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Tim Tebow (Blessed)

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BB73;1650824; said:
That's not so cut-and-dried. He was actually referred to as 'Chick' sometimes when he was at tOSU, even though 'Chic' makes more sense since the nickname came from Chicago, where his family lived before his high school days in Columbus.
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Which way did he tell you he preferred for it to be spelled?
 
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ORD_Buckeye;1650559; said:
Are there more suitable subjects in college football for the widespread wrath that focuses on Timmuh? Absolutely. I think he's a decent human being but one with failings both personal and professional.

Tebow is, in my opinion, a rather unique example in that he's become something of a mirror for others to project their own feelings and opinions about certain things: the role of religion in college athletics; when does proselytizing by a public figure cross a line whether of university rules or simple good taste? what is worthy of winning The Draddy? This can't help but amp up the contentiousness in any discussion of Tebow.

I certainly agree that I demonize the kid a little harshly on this basis just as I feel that others rush to put him on a pedestal as being the embodiment of all that is decent, pure and noble in college athletics out of the opposite motivation.

Then there's the inevitable backlash to four years of relentless Tebow hype. Take the Draddy situation. Here is a kid who has NEVER challenged himself intellectually. He took the SAT early got a bare NCAA qualifying score and never took it again. He, despite a socio-economic background that would have allowed him the benefit of a quality, challenging public or private high school education, chose to remain home schooled. He, despite the opportunities available at a major public research university, chose to hide out in a home economics major. Yet, despite all this, we had the CBS announcers ad nauseum cramming his "honors student" status down our throats during broadcasts, and we witnessed him being handed an academic award that in recent years has gone to Molecular Genetics majors and Rhodes Scholars.

With the pro-Tebow drumbeat so out of proportion to reality, it shouldn't be surprising that the anti-Tebow blowback might also lack a little proportion.
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Well sure. But when I see this coming from you, whom I respect for thoughtful comments regarding many academic things, it just seems a little out of place. Yeah, I expect some rancor from the anti-media group, but it's overboard and poorly placed.
 
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ORD_Buckeye;1650559; said:
He, despite a socio-economic background that would have allowed him the benefit of a quality, challenging public or private high school education, chose to remain home schooled.
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And yet, for all of this intellectual failings, never wrote anything as absurd as the above.

His socio-economic background is being the fifth child of a pair of evangelical missionaries who home schooled all of his older siblings. Yes, young Tim could have yelled "I am Spartacus - I will not Home School" at his mom at any point along his educational path, but essentially following the religious beliefs that his parents have instilled in him since his childhood, as expressed in the Home School movement many Evangelical parents follow, is hardly evidence of any moral, character, or intellectual failing to be held against him.

I do not agree with many of his beliefs. But then, I am not likely to follow my parents and my siblings' paths as missionaries or ministers, and it is very likely that Tim will. In fact, it is widely believed that his decision to play pro ball is driven by his wanting to use sports as a platform to reach people about his faith, and to use his wealth and greater notoriety to maximize that effort. That being the case, his major is perfect for his future needs, even though they do not match a path that you think he should have taken.

I think your view of Tim is very much shaped by your own personal and cultural mores, including your view on what is an appropriate education. I have not chosen that path, nor have I chosen it for my own children But I cannot say that for Tim and his family any of their non-traditional decisions were the result of anti-intellectualism, or that Tim should be derided as retarded for essentially following his family's religious teachings, or for choosing a major that is a perfect fit, and one that best assists him in accomplishing his goals.
 
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Gatorubet;1651032; said:
And yet, for all of this intellectual failings, never wrote anything as absurd as the above.

His socio-economic background is being the fifth child of a pair of evangelical missionaries who home schooled all of his older siblings. Yes, young Tim could have yelled "I am Spartacus - I will not Home School" at his mom at any point along his educational path, but essentially following the religious beliefs that his parents have instilled in him since his childhood, as expressed in the Home School movement many Evangelical parents follow, is hardly evidence of any moral, character, or intellectual failing to be held against him.

I do not agree with many of his beliefs. But then, I am not likely to follow my parents and my siblings' paths as missionaries or ministers, and it is very likely that Tim will. In fact, it is widely believed that his decision to play pro ball is driven by his wanting to use sports as a platform to reach people about his faith, and to use his wealth and greater notoriety to maximize that effort. That being the case, his major is perfect for his future needs, even though they do not match a path that you think he should have taken.

I think your view of Tim is very much shaped by your own personal and cultural mores, including your view on what is an appropriate education. I have not chosen that path, nor have I chosen it for my own children But I cannot say that for Tim and his family any of their non-traditional decisions were the result of anti-intellectualism, or that Tim should be derided as retarded for essentially following his family's religious teachings, or for choosing a major that is a perfect fit, and one that best assists him in accomplishing his goals.
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OK, so that one's on the parents. Fair enough. Timmuh, gets a pass on his home schooling and the lack of intellectual challenge that it may have posed vis-a-vis a challenging public or private high school environment.

You, however, do not get a pass for the unforgivable trespass and blasphemy inherent in your repeated refusal to properly capitalize the second person pronoun when referring to our blessed savior (both of the gator football program and of humanity as a whole).

***You do, however, get mad props for the Spartacus reference.
 
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Gatorubet;1651032; said:
His socio-economic background is being the fifth child of a pair of evangelical missionaries who home schooled all of his older siblings. Yes, young Tim could have yelled "I am Spartacus - I will not Home School".
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This makes no sense to me - Spartacus was home-schooled.
 
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I am not sure how you can criticize someone for being home schooled when a parent or guardian feels that is in the best interest of their child. I do not have the same beliefs that Tebow does but I do respect him for trying to use his status in a positive manner.

Why is anyone surprised that the media would drool all over him? Most of what we see now is negative. Tiger, Agent Zero, McGwire....you can't go a day without hearing that someone is cheating, stealing, shooting or taking drugs in sports or life for that matter.

I will say that I hope he can backup what he preaches. As much as the media has hoisted him onto this pedastal, they will love seeing him fall just as quickly. I hope for his sake there aren't any missteps along the way cause the distance between hero and has-been isn't very far.
 
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BuckNut65;1651189; said:
... As much as the media has hoisted him onto this pedastal, they will love seeing him fall just as quickly.
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The current foaming at the mouth over some bad Senior Bowl practices is evidence that operation build Tebow has come to a close, and operation tear down has commenced.

I don't think the guy will even be an adequate pro QB, but the glee coming from ESPN and others, after a couple of rough practices, is ludicrous.
 
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I think he will have the proverbial "cup of coffee" in the NFL and move on with his life. If he doesn't make it as a backup QB...he could always be the team chaplain...btw...the owner of the Jacksonville Jags LOVES him and I wouldn't be surprised if he drafts him. He would sell some tickets and create some local interest in a team that really needs it.
 
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IronBuckI said:
The current foaming at the mouth over some bad Senior Bowl practices is evidence that operation build Tebow has come to a close, and operation tear down has commenced.

I don't think the guy will even be an adequate pro QB, but the glee coming from ESPN and others, after a couple of rough practices, is ludicrous.
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Where do you see ESPN and other media members tearing down Tebow? I see scouts knocking his abilities.....but every story I've seen from the ridiculous media is "Leave poor Tebow alone!" and "Give him credit for actually taking part!"
 
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