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Jaxbuck;1524147; said:
Well if Stewart Mandel says it, it must be true. I take it all back.

Pat White is clearly the greatest QB of all time andI agree that Eric Crouch and 11 others were better than Tommy Frazier.

I also agree that Crouch should be 6 spots higher than Peyton Manning in any list of QB's that is ranking them from best to worst.
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If only he would have included Timmy Chang. Maybe he left him out intentionally so his list didn't look more ridiculous.
 
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Buckeneye;1524153; said:
LOL Colt Brennan

And Dorsey? ....

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Ken Dorsey was a great college QB...

While at the University of Miami, Dorsey was known as a consummate winner, leading the Hurricanes to the 2001 national championship and posting a record of 38-2 as the team's starting quarterback. Dorsey also effectively rewrote the school record book, setting career records for total offense (9,486 yards), passing yards (9,565), passing touchdowns (86), pass completions (668), pass attempts (1,153), victories as a starting quarterback (38), winning percentage by a starting quarterback (.974), 200-yard passing performances (31), consecutive passes without an interception (193), consecutive games with a touchdown pass (31), and touchdown passes in a game (5).
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People forget him because of his awful NFL career, but he's easy top-10 all time IMO.
 
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NFBuck;1524176; said:
Ken Dorsey was a great college QB...



People forget him because of his awful NFL career, but he's easy top-10 all time IMO.
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He isn't in the top 25 in my book, hell anyone could be top 10 if they had an Oline that surrender one sack in two years. I don't think he was that good and we could easily find 50 that were/are/could be perceived as better. I can even think of 10 Buckeye QB's who were better.
 
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Ttown;1524257; said:
He isn't in the top 25 in my book, hell anyone could be top 10 if they had an Oline that surrender one sack in two years. I don't think he was that good and we could easily find 50 that were/are/could be perceived as better.
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But he's the cool dude that drives this bus!

Surely that accounts for something, right?
 
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Ttown;1524257; said:
He isn't in the top 25 in my book, hell anyone could be top 10 if they had an Oline that surrender one sack in two years. I don't think he was that good and we could easily find 50 that were/are/could be perceived as better. I can even think of 10 Buckeye QB's who were better.
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Well, you're certainly entitled to your opinion, but 38-2, a Nat'l Title and those stats say otherwise to me. The OL excuse is bogus, you can't help the talent you're sourrounded with and plenty of other "all time greats" had great talent around them. If he did that as a Buckeye, we'd build him a shrine and call him the best ever. Just sayin'...

...and that last bit is just absurd homerism at its worst.
 
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NFBuck;1524263; said:
Well, you're certainly entitled to your opinion, but 38-2, a Nat'l Title and those stats say otherwise to me. The OL excuse is bogus, you can't help the talent you're sourrounded with and plenty of other "all time greats" had great talent around them. If he did that as a Buckeye, we'd build him a shrine and call him the best ever. Just sayin'...
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Right wrong or indifferent I have always used the NFL career of college QB's who ran a pro style offense to decide if they were a product of the talent around them or were really that good.

That's why I am of the opinion you could put almost anybody on the teams that produced Leinart and Dorsey and get very similar results. If they were actually any good they would be able to do at least something in the NFL.
 
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NFBuck;1524176; said:
Ken Dorsey was a great college QB...

People forget him because of his awful NFL career, but he's easy top-10 all time IMO.
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No. When you have Clinton Portis, Willis Mcgahee, Frank Gore, Andre Johnson, Roscoe Parrish, Kellen Winslow Jr, Vince Wilfork, Ed Reed, Sean Taylor and an offensive line that surrenders a handful of sacks in 34 games - your gonna look pretty damn good whoever you are.

Bottom line, (and no disrespect intended) You might as well consider Todd Beockman an all time top 10 if he had the line and weapons that Dorsey was BLESSED with.

Dorsey didn't regress in the NFL, nor did he just magically "get worse". The kid was just plain out horrible when he wasn't surrounded by all world talent that helped him A) Overpower his competition and B) Make him look like a superstar.

Sorry, its what I've seen and many others. I'll agree, there's about 50 QB's better. They just weren't as lucky to play at "Da U"
 
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Buckeneye;1524271; said:
No. When you have Clinton Portis, Willis Mcgahee, Frank Gore, Andre Johnson, Roscoe Parrish, Kellen Winslow Jr, Vince Wilfork, Ed Reed, Sean Taylor and an offensive line that surrenders a handful of sacks in 34 games - your gonna look pretty damn good whoever you are.

Bottom line, (and no disrespect intended) You might as well consider Todd Beockman an all time top 10 if he had the line and weapons that Dorsey was BLESSED with.

Dorsey didn't regress in the NFL, nor did he just magically "get worse". The kid was just plain out horrible when he wasn't surrounded by all world talent that helped him A) Overpower his competition and B) Make him look like a superstar.

Sorry, its what I've seen and many others. I'll agree, there's about 50 QB's better. They just weren't as lucky to play at "Da U"
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Let's not get crazy..He took an ass reaming in the NC game,and still kept going. Nearly throwing for 300 yards against an absolutely stacked OSU defense. There are a lot of qb's that would have failed miserably in that game. He has a pretty impressive set of accolades. http://hurricanesports.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/dorsey_ken00.html

Your argument could apply to any QB on a solid team over college football history. Of course they wouldn't have appeared to be as "good" without surrounding players. At the same time what if, coulda woulda shoulda really isn't what happened.
 
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powerlifter;1524293; said:
Let's not get crazy..He took an ass reaming in the NC game,and still kept going. Nearly throwing for 300 yards against an absolutely stacked OSU defense. There are a lot of qb's that would have failed miserably in that game. He has a pretty impressive set of accolades. Player Bio: Ken Dorsey - MIAMI OFFICIAL ATHLETIC SITE

Your argument could apply to any QB on a solid team over college football history. Of course they wouldn't have appeared to be as "good" without surrounding players. At the same time what if, coulda woulda shoulda really isn't what happened.
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So if a guy like Dorsey or Leinart is so good why can't they do anything but hold a clipboard in the NFL even when they ran a pro style offense in college?

I can understand an Eric Crouch not being a good NFL QB but a supposed top 5-10 all time college guy who is familiar with a pro style passing game and they can't do anything at the NFL level? It just doesn't add up.
 
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