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[Thump]

Try disagreeing with someone without insulting them for once.

This is Great Post Award material if I've ever seen it.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

This is Great Post Award material if I've ever seen it.

As if you've never slammed anyone. Mr Pot, meet Mr Kettle...

 

[Thump]

As if you've never slammed anyone. Mr Pot, meet Mr Kettle...

I know, and I've never received one for it, would like someone at least to get some credit!

Just anxious to hear your response to why it must be 16 teams.

Wouldn't you agree that the pre-existing bowl system makes it a little tougher to implement a playoff than in DII and DIII?

 

[goodguy]

As if you've never slammed anyone. Mr Pot, meet Mr Kettle...

By the way the correct answer is a 4 team playoff is plenty because the regular season acts as playoff as well. If you were to allow 16 teams in with some having as many as 3-4 losses, it would totally diminish the regular season. That's just my opinion and I RESPECT those who differ with me.

 

[Golferdow01]

Ok this is crossing the line. So I had a disagreement with Mili but let's not get carried away here.

 

[goodguy]

Ok this is crossing the line. So I had a disagreement with Mili but let's not get carried away here.

Good point, I will edit my last post. Again I'd like to say 16 teams is too many.

 

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[Golferdow01]

Would someone with mod powers in this thread please move it. This is ridiculous.

 

[scooter1369]

Would someone with mod powers in this thread please move it. This is ridiculous.

Just lock it.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

By the way the correct answer is a 4 team playoff is plenty because the regular season acts as playoff as well. If you were to allow 16 teams in with some having as many as 3-4 losses, it would totally diminish the regular season. That's just my opinion and I RESPECT those who differ with me.

Uh, I-AA, II, and III also have regular seasons you know...

Just anxious to hear your response to why it must be 16 teams.

Wouldn't you agree that the pre-existing bowl system makes it a little tougher to implement a playoff than in DII and DIII?

Because it's 16 teams every where else (like I said earlier in the thread). I've also addressed how a playoff could implement the existing bowls several times many moons ago in one of the 4,386 threads on playoffs...if you want to see what I said, use the search function.

 

[Thump]

Uh, I-AA, II, and III also have regular seasons you know...




Because it's 16 teams every where else (like I said earlier in the thread). I've also addressed how a playoff could implement the existing bowls several times many moons ago in one of the 4,386 threads on playoffs...if you want to see what I said, use the search function.

Pretty tough to search 4386 threads.

These bowl games would lose attendance and money b/c these teams fans couldn't afford to travel to 4 different cities for bowl games in a one month time span.

If you don't think that would be the case, you're crazy.

 

[goodguy]

Uh, I-AA, II, and III also have regular seasons you know...

By the way, I liked your last red chicklett, signing it ass-clown was priceless (I seriously cracked a huge smile). I would imagine your working on my next red chicklet as fast as you can.

Couple of points to ponder.

1. Does the use of the "Uh" make anybody's points more valid. :)
2. Without looking this up on the internet, tell me about all the teams in the I-AA, II and III playoffs. Everyone sites Mount Union, Youngstown State etc. etc. but other than these teams how much more does anyone know. It seems many point to these playoffs to defend a playoff system, yet I doubt many have watched an entire playoff of any of these smaller division schools.
3. Under a 16 team playoff, it's very possible the final two teams could play a total of 16 games in a season. Do these kids really need to play 16 games. I used to think this wasn't a big deal til I heard Bobby Bowden speak against additional games. Although I'm not a big fan of Bowden, he said the players and he have had enough both physically and mentally come January. Incidently, Kirk Herbstreit likes the additional game (4 teams) concept because it would solve most of the BCS problems without adding to to many games.
4. If a 16 team playoff should become reality, do the players deserve a piece of the pie $$$$$
5. No matter what system is implemented, there will always be detractors. While listening to Dan Patrick today, some wondered if Texas really won, or did USC give them the game.


Congrats to Texas and their fans, I'm glad we got to play the best team in 2005!

 

[JXC]

By the way, I liked your last red chicklett, signing it ass-clown was priceless (I seriously cracked a huge smile). I would imagine your working on my next red chicklet as fast as you can.

haha

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

Pretty tough to search 4386 threads.

These bowl games would lose attendance and money b/c these teams fans couldn't afford to travel to 4 different cities for bowl games in a one month time span.

If you don't think that would be the case, you're crazy.

Uh, the search function searches every single thread on site. By the way, my post that addressed how to implement the bowl games also addresses fan travel. You'd be surprised at the amount of fans that go to the playoffs games...

OK, I just took 15 seconds and found this thread in which I addressed many of these issues.

 

[Thump]

Uh, the search function searches every single thread on site. By the way, my post that addressed how to implement the bowl games also addresses fan travel. You'd be surprised at the amount of fans that go to the playoffs games...

OK, I just took 15 seconds and found this thread in which I addressed many of these issues.

First off, thanks for finding it, I typed in "College Playoff" and "MililaniBuckeye" and it pulled up 32 pages of threads that you have typed in.

I read through the thread you linked twice and didn't see anywhere where you adequately addressed fan travel.

Here's your posts from that thread and nowhere do I see an explanation regarding fan travel.


Post #1

LR: Div I-AA are not limited to a 10-game regular season. YSU just played a 12-games season (5-7), as did Illinois State (and that's just in the Gateway Conference...I didn't check other I-AA teams). YSU played 15-game seasons (including playoffs) six times in nine years and they fared OK.

I think the playoffs should be a 16-team format just like I-AA, II, and III. If they start in the middle of December, they could use some of the lower/mid tier bowl games as venues for the first rounds (I'm sure that the Music City Bowl and Poulan Weedeater Bowl would prefer to have #1 vs #16 or #8 vs #9 rather than two unranked 7-4 or 6-5 teams). Second-round (quarter-final) games would be played in the higher-tiered bowls at least a week before New Year's Day. The semi-finals would be played on New Year's Day at two of the four current BCS bowls, while the other two get "consolation games" (losers of the quarter-finals). The title game would be played at a rotating venue (like the Super Bowl). I originally thought out about having one of the four BCS bowls host the title game, but they most likely would not want to move their bowl to the second week of January.

Post #2

1. It gives a team that has a bad game in the regular season a chance to prove itself again.

2. It makes teams that play shitty OOC schedules and even shittier conference opponents earn the championship against teams that have proved themselves over the entire season.

3. Every other frickin' major team sport, including all divisions of college football, except for I-A, have playoffs. The NHL, NBA, NFL, and MLB all have playoffs where many times the "best" team doesn't always win. Has anyone ever asked to eliminate the playoffs because of that? No. True champions make it through.

Remember a few years back when the Minnesota Vikings went 15-1 during the regular season only to lose at home in the first round of the playoffs? How about the Seattle Mariners who tied the all-time records for regular season wins with 116, only to get beat and not make it to the World Series? If those systems weren't scrapped, why should anyone be upset with trying to start a playoff in college football?

As a YSU fan, I found the I-AA playoffs exciting, where each game was do-or-die. There was not "well, we can lose late in the season and still have a chance at the title". You lost, you were done. Plus playoffs give a chance to teams that may have been overlooked by those enamored with high-profile teams. Case in point was 1994 when Alcorn State was being given hum-jobs by every sports writer in the country because of Steve McNair. Alcorn State promptly got ass-raped by YSU 63-20 in the playoffs, showing the nation that Alcorn State wasn't anything like the media portrayed them.

Post #3

DiHard: Teams are indeed seeded, 1-16, and play subsequent games based on seeding (no regions). As for having games at home to avoid a bunch of road games, someone will always be a road team...you can't have a game where both teams are at home (except USC/UCLA). Also, YSU played three straight road games in the playoffs twice ('92 and '97) and won the national title both years.

Post #4

DiHard: I think a system using existing bowls can definitely be implemented. My point was that playing up to four straight games on the road isn't as much of a hindrance as you may think.

Finding a way to utilize existing bowls would make a playoff system a much easier sell to the powers-that-be.

Care to expound on these?