tOSU 61, Purdue 65 (Final)

[Buckeye Nut]

But that is my point, and the reason I hate your argument. We played our asses off to even be in a position to win the game. If you're in position to get a rebound that will give your chance a team to tie or take the lead, and you get plowed over giving up an offensive rebound and the opposing team a huge advantage, then what?? PJ did everything he was supposed to do on that play, and was run over.....

I see nothing wrong with pointing that out, and if you don't think Thad is doing the same thing, again you are crazy. That play has already been cut from the game-tape and on the way to the Big 10 office....

Yeah, it was a bad call at a bad time. But I don't believe in pining 40 minutes on one play when we had so many opportunies on our own to win. The rebounding was painful to watch again, we gave up open threes all over the place, didn't get a stop on something like six straight possessions late in the 2nd half, gave up a 10-0 run midway through the 2nd half, etc. If we would've played a great game up until then and had that call I'd be upset, we played pretty good but far from perfect and I'm always going to look at things we can control first before I blame anybody else. Sorry if I'm offending anybody, but in sports a absolutely loathe it when other fans blame the refs...hence why many of us refer to Miami as Cryami. I just think blaming refs doesn't accomplish anything, I don't care if Matta wants to point some things out to the NCAA, he should do that. But I know he's not saying we lost because of the refs because that teaches his players nothing. If you think you're already good enough and it was the refs fault then that doesn't promote to your players that they need to get better, it tells them you're good enough, you just caught a bad break.

 

[Buckeye Nut]

I win. Got any other arguments for me to explode???

Congrats, this is a big day for you I'm sure. It's not that I don't have any more arguements, I choose not to waste my time since one can't rationalize with the irrational. BTW, one question mark is sufficient if you have a question.

 

[Fungo Squiggly]

Enough with embarassing our fanbase, eh?

Read my posts. We said, more or less, the exact same thing in the below quoted posts. I was frustrated by the officiating and found a couple of the calls to be particularly tough, but I never once blamed the officiating for the loss.

However, that being said, Tressel has the right idea about officiating. If it comes down to a couple of tough calls, you probably didn't play well enough to win. The offense got really stagnant in times in the 2nd half and Purdue knocked down their shots while OSU didn't.

Only 1-6 from 3 in the 2nd half when it mattered, gave up 14 offensive rebounds, and committed 12 turnovers. OSU could have played through the tough calls and gotten the win, but they didn't.

Yeah, it was a bad call at a bad time. But I don't believe in pining 40 minutes on one play when we had so many opportunies on our own to win. The rebounding was painful to watch again, we gave up open threes all over the place, didn't get a stop on something like six straight possessions late in the 2nd half, gave up a 10-0 run midway through the 2nd half, etc. If we would've played a great game up until then and had that call I'd be upset, we played pretty good but far from perfect and I'm always going to look at things we can control first before I blame anybody else. Sorry if I'm offending anybody, but in sports a absolutely loathe it when other fans blame the refs...hence why many of us refer to Miami as Cryami. I just think blaming refs doesn't accomplish anything, I don't care if Matta wants to point some things out to the NCAA, he should do that. But I know he's not saying we lost because of the refs because that teaches his players nothing. If you think you're already good enough and it was the refs fault then that doesn't promote to your players that they need to get better, it tells them you're good enough, you just caught a bad break.

 

[Mike80]

Congrats, this is a big day for you I'm sure. It's not that I don't have any more arguements, I choose not to waste my time since one can't rationalize with the irrational. BTW, one question mark is sufficient if you have a question.

Then quit responding. It's very easy.

Myles Brand thanks you for your patronage.

 

[Buckeye Nut]

Read my posts. We said, more or less, the exact same thing in the below quoted posts. I was frustrated by the officiating and found a couple of the calls to be particularly tough, but I never once blamed the officiating for the loss.

Sorry, I wasn't specifically calling you out just those that were putting an inordinate amount of the result on the refs. Once again, didn't mean to call you out, I think we're all frustrated and it's time to look ahead to next week.:gobucks3::gobucks4:

 

[billmac91]

Yeah, it was a bad call at a bad time. But I don't believe in pining 40 minutes on one play when we had so many opportunies on our own to win. The rebounding was painful to watch again, we gave up open threes all over the place, didn't get a stop on something like six straight possessions late in the 2nd half, gave up a 10-0 run midway through the 2nd half, etc. If we would've played a great game up until then and had that call I'd be upset, we played pretty good but far from perfect and I'm always going to look at things we can control first before I blame anybody else. Sorry if I'm offending anybody, but in sports a absolutely loathe it when other fans blame the refs...hence why many of us refer to Miami as Cryami. I just think blaming refs doesn't accomplish anything, I don't care if Matta wants to point some things out to the NCAA, he should do that. But I know he's not saying we lost because of the refs because that teaches his players nothing. If you think you're already good enough and it was the refs fault then that doesn't promote to your players that they need to get better, it tells them you're good enough, you just caught a bad break.

I understand the philosophy behind what you are saying, and you are correct. If I'm a head coach, I'm not bitching about the officials post game in the lockerroom b/c it is a bad message.

With that being said, there were a lot of no calls and bad calls throughout the game that went against the Bucks. All things being equal, Purdue is probably slightly better than OSU, so them getting the breaks, makes winning nearly impossible. And there are going to be momentum shifts in a game, and you aren't going to play great for 40 minutes. They did a great job to even be in the game at the end.....I just hate this philosopy that you had other chances to win the game or its your fault you were in that position. But Ohio State never gives up a 10-0 run in the second half if Evan Turner gets just 1 call going to the hoop. Maybe breaking that momentum changes the flow of the game...who knows.

I just hate inconsistent and poor officiating. And to be honest, this game was far from as bad as the last Purdue game....but still some of the missed calls leave me scratching my head and wondering what they look at sometimes.

 

[NFBuck]

Oh my gosh, shut up about the officials already you crybabies! We lost the game on our own!

With some help. If a couple of those obvious calls go our way, we may have the trophy. ET didn't get to the line until late in the 2nd half despite getting mugged numerous times. If you couldn't see that, then I don't know what to say. Would they have taken advantage of the calls and pulled it out? Who knows. Doesn't matter now. I'm proud of these guys and feel good heading into the dance as I'm sure you do.

Congrats, this is a big day for you I'm sure. It's not that I don't have any more arguements, I choose not to waste my time since one can't rationalize with the irrational. BTW, one question mark is sufficient if you have a question.

Off to the e!spn boards?

 

[LitlBuck]

A little late but props to the Buckeyes. I did not give them much good chance of winning this game but they played their asses off and if a few more shots would have fallen for them they would have won the game.

I notice that the officiating has been discussed back and forth in the past few pages of this thread. I would like to say that I do think Ohio State did not benefit from the officiating and I felt the same way yesterday. It seems like there were a lot of over the back calls that were not made but we have to learn to play through those and go up and rebound tougher with two hands. We also need to grab loose balls rather than trying to dribble them. Let's get possession of them first. The officiating is ever going to get any better for either team so we need to get over that even though that is a very bitter pill to swallow.

 

[MaxBuck]

I need to vent just a little here.

1. First of all, props to the Boilers. Matt Painter gets an awful lot out of the talent he has. The steal-focused defense gave the Buckeyes fits for many possessions. Hard to overcome a -7 turnover margin.

2. Offensive boards - 5 for tOSU, 12 for Purdue. That's a coaching issue, and it is getting increasingly difficult to watch.

3. A total of 12 minutes played for BJ Mullens. What on earth is up with that?

All in all, the past two seasons have not been Thad Matta's finest bench work IMO. But the Buckeyes overall showed in the BTT what kind of potential they have. A lot of talent out there. Hope Buford and Turner are back next year to play with Dave Lighty and the boys.

 

[Mike80]

I need to vent just a little here.

1. First of all, props to the Boilers. Matt Painter gets an awful lot out of the talent he has. The steal-focused defense gave the Buckeyes fits for many possessions. Hard to overcome a -7 turnover margin.

2. Offensive boards - 5 for tOSU, 12 for Purdue. That's a coaching issue, and it is getting increasingly difficult to watch.

3. A total of 12 minutes played for BJ Mullens. What on earth is up with that?

All in all, the past two seasons have not been Thad Matta's finest bench work IMO.

which may explain why Dallas looked a bit gassed at the end of the game.....

 

[billmac91]

I need to vent just a little here.

1. First of all, props to the Boilers. Matt Painter gets an awful lot out of the talent he has. The steal-focused defense gave the Buckeyes fits for many possessions. Hard to overcome a -7 turnover margin.

2. Offensive boards - 5 for tOSU, 12 for Purdue. That's a coaching issue, and it is getting increasingly difficult to watch.

3. A total of 12 minutes played for BJ Mullens. What on earth is up with that?

All in all, the past two seasons have not been Thad Matta's finest bench work IMO. But the Buckeyes overall showed in the BTT what kind of potential they have. A lot of talent out there. Hope Buford and Turner are back next year to play with Dave Lighty and the boys.

Quite honestly, BJ was lost today. He didn't rebound, and he was lost on rotations. Dallas played extremely good defense for a majority of the game.

If you looked at a + - differenetial like they do in the NBA, I'd imagine Dallas was a plus 5 or 10 with BJ at a - 10 or 15. It was just a rough a day on the defensive end for BJ.

 

[LitlBuck]

Quite honestly, BJ was lost today. He didn't rebound, and he was lost on rotations. Dallas played extremely good defense for a majority of the game.

If you looked at a + - differenetial like they do in the NBA, I'd imagine Dallas was a plus 5 or 10 with BJ at a - 10 or 15. It was just a rough a day on the defensive end for BJ.

I guess I don't understand how you can do a + and a - four guys when they play a different number of minutes. Sometimes the other team has different players in the game which makes a difference and sometimes the entire game is different. I guess I don't understand why Thad recruits is supposedly one and done player and then doesn't play him very much. I admit that he has problems playing in the zone sometimes but Dallas needs to work on his free-throw shooting so he is a offensive liability at times. I would have liked to see Mullens in the game more and, in fact, I would have liked to see him more during the entire season.

 

[Buckeye Nut]

Quite honestly, BJ was lost today. He didn't rebound, and he was lost on rotations. Dallas played extremely good defense for a majority of the game.

If you looked at a + - differenetial like they do in the NBA, I'd imagine Dallas was a plus 5 or 10 with BJ at a - 10 or 15. It was just a rough a day on the defensive end for BJ.

BJ's a very inconsistent player and today was one of his really bad days. Like you said totally lost on defense, left #44 wide open that one time in the 2nd half and had to foul him. Sometimes I wonder if B.J. wasn't born in Europe as weak as he attacks the rim sometimes. I'm sorry, but that time he got fouled and missed the layup you've got to finish and make that the three-point play like Special K pointed out during the broadcast. Dallas did play well fortunately although he needed to be more physical and not let JJ get the ball down low so easily. Matta made the right decision by not playing BJ much because he simply was a liability out there today.

 

[OregonBuckeye]

Maybe this is why:

"At one point Buford was sittingin a timeout and we had to take him out. He was dizzy. He was spinning around. Those guys haven't gone through this at this level."


"I'm a little bit worried about B. J. It's a long season. We need him back jump started."

Per Mr. Ed per Thad Matta on the-ozone.

 

[billmac91]

I guess I don't understand how you can do a + and a - four guys when they play a different number of minutes. Sometimes the other team has different players in the game which makes a difference and sometimes the entire game is different. I guess I don't understand why Thad recruits is supposedly one and done player and then doesn't play him very much. I admit that he has problems playing in the zone sometimes but Dallas needs to work on his free-throw shooting so he is a offensive liability at times. I would have liked to see Mullens in the game more and, in fact, I would have liked to see him more during the entire season.

Litl.....all the + - is, is a analysis of how the team performed with you on the court. When BJ was on the court today, Purdue went on runs, and really dominated the game. When Dallas was in, for a majority of the game, Ohio State defended well, and played good offense.

Just a guess, but I bet Dallas was a + today, with BJ being deep in the minus.