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Game Thread tOSU at Sparty - Sep 29, 3:30 ET, ABC

jlb1705;2224506; said:
My thoughts...

[censored] MSU and their whiny bitch fans. They make that chant about Braxton Miller, and then whine about every hit delivered to their QB or WRs? [censored] right off with that [Mark May].

I have a lot of respect for Mark Dantoino, but it's eroding. Keep making comments in the media. If you're still there when Ohio State rotates back on your schedule, you might come to regret it.

This game was a perfect example of the ways in which Braxton Miller needs to improve. His stats belie just how green he still is.

People keep saying that Ohio State is in trouble because Miller is the entire OSU offense. From where I sit though, it doesn't have to be that way. I know the Buckeyes aren't all that great at the skill positions right now, but there is some help there. The offense could be better and Miller could take fewer hits if he becomes better at making reads and decisions. I lost count of how many times I screamed at my TV to just give up the damn ball to the RB. I'm waiting for a Goldilocks moment from him. First he was carrying the ball too much, then it was not enough... I'm waiting for it to be "just right".

I do agree that the tackling has improved overall from what it was a couple weeks ago. But that one play (you all know the one) was as bad as I've ever seen.

I read thru the entire thread and noticed a lot of complaints about the playcalling. What did you want to see. They had one successful vertical play where Miller locked in on his guy, and credit to D. Smith - he did a great job getting open. There were a ton of other pass plays though where Miller hung on to the ball as long as Joe Bauserman. As a result, when they wanted to pass the ball we were left with a lot of bubble screens. That's an unfortunate thing because I would say that this team executes less than 10% of its attempts on that type of play, between inaccurate throws, poor blocking and poor footwork/positioning/ballcarrying by the receiver. The thing about that kind of play though is that it doesn't require a decision on the part of the quarterback. So when you want to pass, the other team is blitzing and you're having trouble getting your QB to make a read (let alone the correct one) you run plays like that. I don't like it, but I think I understand why it's taking place.

I think this game could have used a bigger dose of Carlos Hyde. He ran like a grown-ass man when he got his chances, he just didn't get enough of them. I would have liked to see some carries from Rod Smith, but with the way the game went I can understand why it didn't happen.

I'm not entirely sure if they have all of the right assistant coaches, but the more I see the more convinced I become that there are personnel issues too. Some of them are going to require growth from young players already in the system. Some of them are going to take players graduating, moving on or being replaced. I'm not going to name names. I think they are playing hard and care about Ohio State for the most part. At the same time, there are positions that are not near the standards that we are used to.

Finally, a few remarks about the commentators. Herbstreit sounds like he was hired from Bleacher Report. Musberger is a horrible caricature of himself. He's a [censored]ing cheerleader, and he doesn't pull it off the way somebody like Gus Johnson does. Let's forget his wink-and-nod relationship with gamblers for a moment (his Pete Rose autograph reference at the end was especially cringeworthy.) When he's talking up an underdog he comes off like a bad cheerleader. When he's talking up a favorite or a traditional power he comes off like a jocksniffing booster with all of his insider crony anecdotes. It's past time for him to hang it up.

A lot of this sums it up for me. Dantonio is what he is, he is becoming more Bielema every season, which is fine. But when he has a dirty team and makes stupi-assed comments all the time, it kind of gets old.

I have never heard a college team chant at an injured guy like that before, so for that, a nice hearty fuck you to the douchebag Spartan fans. Michigan will always be the most hated for me, with Wisconsin right in tow, but Michigan State just picked up the Bronze medal and ran with it after that display.

I am really not so sure about the FIckell/Vrabel combo running the defense. I know some think the tackling is better, but I don't. There were a few more plays made, and they did do a nice job on Bell. But there are still too many arm tackles and hits instead of tackles, and receiver seem to be open all over the place in stretches. Something needs to be shored up, or Nebraska is going to be awfully tough to beat after tonight;s second half display.

I think we need more Hyde as well. I know everyone keeps raving about Jordan Hall, and I have nothing against him, but I don't see where he's so much of a difference maker that he needs to be the one out there all the time. I think rotating the backs would keep defenses off balance, because they would then have a lot more options for the run game besides Miller et al. left, Miller et al. right, Miller et al. up the middle. Hall might be better in the receiving game, but how many passes go to backs in this offense right now?

The commentary was horrible, but that isn't at all surprising. I've been outspoken against Drunkberger since I got here, and we all know what Herbstreit has become.
 
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Here's another way to look at today's game...

We know Sparty for their tendency to get out in front control a game or put themselves in line for an upset only to blow it in imaginative and spectacular fashion. They didn't even muster enough to put themselves in that position though. For as much as they must hate having control of a game and losing it like they always do, isn't it worse to never really be in control of a game at all? I mean, it's not like they got dominated, but except for a few brief moments, they were playing from behind for the entire time. Even in the short time where they led, you never really got the sense that they were in control.

Today they weren't Sparty, they were just another team that lost.
 
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5-0 Havent fallen yet. Fuck the rankings. Fuck the ESPN cocksuckers talking about us. Fuck the B1G Championship game. JUST WIN. PLAY HARD. PLAY SMART. PLAY WITH YOUR HEARTS! Next year, LOOK THE FUCK OUT!

GO BUCKEYES!

loving the energy of this team. Brax made some mistakes, passing D needs some work, 5-0
 
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I'm not sure if expectations are unrealistic or what but tOSU played a hell of a game and I really felt the defense was terrific. Really, the D muffed up on one play (to me) all day, otherwise, holy hell they held Bell to 45 yards rushing, he go no first downs on the ground and his longest run was 8 yards. I mean damn good D today!

Here's another thing too, we won that game with -3 total turnovers. All three of those (going from memory) were in their territory that we clearly had momentum and I felt we were probably on our way to scoring on. Heck, we had a blocked punt too for heaven's sake!

Aside from trying to strip the ball instead of tacking on that one play, I can't criticize the guys in this one. We lost Hall, turned the ball over 3 times and still won that game. And it's not like we won on a lucky play or something. Think about it. Our D stopped them cold with 5 and 1/2 minutes left in their house. Then, as if that weren't enough, our guys went out there with 4 minutes left and got big plays for first downs when we needed them. And mostly on the ground when they knew damn well we were going to run. After the way we limped out of the last few games at home, you gotta feel good about this win, you just have to.

And lastly, our guys had plenty of opportunity to roll over an quit in this game but they didn't, they hung in there, played their asses off, never gave up and kept their heads up. Hats off for a gutsy, well played game! Kudos! :osu:
 
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sullie;2224754; said:
Here's another thing too, we won that game with -3 total turnovers. All three of those (going from memory) were in their territory that we clearly had momentum and I felt we were probably on our way to scoring on. Heck, we had a blocked punt too for heaven's sake!

Aside from trying to strip the ball instead of tacking on that one play, I can't criticize the guys in this one. We lost Hall, turned the ball over 3 times and still won that game. And it's not like we won on a lucky play or something. Think about it. Our D stopped them cold with 5 and 1/2 minutes left in their house. Then, as if that weren't enough, our guys went out there with 4 minutes left and got big plays for first downs when we needed them. And mostly on the ground when they knew damn well we were going to run. After the way we limped out of the last few games at home, you gotta feel good about this win, you just have to.

And lastly, our guys had plenty of opportunity to roll over an quit in this game but they didn't, they hung in there, played their asses off, never gave up and kept their heads up. Hats off for a gutsy, well played game! Kudos! :osu:

This is why I was so happy when they won that game. Usually against MSU you'd be kinda 'eh' over a 1 point win, but they screwed up, Miller struggled at times, the defense had some iffy stretches, but they still played hard and were determined to win. I love talent, talent is great, but being able to pull a win like this out, and do it in this atmosphere with the slimmest of margins in your favor...that's pretty damn important for a team to be able to do that.

Many things to work on, but the core of this team has heart and the confidence is growing. They will screw up, but they are beginning to set the foundations for the rest of this season and the next 2 years.
 
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sullie;2224754; said:
I'm not sure if expectations are unrealistic or what but tOSU played a hell of a game and I really felt the defense was terrific. Really, the D muffed up on one play (to me) all day, otherwise, holy hell they held Bell to 45 yards rushing, he got no first downs on the ground and his longest run was 8 yards. I mean damn good D today!

Here's another thing too, we won that game with -3 total turnovers. All three of those (going from memory) were in their territory that we clearly had momentum and I felt we were probably on our way to scoring on. Heck, we had a blocked punt too for heaven's sake!

Aside from trying to strip the ball instead of tacking on that one play, I can't criticize the guys in this one. We lost Hall, turned the ball over 3 times and still won that game. And it's not like we won on a lucky play or something. Think about it. Our D stopped them cold with 5 and 1/2 minutes left in their house. Then, as if that weren't enough, our guys went out there with 4 minutes left and got big plays for first downs when we needed them. And mostly on the ground when they knew damn well we were going to run. After the way we limped out of the last few games at home, you gotta feel good about this win, you just have to.

And lastly, our guys had plenty of opportunity to roll over an quit in this game but they didn't, they hung in there, played their asses off, never gave up and kept their heads up. Hats off for a gutsy, well played game! Kudos! :osu:

when i read that i couldnt believe it. went back, and damn your right. Crazy.
 
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Can't pretend I have read everything throughout the day, as I have been very busy...but damn good win today. We beat a solid team on the road in our very infancy against a GREAT defense. I will take that any day. UFM is going to get this team turned around and fast (not sure you call an annual contender a "turnaound" but you know what I mean :biggrin:.)
 
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