Game Thread tOSU at Penn State, Sat. Nov. 2, 12pm ET, FOX

[NastyNatiBuck]

Post Game Notes

7. In general, the Buckeye defense is susceptible to quarterback runs and this includes Wildcat plays. Penn State tight end Tyler Warren, undoubtedly a great player, burned Ohio State for 47 yards on three Wildcat runs, including a 33-yard dash on 3rd-and-6 that gave Penn State a 1st-and-goal at the 3-yard line (see second goal line stand, above). You can bet that the scUM coaching staff has noticed this weakness and will have prepared plenty of plays for their running quarterback, Alex Orji.

It seems like we can get formation'd into a position where we're REALLY light in the box defensively on downs and distances where it isn't unusual to run. It kept happening against Oregon, and it happened a few times against Penn State. I noticed it on seemingly every Warren run.

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

Yea, I don't see how you can overturn that type of play without an overhead or maybe back pylon shot. It's the same reason you need a shot straight down the goal line to overturn a close run TD. Refs fucked up.

No, they didn't. They can easily overturn the call, because it was called a TD on the field, and replay clearly showed it wasn't a TD. It also clearly showed the ball going over the pylon. Let's not be Penn State fans.

 

[Tanner]

All in all you can't really complain about a defensive performance when you give up 6 points in a road win. My only nitpicks would be giving up several first down runs to Allar on plays where you were also not getting pressure (and they had no downfield passing threat) is pretty frustrating. And giving up 47 yards on a 3 TE Wildcat runs is ridiculous.

I'm a fan of Howard overall. I think it's clear he has some leadership qualities that McCord was maybe lacking. Obviously the deep ball is not a strength and he makes a couple plays per game where you want to pull your hair out, but if he was perfect he wouldn't be here, he'd be in the NFL.

 

[AKAK]

The job of the replay official is NOT to get the call right. The job of the replay official is to overturn "only those plays where the absolute standard of indisputable video evidence is met." (emphasis in original). In most cases, the "problem" with replay officials is overturning a call on the field when there is clearly a lack of "indisputable video evidence" to justify their decision (see Ohio State vs Georgia in the 2022 playoffs, Ohio State vs Clemson in the 2019 playoffs, etc.).

This play presents an unusual problem – the call on the field was a touchdown but the indisputable video evidence showed that there was no touchdown. Although the indisputable video evidence showed what DID NOT happen, it didn't show what actually DID happen – did the fumbled football go out of bounds or through the end zone? So based on the indisputable video evidence, the replay officials have to overturn the call of touchdown, but on what basis can they make the call of touchback? Quite simply, they can't make that call because the evidence does not support it. To be fair, neither can they make the call of out of bounds, because the evidence does not support that call either. Maybe in such a case the play should be a "do over" – Ohio State ball on the 13-yard line, 1st-and-10.

I was actually thinking about the do over option at the time, given this other thing happened. That said I think they got the call as right as they could.

 

[woofermazing]

The job of the replay official is NOT to get the call right. The job of the replay official is to overturn "only those plays where the absolute standard of indisputable video evidence is met." (emphasis in original). In most cases, the "problem" with replay officials is overturning a call on the field when there is clearly a lack of "indisputable video evidence" to justify their decision (see Ohio State vs Georgia in the 2022 playoffs, Ohio State vs Clemson in the 2019 playoffs, etc.).

This play presents an unusual problem – the call on the field was a touchdown but the indisputable video evidence showed that there was no touchdown. Although the indisputable video evidence showed what DID NOT happen, it didn't show what actually DID happen – did the fumbled football go out of bounds or through the end zone? So based on the indisputable video evidence, the replay officials have to overturn the call of touchdown, but on what basis can they make the call of touchback? Quite simply, they can't make that call because the evidence does not support it. To be fair, neither can they make the call of out of bounds, because the evidence does not support that call either. Maybe in such a case the play should be a "do over" – Ohio State ball on the 13-yard line, 1st-and-10.

Really good point. It absolutely wasn't a touchdown. If the actual call had been either fumbled out of bounds or fumbled out of the endzone, they stand with the call on the field for both.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

The facts about the PSU-OSU game that many PSU fans are too cowardly or self-loathing to admit

The final score of this game was Ohio State 20, Penn State 13. Let's review how Ohio State got to 20 points. The first touchdown was legitimate. The second touchdown was bull****. There was no "taunting" worthy of a 15 yard penalty and automatic first down. You know what else? If you wanted...

pennstate.forums.rivals.com

Shockingly, almost all the other pedsters shout him down. Imagine taking the time to come up with and write that screed only to have all your fellow pedsters tell you that you're an imbecile.

 

[AKAK]

Shockingly, almost all the other pedsters shout him down. Imagine taking the time to come up with and write that screed only to have all your fellow pedsters tell you that you're an imbecile.

I honestly assumed you wrote it

 

[Buck I in Mich]

The one post over there, and copied here, somewhere, tries to say some scores were legitimate and others weren't. And then the poster takes those points off the board, and tries to say that the final score is different. That's all fine and good for those of us who sit on the couch and bitch and whine and then bitch some more. But in reality, one play can change how the rest of the game is played. And it's to the point where you can't just say, "If this happened, the other team would have won." (Okay, fine, if it's in the last couple of plays of the game, you can say that.)

The way it was explained to me was with baseball. Say your team is down by 2, with a runner on first base and 1 out. The runner gets thrown out trying to steal 2nd base. The next pitch is hit for a home run. It's easy to say, "Dang! If he hadn't tried to steal, we'd be tied, now." Not necessarily. Maybe the pitcher decided that with 2 outs and he's up 2, he can give up the home run and still have the lead, so he pitches something that he's more likely to get a strike. He doesn't want to walk the batter, after all.

So, some touchdown that Ohio State scored that the Penn State nerds decide are "illegitimate", well, first of all, eff them. Second of all, there's no way to know for sure what would have happened if it was called differently. Ohio State may have punted, and Penn State muffed it and Ohio State scores 2 plays later anyway. You don't know.
If Ohio State scores on that Will Howard fumble, taking a 21-10 lead, maybe a Penn State fan takes James Franklin to the locker room, and someone with some understanding takes over, and Penn State wins 31-21.

Being taken to the locker room means something totally different in Happy Valley.

 

[zbuck]

Quinshon's incompletion fumble reversal was the right call, I thought, because the standard in football has been second foot down = reception. And of course Q did not complete the second step with the ball.

I remember a certain Clemson receiver that took four steps and it wasn’t a completion.

 

[zbuck]

Anyone know a young person to ask what's up with the bird flapping?

No fly zone ?

 

[Thump]

 

[scarletngray]

yeah but they were mixing in runs and passes so it's not like the D knew we were just lining up with 2 TEs and running every single play.

what's that?

Don't forget the 2-3 trick plays as well.

 

[ScriptOhio]

 

[Thump]

 

[ScriptOhio]

Anyone know a young person to ask what's up with the bird flapping?

What was the bird flapping?

No fly zone ?

Yeah, that's it.

Penn State secondary celebrates its ‘No Fly Zone’ for opposing quarterbacks

Joey Porter Jr. explained the Penn State secondary's unique celebration that has spread to the rest of the team.

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Penn State secondary celebrates its ‘No Fly Zone’ for opposing quarterbacks​

Joey Porter Jr. explained the Penn State secondary's unique celebration that has spread to the rest of the team​

Sep 28th, 2022

“Every time we make a play on the ball, we do the celebration,” cornerback Joey Porter Jr. explained Wednesday morning. “It means ‘No Fly Zone.’ It started in the corner room, and everybody on the team just started doing it, and it's just the thing we do on the team now. We got the coaches doing it, and some of the fans are starting to do it. It's a nice little movement.”