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Tom Herman (Former Head Coach FAU Owls)

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@buckeyesin07

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Herman, though, said that he and the rest of the coaching staff never had a moment where it laid out an entirely new plan centered around Barrett instead of Miller.

“I don’t know if we ever really sat down this week after reflecting about what happened last week and said, ‘You don’t have Braxton, we do have this. We gotta do (this),’” Herman said after Ohio State’s 66-0 dismantling over an overmatched Kent State team Saturday. “There’s strengths that J.T. has that you have to play to, and some of those are he reads coverages well, he throws and accurate ball, he does things really well on the field in terms of that.”
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http://theozone.net/Ohio-State/Foot...ormula-with-JT-Barrett-and-not-Braxton-Miller
 
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Certainly more evidence of "we are going to impose our will regardless" instead of being creative. Look, I like Herman but I've just not been in the camp of crowning him a creative offensive genius. There are a lot of those types in college and pro to compare him to and frankly I don't hold him in the same category. In all fairness though we are watching him work with a HC that is just now putting all the pieces together for his type of offense. It has been an evolution to be sure. He played a major role in landing JT and from what I have seen so far out of the young QB I am impressed. Perhaps he leans a little more on the QB development side than a great OC. I think, if anything it's probably premature to say exactly how good he is. I will put it this way, it's not often that you have to debate who you lose, an OL coach or an OC but at this point I would rather keep Warinner if it came down to it. Of course with the last transition we lost the OL coach and the OC in the same day and I didn't mind that too bad.

Edit: I do realize Warinner and Herman are Co-OC but I don't get the impression Warinner calls the plays. Maybe I am wrong on that.
 
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Bleed S & G said:
@buckeyesin07

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http://theozone.net/Ohio-State/Foot...ormula-with-JT-Barrett-and-not-Braxton-Miller
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AuTX Buckeye said:
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Bleed S & G said:
I thought I read somewhere that Herman said they never tweaked the Braxton gameplan until J.T. failed against VT. If this is true, why are we even discussing this still?
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Bleed S & G said:
@buckeyesin07

Here it is:

http://theozone.net/Ohio-State/Foot...ormula-with-JT-Barrett-and-not-Braxton-Miller
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That quote doesn't read to me as if he's saying "they never tweaked the Braxton gameplan until J.T. failed against VT". He says, “There’s strengths that J.T. has that you have to play to", which sounds like "tweaking" to fit his personnel. In terms of what they supposedly did not do, it sounds more like he's saying they didn't (and don't) have any hard rules on plays they won't run, or plays they must run some certain amount of times, because of the QB change, which I think is not the same as "no tweaks".

Also, the quote seems to refer to the staff's mindset in the week after the Virginia Tech game, which isn't consistent with the characterization of "never tweaked...until J.T. failed against VT".
 
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zincfinger said:
I don't think the OSU offense spent all summer getting ready for the triple option.
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bukIpower said:
Urban stated that we have been since the spring. We had practices built around how to stop the option but especially once fall practice started we got into prep mode for Navy...
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I think you're missing the distinction I'm drawing between the OSU offense and the OSU defense. The OSU defense likely did spend much of the offseason preparing for the Navy triple option. The OSU offense probably did not. And it's not clear why the OSU defense's offseason work in preparation for the triple option would have any particular effect on the OSU offense's ability to prepare for the Virginia Tech defense.
 
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We played relatively badly against VT, as I'm sure the coaching staff would agree. Some of that is likely the result of inexperienced personnel, and some is likely the result of imperfect game planning. (I don't think for a minute it relates to overall talent, as I think we are more talented than the Hokies.) Yes, we were outcoached; that happens sometimes, especially when facing Bud Foster.

With that said, if you're looking for a perfect coach, you won't find him. I'm still really happy with Herman, though obviously he isn't perfect. I'm certain he'd agree.

Not trying to squelch debate here, but just wanted to make those points.
 
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MaxBuck said:
We played relatively badly against VT, as I'm sure the coaching staff would agree. Some of that is likely the result of inexperienced personnel, and some is likely the result of imperfect game planning. (I don't think for a minute it relates to overall talent, as I think we are more talented than the Hokies.) Yes, we were outcoached; that happens sometimes, especially when facing Bud Foster.

With that said, if you're looking for a perfect coach, you won't find him. I'm still really happy with Herman, though obviously he isn't perfect. I'm certain he'd agree.

Not trying to squelch debate here, but just wanted to make those points.
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I would agree with this. I'm hopeful that the coaches put a little pressure on themselves after the V Tech loss and shouldered some of the blame. I'm sure they always do in a loss but something tells me they did a little more after that one. Hopefully they adapt and improve.
 
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Taosman said:
"Be extremely subtle, even to the point of formlessness. Be extremely mysterious, even to the point of soundlessness. Thereby you can be the director of the opponent's fate."

Sun Tzu
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So.... fire Herman? 8D

I was wondering... if last year was "Fire Fickell", and this year it's "Fire Herman" ... who will it be next year? (Maybe this belongs in the stupid questions thread...)
 
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maximumblitz said:
Did tOSU set several offensive records last year? Does any credit goto THerman?
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Fair question. You could ask the same question and insert Braxton Miller and Carlos Hyde as well. I think Herman is a fine coach. He's not the genius that some portray him out to be, nor is he incompetent. What some have alluded to is that he has shown tendencies to be out coached when facing top flight defensive coaches. I think it's his rigidness in sticking to a game plan that's been snuffed out that rubs some the wrong way.
 
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