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Tom Herman (Former Head Coach FAU Owls)

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ImFrigginFly said:
Of course the defense's issues were well documented. And I understand you're trying to deflect some of the criticism away from Herman. I don't try to imply that the losses and close wins have been ALL his fault. However, there has clearly been some pretty bad playcalling/gameplanning in those 2 losses, along with the one loss this year.
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Sparty was ranked #1 on defense that year. Give them some credit. Meanwhile, the Ohio State defense let a passing offense ranked somewhere in the 100s rack up over 300 passing yards and 34 points.

In the Orange Bowl, Ohio State put up 500 yards of offense and 35 points. The defense gave up 40 pts and nearly 600 yards, 200 of them coming from one receiver. Bill Lucas is right, offense wasn't the problem in those losses.
 
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buckeyebri said:
I know discussed ad naseum in the past but I think the point he is trying to make is TH in crunch time appears less than spectacular. The 2 calls at the end of the BIG championship that Carlos was not involved in....yada yada..and then the 3rd and1s last night that we failed on....MENSA
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UFM is on record as saying he wanted the ball in Millers hands against Sparty. So this not all TH. TH ain't perfect but when our offense scored as much as it did against Sparty and Clemson, it's hard to say that those losses were the offensive coordinators doing.
 
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I understand having a conservative game plan. Some games call for it, especially when you have a young, inexperienced quarterback. What I don't understand is why our conservative game plans = pass only when necessary and call 50 runs up the middle, half of them with the quarterback. Can't you have a conservative passing attack? Isn't the reason you recruit fast, smaller, shifty guys so you can get them the ball easily and hope they make something out of almost nothing?
 
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Bill Lucas said:
Does he coach the defense because that is where those two games were lost.
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Er... Idk about that. Football isn't the ultimate team sport for no reason. In both of those games, the O had the opportunity to salt it away, and in both games they didn't. Yes, the D gave up the go-ahead score, but they both did so after the O failed.

In a way, that makes last night's game a little more satisfying to me. Both sides of the ball had adversity, and both sides picked the other side up.

Team is the name of the game, and if nothing else, last night was a tremendous team building exercise. This is a VERY close knit team, and I love them for it.
 
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http://www.cleveland.com/datacentral/index.ssf/2014/10/2014_ohio_state_buckeye_top_sc.html

2012 was 37.2 PPG per game.

I get that the game is becoming flag football and causing point inflation, and there is always room for improvement, but let's keep things in perspective. Herman's offenses are doing historically unprecedented things at OSU. Also, it seems to me that he should get some credit for taking a dual threat QB that missed most of his senior season of high school and turning him into a pretty damn efficient machine when he's not under heavy duress. The next step is getting him there when he is under heavy duress, but that's a steep mountain for any QB, much less a young one with a young OL.

Finally, as far as the charge of excessive conservatism goes, it's been a constant for OSU football for my entire life (I'm 45) and probably since the big bang. Getting it fixed 100% has to come from the top. It's begun on both sides of the ball though (not sure I saw a single 3-man rush on Saturday night and the soft zones are gone and witness how much more up tempo the offense is becoming, how often the O goes for it on 4th down . . .).

Let's be upfront about the real concern here and why there's so much bipolar disorder by fans regarding Herman: When Ohio State loses bowl games and other big games, not just under Meyer and Herman but since forever, it is almost always because they cannot make a defense pay for aggressively stacking the line and pressuring the QB. Until they prove otherwise, we'll always have the nagging feeling that our offense will get rolled when it really matters in a big game against a team with a nasty DL: The back to back NC losses and the 2008 USC fiasco weigh especially heavily in our collective consciousness, but it goes back much further to the 1998 Sugar Bowl, all those close low-scoring Cooper bowl losses to SEC teams, and likely well before that.

But it's changing. It might not look like it at first glance, but 280 yards rushing and 24 points against last year's MSU team isn't the usual incompetence against an elite D and would have been enough with a vintage OSU D. 35 against an aggressive, if not elite, Clemson unit should have been enough but for the defensive shit show. Va. Tech was 90% an inexperience issue and won't happen again for a very long time. And last night, they overcame. It wasn't pretty, but in the end, when down in OT, they scored, easily, . . . and then they did it again.

I'm not sure that this team is mentally tough enough (which may really mean experienced enough: Cannot keep extending other teams' drives with dumb penalties) or talented enough on the O line to win at MSU in two weeks, but they very well might be. If they do win that game, they won't lose again (unless they sneak into the playoff in which case they could) for a long time and last Saturday will be looked back on as the night that they began to become truly elite.
 
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buckeyebri said:
I know discussed ad naseum in the past but I think the point he is trying to make is TH in crunch time appears less than spectacular. The 2 calls at the end of the BIG championship that Carlos was not involved in....yada yada..and then the 3rd and1s last night that we failed on....MENSA
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Dude, please stop with the "MENSA" thing. It says a lot more about you than it does about Herman.
 
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Tanner said:
I understand having a conservative game plan. Some games call for it, especially when you have a young, inexperienced quarterback. What I don't understand is why our conservative game plans = pass only when necessary and call 50 runs up the middle, half of them with the quarterback. Can't you have a conservative passing attack? Isn't the reason you recruit fast, smaller, shifty guys so you can get them the ball easily and hope they make something out of almost nothing?
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Fair criticism. One thing may be that in prior games JT has been pretty close to being picked on some of those quick outs . . . and those are the kind of picks that tend to be pick sixes. Not really disagreeing with your point, just playing a little bit of devil's advocate. They trusted the D, and it couldn't quite get the job done (in regulation).
 
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