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Can't find BTN link, but here's quote.
http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2014/...named-co-defensive-coordinator-safeties-coach
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maximumblitz
Buckeye Samurai of Big League Blitzkreig
Meyer was quoted by ESPN as saying that he was out coached by the Buffalo head coach. So obviously, it is time to fire Meyer.
I think it is stylistic. Like when the coaches got into a "no it was my fault" argument when it came out earlier this year that the tight end (forgot his name) was allowed to talk to the press. When Meyer heard of it, he said "that TE has not earned that". From off camera, someone said "that is my fault". Then Meyer said "no it is my fault". Then Meyer said it again, so he won the argument.
Mea Culpa
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RugbyBuck
Our church has no bells.
I never said or implied that Herman should be fired. I'm not part of the lunatic fringe. However, the comment was made that he appeared to have been out-coached in several big games since taking over for Bollman and I was simply pointing out that this was not necessarily a new phenomenon and quoting him in support of that statement. To Herman's credit, he manned up and endorsed Ash for the position because of the work he'd put in against him. Can you have a bad day and be out-coached? Of course. If it happens somewhat regularly, especially when it counts most (conference championship, bowl game, national tv night game...) it might mean, though, that you're not the messiah as hyped.
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Jagdaddy
Head Coach
Some times being "outcoached" means that that other team has good players too. I would, as a philosophical matter, like to see OSU commit to being up tempo more often and to using the middle of the field more for quick hitters in the short and intermediate passing game. I'd also like to see the "I" formation brought back for limited use in short yardage situations. Otherwise, I'll just keep watching OSU offensive records fall. I think we're about to see great things soon because Barrett looks like he's already ahead of the typical OSU QB curve for going through his progressions and delivering an accurate catchable ball and Ed Warriner's our OL coach.
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This is why this thread is interesting... I almost want to see none of this stuff.
Not true, but its interesting how people percieve the problem differently.
Personally, I'd think the book on beating Ohio State right now is simply, get ahead of them. Its no one thing, but Herman, to me, play calls and they act like they need to score 14 points a drive when they're behind. Its like hitting a 6 run dinger, its not going to happen... (I get it, the opposite side of the coin is too nonchalant, but, even in the 2nd quarter they freak out). The kicker is, that sometimes you can score too quickly, if you do it too often. I'm not sitting here saying to baby the defense, but, at times they do things that are almost intentionally counterproductive. And I'm not worried about Time of Possession as much as actual time sometimes but, in the 2nd quarter, OSU and Va Tech traded a couple negative yardage drives, (or something like that) - I think these were after the missed FG's... but on one of them, Va Tech I think snapped the ball like 5 times (there were some penalties) but, the point being that for a minus 5 play (or whatever it was) 3 and out in the box score, it took them something like 10 minutes of actual clock time (not game clock) after their D just gave up three scoring drives (regardless of the 2 FG misses). Ohio State by contrast was frentic in their 3 and outs and put the D (that just got them the ball back twice, maybe 3 times right back on the field)****
Also, Herman tends to run home to mama on the play calling... at the end of the day, and maybe this goes back to wanting to see I, but, not really, and I get stacking the box, and I get that the O-Line is iffy, but, Meyer said it when he came that we'd be a power run team from the spread, and sometimes, just sometimes you have to be true to that first. Sometimes you're not gonna score in 5 plays doing it... and sometimes you have to throw it over the top when there are 10 guys on the LOS. I get all that, but generally but sometimes the left hand needs to know what the right hand is doing.
***Just looked it up, and I'm not gonna go put a stopwatch on it... but, in the 2nd quarter against Va Tech, following the second Va tech TD, the D forced 3 punts where Va Tech ran 12 plays for 5 net yards. Ohio States offense possessed the ball for 4 minutes (game time) on the 3 possesions that resulted... including a 6 play- 59 second drive that resulted in the second missed FG.
The next drive Va Tech scored in 1:09.
So, I think there's a general management problem there.
(oh, and keep JT out of situations where he can take negative plays, he can't - yet - overcome them like Braxton)
(oh, and outlaw the jet sweep, just because I hate it)
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The argument of the other team having good players is out the window after VT lost two straight to ECU and Georgia Tech. They are not a good team at all, as I suspected. We played our worst, they played their best, and they out-coached us in almost every facet. It took the perfect storm and it happened. Matt Millan called it in the Kent State game in saying that he blames the coaches equal to the players in the loss for not adjusting at all. One half I could understand being taken aback. But there should have been substantial adjustments in the 2nd half and they never happened.
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I think they could have called better plays on offense, though the refusal to catch the football or block overshadows that weakness by a large margin. They could have done a better job working around that but those two qualities will make the opposing team look brilliantly coached.
I feel that the defense was called pretty well. They forced brewer to make a lot of tough plays and he made them almost every time (and so did a very average bunch of guys catching the ball). They pressed, blitzed, pressured and forced a lot of 3rd and long situations.
This is not a great defense that can hide a bad offense like heacock and Dantonio did regularly. That is the goal but they are making nice strides and show far better coaching and discipline than last year.
I'm curious how many Buckeye fans noticed that ecu hung 70 on unc. They have a high powered o with well known fantasy football studs. Va tech is not a great team but their corners are very good and brewer was beyond clutch.
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bukIpower
Head Coach
I get the drops but it's not like they were dropping wide open first downs all game. Other than the dropped TD, long ball drop, and Dontre on the first series I too found the play calling horrible. You can't call plays worring if players are going to catch the ball or not.
Like it was said I too get the impression that TH freaks out when we get stopped a time or two and it gets amplified if we fall behind in that same stretch. Although it was Kent I liked the game plan we took. Spread the field to create space, run off tackle, Involve the backs/TE on quick routes and attack the middle of the defense where they just shot blitzes.
Like a previous poster said. Sometimes small victories are best (and surely the most demoralizing) when we go 10 plays with 3 first downs instead of trying for the home run. A sign of a good coordinator IMO isn't how fast you can score it's can you sustain drives and avoid putting your team behind the 8 ball. Too often, especially in our loses, our offense sputters because we fall behind due to going for broke. Which puts our defense right back out there and when the defense is getting worked like it was last year you can't do that
IMO going for the big hitter is a very low percentage play but when dialed up correctly is devastating. So in saying that I hope to see more play calls with the intention of getting 5-10 yards instead of shooting for 50+. Besides we have the speed and talent to make those 5 yards into 50 with a play made by our players.
Total side note I re watched the Kent game and body+ speed wise Jalin Marshall reminds me of Gonzo.
Like it was said I too get the impression that TH freaks out when we get stopped a time or two and it gets amplified if we fall behind in that same stretch. Although it was Kent I liked the game plan we took. Spread the field to create space, run off tackle, Involve the backs/TE on quick routes and attack the middle of the defense where they just shot blitzes.
Like a previous poster said. Sometimes small victories are best (and surely the most demoralizing) when we go 10 plays with 3 first downs instead of trying for the home run. A sign of a good coordinator IMO isn't how fast you can score it's can you sustain drives and avoid putting your team behind the 8 ball. Too often, especially in our loses, our offense sputters because we fall behind due to going for broke. Which puts our defense right back out there and when the defense is getting worked like it was last year you can't do that
IMO going for the big hitter is a very low percentage play but when dialed up correctly is devastating. So in saying that I hope to see more play calls with the intention of getting 5-10 yards instead of shooting for 50+. Besides we have the speed and talent to make those 5 yards into 50 with a play made by our players.
Total side note I re watched the Kent game and body+ speed wise Jalin Marshall reminds me of Gonzo.
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kippy1040
Hall of Fame
Does Ohio State run Scripted plays? It seemed that was their plan for Kent State. But then when scripted plays don't seem to work, then what do they do. . Because of my age, I just seem to think about ball control, keep making 1st downs, run down the clock and keep the defense out on the field. That is what I have been use to for over 50 years. Maybe 3 yards and a cloud of dust, is not part of any game plans anymore.
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Taosman
Your Cousin In New Mexxico
Some times it's easy to over-think these things. VTech played their best game against us. Navy, played their best game against us. See a pattern here?
We're just gonna get everyone's "best shot". Some times it's the other team playing out of their minds that just makes you look worse than you are.
Laying the whole thing at the feet of Herman or any coach is an exaggeration. Some don't like Herman just because of the Menza genius thing. Some are just holding Urban and his coaches to a ridiculous standard of perfection. We've been spoiled by Urban's start at OSU. 24 straight wins and some fantastic coaching seemingly in those 24. Now the reality of all the youth has caught up to our expectations.
We're just gonna get everyone's "best shot". Some times it's the other team playing out of their minds that just makes you look worse than you are.
Laying the whole thing at the feet of Herman or any coach is an exaggeration. Some don't like Herman just because of the Menza genius thing. Some are just holding Urban and his coaches to a ridiculous standard of perfection. We've been spoiled by Urban's start at OSU. 24 straight wins and some fantastic coaching seemingly in those 24. Now the reality of all the youth has caught up to our expectations.
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kippy1040
Hall of Fame
I agree here with you. After we lost to V/T, I was hoping that would give them the incentive to keep on playing with the intensity against East Carolina but they failed and that did not help our strength of schedule at all. We get every teams best shot and we have to be prepared for that. Parity also plays a role in todays football teams. You just cannot take for granted any team coming in to play against you.
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