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Game Thread tOSU at Sparty - Sep 29, 3:30 ET, ABC

jlb1705;2224506; said:
My thoughts...

[censored] MSU and their whiny bitch fans. They make that chant about Braxton Miller, and then whine about every hit delivered to their QB or WRs? [censored] right off with that [Mark May].

I have a lot of respect for Mark Dantoino, but it's eroding. Keep making comments in the media. If you're still there when Ohio State rotates back on your schedule, you might come to regret it.

This game was a perfect example of the ways in which Braxton Miller needs to improve. His stats belie just how green he still is.

People keep saying that Ohio State is in trouble because Miller is the entire OSU offense. From where I sit though, it doesn't have to be that way. I know the Buckeyes aren't all that great at the skill positions right now, but there is some help there. The offense could be better and Miller could take fewer hits if he becomes better at making reads and decisions. I lost count of how many times I screamed at my TV to just give up the damn ball to the RB. I'm waiting for a Goldilocks moment from him. First he was carrying the ball too much, then it was not enough... I'm waiting for it to be "just right".

I do agree that the tackling has improved overall from what it was a couple weeks ago. But that one play (you all know the one) was as bad as I've ever seen.

I read thru the entire thread and noticed a lot of complaints about the playcalling. What did you want to see. They had one successful vertical play where Miller locked in on his guy, and credit to D. Smith - he did a great job getting open. There were a ton of other pass plays though where Miller hung on to the ball as long as Joe Bauserman. As a result, when they wanted to pass the ball we were left with a lot of bubble screens. That's an unfortunate thing because I would say that this team executes less than 10% of its attempts on that type of play, between inaccurate throws, poor blocking and poor footwork/positioning/ballcarrying by the receiver. The thing about that kind of play though is that it doesn't require a decision on the part of the quarterback. So when you want to pass, the other team is blitzing and you're having trouble getting your QB to make a read (let alone the correct one) you run plays like that. I don't like it, but I think I understand why it's taking place.

I think this game could have used a bigger dose of Carlos Hyde. He ran like a grown-ass man when he got his chances, he just didn't get enough of them. I would have liked to see some carries from Rod Smith, but with the way the game went I can understand why it didn't happen.

I'm not entirely sure if they have all of the right assistant coaches, but the more I see the more convinced I become that there are personnel issues too. Some of them are going to require growth from young players already in the system. Some of them are going to take players graduating, moving on or being replaced. I'm not going to name names. I think they are playing hard and care about Ohio State for the most part. At the same time, there are positions that are not near the standards that we are used to.

Finally, a few remarks about the commentators. Herbstreit sounds like he was hired from Bleacher Report. Musberger is a horrible caricature of himself. He's a [censored]ing cheerleader, and he doesn't pull it off the way somebody like Gus Johnson does. Let's forget his wink-and-nod relationship with gamblers for a moment (his Pete Rose autograph reference at the end was especially cringeworthy.) When he's talking up an underdog he comes off like a bad cheerleader. When he's talking up a favorite or a traditional power he comes off like a jocksniffing booster with all of his insider crony anecdotes. It's past time for him to hang it up.

Unfortunately, as of week 3, Rod only gets carries out of I-formation. If he can ever pick the playbook up, or the coaching staff feels I formation, with the little plays they have from that set are the best course of action, he will get in the game. Of note, Brionte will also probably not see a snap from shotgun any time soon. Just too risky with all of the variables in the offense.

Will certainly be interesting to see what happens if Jordan can't go for a few weeks. My guess would be whenever a backup is in the game, Braxton won't be allowed to audible.
 
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Didn't realize that a Michigan State player was trying to gouge at the eyes of a Buckeye player, as reported by USA TODAY.

Fairly petty -- but not surprising -- to file a complaint to the Big Ten by Michigan State regarding the tape(s), if the Freep story is true. Seems like something that could be handled wth a phone call.
 
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VBSJ;2224553; said:
Fairly petty -- but not surprising -- to file a complaint to the Big Ten by Michigan State regarding the tape(s), if the Freep story is true. Seems like something that could be handled wth a phone call.

Fortunately it sounds like some adults got involved and it was.
 
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As someone who thought this team was floating by with no gumption early in the season, I'm extremely pleased to see this team fight this one out. I still tend to think that the Buckeyes aren't ready for elite competition, but we won't know this year.

I'm with jlib both about the assistants as well as some of the personnel, particularly the center of the back seven both in base and nickel. You can easily point out that OSU was't getting beaten by the outside receivers much and that most of Maxwell's success came in the middle of the field.

I'm going to point out the obvious: Jon Hankins is the best player on the defense. In the likelihood that he leaves early for the NFL they will really miss him.

I really think this the offense would be so much better with better precision. Corey Brown is not making many miss on those screens, but there seems to be so much wasted momentum and efficiency because of missed timing, accuracy, and/or positioning on those screens.

I know Urban doesn't love the deep passing game. I also can't often see what routes are being run, but doesn't it seem like the deep ball may be one of Devin Smith's biggest strengths? Doesn't it seem like they should go to it more often? I really don't know since I can't see.

Carlos Hyde can get yards that the play design and blocking didn't give him. I would like him to get the ball more.

This offense will take off if Braxton starts making the right reads consistently.
 
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To add to your point about Devin Smith, the deep ball has definitely been his strength but my frustration with him and the other receivers is that they weren't catching as many of the intermediate passes as they should have. Making the big play deep down the field is always nice, but sometimes you just have to move the chains.

Today, there weren't many intermediate pass attempts but for the most part the receivers caught and converted the ones that came to them. In a close game like this one that's a pretty big deal and after the criticism I've given I think they deserve some credit.
 
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As someone who thought this team was floating by with no gumption early in the season, I'm extremely pleased to see this team fight this one out. I still tend to think that the Buckeyes aren't ready for elite competition, but we won't know this year.
Agreed 100%.

I'm with jlib both about the assistants as well as some of the personnel, particularly the center of the back seven both in base and nickel. You can easily point out that OSU was't getting beaten by the outside receivers much and that most of Maxwell's success came in the middle of the field.
Most of that success came against zone as well. One thing you can't ake away from this defense is their commitmente to stopping the run. The run stopping scheme, leads to a lot of opportunity in other areas that are being exploited.

I'm going to point out the obvious: Jon Hankins is the best player on the defense. In the likelihood that he leaves early for the NFL they will really miss him.
Agreed again. Kid pushed the offensive line all day.

I really think this the offense would be so much better with better precision. Corey Brown is not making many miss on those screens, but there seems to be so much wasted momentum and efficiency because of missed timing, accuracy, and/or positioning on those screens.
I just don't think the talent is there. Philly Brown is a nice player, but he doesn't have the explosion so many of us thought or wished he had. Again, he's a nice player, but that extra gear or elite athleticism just isn't there. It's why Urban has put a premium on playmakers like Jalin Marshall for the slot/motion receiver as well.

I know Urban doesn't love the deep passing game. I also can't often see what routes are being run, but doesn't it seem like the deep ball may be one of Devin Smith's biggest strengths? Doesn't it seem like they should go to it more often? I really don't know since I can't see.
I don't think it is fair to say he doesn't like the deep passing game. He puts players in position to execute the deep passing game, but it hasn't clicked. A lot of that falls on the maturation of Braxton. I will say, I wish Devin had a little more ability horizontally. I think he has great straight line speed and jumping ability, but I don't think he has the explosion off the line of scrimmage or the YAC explosion of a truly elite receiver. I think he's a "plus" weapon though. If Braxton can learn to get past his first read, Devin will be the first guy to benefit, IMO. The deep game is there if Braxton can figure it out. I think his lack of ability in-between the hashes is often the reason for his lack of execution on the intermediate throws.

Carlos Hyde can get yards that the play design and blocking didn't give him. I would like him to get the ball more.
Agreed.

This offense will take off if Braxton starts making the right reads consistently.
No doubt.
 
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A couple of thoughts after getting back from EL....

1. The crowd was quiet for a 3-1 team v a 4-0 team both ranked in the top 25. The crowd had a moment or two but was largely quiet.
2. The OSU tailgating scene has really gone south; I enjoyed MSU more than I have enjoyed OSU recently.
3. They had a young person's Hineygate.... no superfat beer swilling dudes or 40 yr old women showing boobs... but really hot girls and edm. I could have tailgated and watched for hours there.
4. The people were pretty nice. I got the expected anti-OSU stuff every now and then but nothing big. I would rate this as one of my favorite experiences
5. I liked how they mice'd up their band which provided a good solution to those that hate pop music at OSU but made it loud enough to put some ooomph in their cheers and fight song.

Oh yeah... I finally got to tell off one of the d-bags.... I think it was Buckeyeman. But I was dismayed with how many people want their picture with this loser. He and the other two can suck on it. All the pictures do is feed their desire for attention and camera time.
 
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OSU_D/;2224594; said:
Oh yeah... I finally got to tell off one of the d-bags.... I think it was Buckeyeman. But I was dismayed with how many people want their picture with this loser. He and the other two can suck on it. All the pictures do is feed their desire for attention and camera time.
Did BukIGuy shoot you with his finger pistols? Scary stuff.
 
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My game thoughts:

Hyde needs more carries. I think now that he is back from his injury, we will see his workload increase. Need to add more quick hitting Dave and off-tackle plays to supplement our option game. I think the potential is there for him to be a premier back in the B1G - top 4 or 5.

Next year will be fun. I just hope that later in this year we will see the flashes of that. Braxton has a lot to learn, yet he is still able to put up numbers that most couldn't on their best day. Not to sound to homer-ific, but Braxton in some ways this year reminds me of where Geno Smith was last year (as far as potential - they are clearly not the same type of QB). I follow WVU pretty closely and a recurring theme of last year was Geno putting up a good game - let's say 280+ yards and 3 TDs - and Holgersan after the game telling the media "Geno did ok today, he really only knows 30% of the offense, once he learns this offense better, he will be great." Some WVU fans and I talked about him saying this seemingly every week last year and said that this is either just your standard motivational BS or that Geno Smith had a good shot at going to NY this year (this was before the Orange Bowl put him on everyone's watch list). I imagine a Brax that could read the option correctly and find the open guy in the passing game and can't help but getting excited.

Disappointed to hear about 'tape-gate'. I hope (but doubt) that it was an oversight on our end. As a coach and a son of a coach, I've always considered the trading of tapes as SOP and part of the game. I have been on the receiving end of edited tapes and BS excuses on why tapes weren't available. Every time, I have considered it very bush league. That said - pre-snap motion and formations are readily available on TV broadcasts - you do not need an all-22 tape to see them. So, [censored] MSU for bitching about something that they could have sat a GA in a room for 8 hours and gotten on their own. And double [censored] you for taking it public (many days later after you lost - guess on the chances we hear that story after a MSU win anyone?) instead of taking it up internally first.

The decision to emphasize the strip on defense - an Urban thing or a Withers thing? I think it has to be one of these, as they are the two new variables this year.

Edit: Have to add. Disappointed to see Gholston back in the game. I hope the B1G looks into this decision. Despite the $$$$ CFB rakes in, these kids are still amateurs and some things are more important than where your team will fall in the Legends division. Would be equally disappointed if it was one of our guys. And still think Meyer made the wrong call bringing back Tebow the week after a concussion at FL. In college, always should err on the side of caution, IMO, and if there is any grey area, the head coach needs to step up sit the guy (unless he is Saban, then play the kid and give him a medical hardship waiver and sideline passes so he can be part of the team when he is brain-dead)
 
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Dryden;2224603; said:
Did BukIGuy shoot you with his finger pistols? Scary stuff.

The only time I ever saw BukIGuy in person was before the Thursday night Marshall game a couple years ago. He was standing off in a corner at a mostly empty RiverJam eating an entire pizza by himself. I figured there was nothing I could say to him in that situation that he wasn't already kinda saying about himself. :lol:
 
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