could see spending only $250 for a trip by myself. Of course I would have stay at a YMCA and only eat peanut butter sandwiches. But then again people don't go by themselves and most tend drink a shit load. This does make for any easy-on-your-wallet trip. $250 is a pipe dream.
By the way most people only get two weeks of vacation a year. I tend to use some my time to visit family.
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No, the Cotton Bowl would still be the Cotton Bowl. It'd be an excellent site for the equivilent of the NIT final, or even a semi final #8-#9 matchup. The first round, presuming those go to campuses, would simply be "Presented by Diamond Walnut PC.com Tire Co."
Those lower tier bowls come-and-go with every contract period. Really, do you miss the BlueBonnet Bowl? Or the Bicardi Bowl? Or the Micron PC Bowl?
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Just use the BCS system that's in place. It actually does an excellent job of racking and stacking the top 16 teams. The big mess in the past has been the disagreement between the human polls and the computers as to who is in the top 3 or so. Having a 16-team field won't make it as critical to get #1, #2, and #3 right (shouldn't be much difference having to play #14 seed or #16 seed).
I also hate the automatic bids for garbage conferences...those are what really taint the 64+1 NCAA basketball field. No way ever should a sub-.500 team make any tournament. If a football team from the Sun Belt or CUSA happen to be ranked in the top 16 in the BCS standings, then let them in, otherwise forget 'em.
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Right. Because the law mandates I have to fly 2,000 miles, stay at a Hilton and dine out three meals a day. We're not talking about spending a week in Tempe for the Fiesta Bowl. We're talking about driving to Mobile AL, or Memphis, TN, or somewhere a few hundred miles or several hundred miles away, staying in a Holiday Inn Express, and watching the game and driving home.
Sure, I bet students would hate doing that, because financing a week in Pasadena is sooo much easier on their wallets.
And in my post I specified what I would do with my vacation time. Feel free to do whatever you want on your own time.
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Think outside the box, er -- outside the state of Ohio. The Ohio State University has more alumni living outside the state of Ohio than inside the state's borders. The Ohio State football teams has millions of fans all over the country.Ok fine do what you want with your time. I just don't think the pool of home fans willing to travel to games is enough to support 4 games.
Again, if the OSU athletics department announced today that the football team was playing anywhere tomorrow, the stadium would be 3/4 full if not sold out.
I bet if Ohio State played Oklahoma tomorrow in Austin, it would be sold out with Ohio State fans, Ohio State alum, and Texas fans who would want to see OSU wax the Sooners.
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FKAGobucks877
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How about a different solution, that could *possibly* make more people happy. This is what I would propose:
Leave all non-BCS bowls as is. If Memphis State is going to play Toledo in the Motor City Bowl, then do it. Don't change any of that.
Instead, eliminate all conference championship games. In their place, that same week, you have four or six games, or the first round of an eight or twelve team playoff. Highest seed gets home field advantage, and the two conferences split the payout.
Then, in the next 30 or so days, you have all the other bowls with non-playoff teams. Come January 1, you have round two of the playoffs, using the BCS bowls in a similar format to what is currently in place. An eight team playoff, for example, would at this point have four teams left, for two games. This year, for example, let's say Teams A and B play in the Fiesta Bowl. Teams C and D play in the Sugar Bowl. Then let's say that Teams A and C win. Teams B and D would play for third place in the Orange Bowl, and then the Rose Bowl would be the NC game between teams A and C.
Using this method, there is no huge change to the bowl system. With an eight team playoff, the regular season is still very important, and while the conference championship games are eliminated (which the coaches are against, by the way), the conferences still get paid out by the first round of the playoff games held in that week.
This would also solve any potential attendance problems, as only the numbers one and two teams play an extra bowl game, because the first round of four games will either be a home or away game, depending on seedings.
Thoughts?
Leave all non-BCS bowls as is. If Memphis State is going to play Toledo in the Motor City Bowl, then do it. Don't change any of that.
Instead, eliminate all conference championship games. In their place, that same week, you have four or six games, or the first round of an eight or twelve team playoff. Highest seed gets home field advantage, and the two conferences split the payout.
Then, in the next 30 or so days, you have all the other bowls with non-playoff teams. Come January 1, you have round two of the playoffs, using the BCS bowls in a similar format to what is currently in place. An eight team playoff, for example, would at this point have four teams left, for two games. This year, for example, let's say Teams A and B play in the Fiesta Bowl. Teams C and D play in the Sugar Bowl. Then let's say that Teams A and C win. Teams B and D would play for third place in the Orange Bowl, and then the Rose Bowl would be the NC game between teams A and C.
Using this method, there is no huge change to the bowl system. With an eight team playoff, the regular season is still very important, and while the conference championship games are eliminated (which the coaches are against, by the way), the conferences still get paid out by the first round of the playoff games held in that week.
This would also solve any potential attendance problems, as only the numbers one and two teams play an extra bowl game, because the first round of four games will either be a home or away game, depending on seedings.
Thoughts?
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goodguy
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Sure if given a few weeks notice, we (THE OSU alumni) would be able to pack a stadium for the first round of the playoff. But with the uncertainty of a victory, what percentage of the Alumin will be able take off that next week with only 7 days to make the proper arrangements. I'm not saying there won't be some that can make it to the game, but I think your assuming that number of alumi that have that kind of flexibility is enough to fill our share of a stadium for the next TWO rounds of a playoff. Sorry but I disagree with you on this
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The school presidents would complain about the 4 teams still playing after January 1st, but the amount of money generated may allow this scenario to happen someday.
I think the championship game would have to be rotated to get the current BCS bowls to agree to it.
What I don't like is that it's still an advantage for the southern teams, due to their proximity to the bowl sites.
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goodguy
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"What I don't like is that it's still an advantage for the southern teams, due to their proximity to the bowl sites."
This burns my ass the most. I'd like to see SEC teams travel outside of their region more. When Archie was the assistant AD, he said the southern teams would agree to play the Bucks but they never wanted to travel north.
This burns my ass the most. I'd like to see SEC teams travel outside of their region more. When Archie was the assistant AD, he said the southern teams would agree to play the Bucks but they never wanted to travel north.
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tibor75
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I agree that losing teams in a tournament is wrong, but that has nothing to do with automatic bids. It has to do with conference tournaments which allow every team to make the "playoffs". They didn't have a losing record, but the year OSU won the Big 10 tournament, Iowa almost made the Big Dance and they were barely .500 at the beginning of the tournament.
I think at least 1 spot in the football playoff should be allocated to a small conference. I think that is only fair to insure that every team has a chance. Give 1 spot to the 4 lowest rated conferences and let them decide how they want to determine their entry. If they want to vote on it, fine. If they want to have their own little "play-in" tournament featuring the winners of all 4 conferences, fine.
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Which is the automatic bid. The "automatic bid" means that the conference gets a guaranteed (automatic) slot in the tournament, regardless of how that conference determines its representative (regular season champion or conference tournament champion). That's how those sub-.500 teams made that NCAA field, by winning their conference tournament (for a conference with an automatic bid) despite having a losing record for the season. If that conference didn't have their automatic bid, then the sub-.500 team wouldn't have made the NCAAs...
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