Tim Beck (HC Coastal Carolina)

[Poe McKnoe]

I just re-punched the wall I had spent the off-season repairing. Thanks.

Since it's gone now, and if you have some extra time, you should go back and map "Braxton Miller non-Wildcat rushing plays". And count those on a hand or two.

 

[Buckeye86]

again, was Beck calling the plays? Because I think he was third behind urban and Ed... yet he is being used as the fall guy.

The move meant Ed stopped trying to also coach the OL and now there is someone to handle that job he stopped doing against Michigan.

Yes. Urban spoke at the beginning of the year about improving the process by which they called plays on offense.

To me, this clearly meant play calling responsibilities were being shifted to Beck due to the problems with Warriner handling things from the sidelines- primarily with getting plays in on time, not necessarily the quality of the calls, Va Tech being the example of the offense performing adequately.

They shifted more and more to Beck culminating in the MSU debacle.

If Beck wasn't in charge, why was there such a night and day shift between when Warriner was in the booth for the final two games- or even Va Tech versus the middle of the season?

And I'm not talking about output, but just in the overall cohesion of the plays, i.e. not the Bollman/Beck "let's just pull a play out of a hat" style.

 

[jwinslow]

Yes. Urban spoke at the beginning of the year about improving the process by which they called plays on offense.

To me, this clearly meant play calling responsibilities were being shifted to Beck due to the problems with Warriner handling things from the sidelines- primarily with getting plays in on time, not necessarily the quality of the calls, Va Tech being the example of the offense performing adequately.

They shifted more and more to Beck culminating in the MSU debacle.

If Beck wasn't in charge, why was there such a night and day shift between when Warriner was in the booth for the final two games- or even Va Tech versus the middle of the season?

And I'm not talking about output, but just in the overall cohesion of the plays, i.e. not the Bollman/Beck "let's just pull a play out of a hat" style.

So just so to make sure I'm following

Ed was the playcaller but also insisted on being on the field to coach the OL
The playcalling was poor and very inefficient
Ed was underachieving as the oc because of the side coaching of the OL so Beck chipped on
Eventually they made ed to stop his side job and focus on playcalling
Suddenly the offense does much better
In the offseason Ed is formally removed from OL coaching, freeing him up to focus on playcalling, since te coaching isn't very game intensive
Tim keeps the exact same role he had before, the offensive coordinator below ed and urban who also coaches the qbs.


And your takeaway from all of this is that Beck was the oc that wasn't doing his job?

It sure sounds like it's Ed's job as the primary assistant to Urban and his offense. When he finally focused on that, it got much better than when the hodge podge of 2015 extended to the cook quantity in the offensive kitchen. I still think the competition helped a lot against Michigan, whereas there was a very different kind of playcalling and efficiency against nd.

 

[Buckeye86]

Yes. If Beck wasn't incompetent in the booth calling plays down to the field they wouldn't have taken Warriner off the sidelines.

Like I said, it's frustrating/baffling Meyer didn't step in to rectify the situation much sooner.

So in that sense, it does fall on Meyer and Warriner, who I assume went to bat for his old friend Beck throughout the season.

That doesn't change Beck's utter incompetence at what he was asked to do- call plays down to the field from the booth.

 

[buckeyesin07]

I still think the competition helped a lot against Michigan,

When you say this, you do realize that Michigan (who OSU ran over at will) was top 5 in total defense, and yet OSU struggled against the doormat defenses (Hawaii, WMU, and NIU) referenced in my post above?

 

[jwinslow]

Yes. If Beck wasn't incompetent in the booth calling plays down to the field they wouldn't have taken Warriner off the sidelines.

Like I said, it's frustrating/baffling Meyer didn't step in to rectify the situation much sooner.

So in that sense, it does fall on Meyer and Warriner, who I assume went to bat for his old friend Beck throughout the season.

That doesn't change Beck's utter incompetence at what he was asked to do- call plays down to the field from the booth.

It seems to me that a lot of moves were made to do what Ed wanted, let him keep coaching the OL, give him the playcalling duties, bring in a guy who had worked with him before... and in the end it was a disaster.

Blaming the guy who was part of that appeasement seems quite misguided, unless the goal is to target a fall guy who we aren't attached to and insulates urban and Ed from being blamed for the failures.

If Beck truly was the top playcaller behind urban, which I doubt, that didn't happen because ed was doing a good job. It happened because he couldn't handle doing both.

 

[jwinslow]

When you say this, you do realize that Michigan (who OSU ran over at will) was top 5 in total defense, and yet OSU struggled against the doormat defenses (Hawaii, WMU, and NIU) referenced in my post above?

I'm well aware of how highly b1g defenses get ranked. I'm also aware of how badly they missed Glasgow inside, which is why Indiana ran at will on them,seventeen times in a row. I talked about that glaring weakness regularly on their board before the game. So did they as I linked earlier.

Obviously there was noticeable improvement. Everyone did their jobs better including ed. My point was that It helps when the exact same playcalling with very poor run / pass balance suddenly start gashing them like it's 2014.

 

[buckeyesin07]

I'm well aware of how highly b1g defenses get ranked.

You are? Then please explain to me the rankings of Indiana, Purdue, and Rutgers.

I'm also aware of how badly they missed Glasgow inside, which is why Indiana ran at will on them,seventeen times in a row. I talked about that glaring weakness regularly on their board before the game.

Glasgow, while good, shouldn't make Michigan's defense inferior to Hawaii's, NIU's, and WMU's.[/quote][/QUOTE]

 

[jwinslow]

You are? Then please explain to me the rankings of Indiana, Purdue, and Rutgers.

who were the good offenses that Michigan faced last year? They were like many Iowa defenses recently. Ok and inflated by playing trash offenses for most of the year.

Glasgow, while good, shouldn't make Michigan's defense inferior to Hawaii's, NIU's, and WMU's.

When your DT depth chart is razor thin (thanks to Mone being injured before the season), it's a pretty huge problem when your terrible linebackers are suddenly under even more pressure with a scrub in front of them.

Did you watch the Indiana Michigan game? Because it looked exactly like what I'd expect if Hawaii tried to defend them.

Does it explain away the severity of their struggles earlier or the dichotomy between the two ? Obviously not, but I sure am glad they weren't playing a sound defensive front during their attempt to rebound.

 

[jwinslow]

Again read what they said about themselves after Indiana before osu

http://www.maizenbrew.com/2015/11/17/9748898/michigan-defense-indiana-tempo

41 points. 522 yards. 307 yards rushing. 32 first downs. 89 plays.

That was not something anyone expected fromthis defense. Michigan went to Bloomington and gave up more yards on the ground and total than it had all season, and more points than it allowed in the first six games combined. By the end of the game Indiana gave up all pretense of passing and fed Jordan Howard over and over; from the start of Indiana's go-ahead drive in the fourth quarter until the last play of the second overtime Indiana did not pass the ball once. Howard finished the game with 238 yards.

17 rushes in a row with great success. They lost because they went Pete Carroll on the goalline.

It was a colossal beat down on the ground, and Michigan's once fearsome defensive line was ripped apart and its linebackers run past. Indiana doubled up the best rushing total allowed by Michigan's defense so far this year.

So what went wrong?

Pretty simply, Michigan got tired. But there is a little more to it than that, so let's dive in.

The Ryan Glasgow injury was troubling before this game, but now it seems to be a five alarm fire. He has been the point man for Michigan's crushing rush defense, and his presence was missed. One of the biggest advantages Michigan has had on defense this year is its ability to outwork opponents. That starts up front with a defensive line that ran a legitimate two deep at all three interior spots. Michigan's depth up front allowed the Wolverines to run out different packages, rotate players consistently to keep them fresh, which allowed everyone to thrive. This wasn't a Mike Martin/Ryan Van Bergen ironman competition like the 2011 season, but what would happen if you cloned those guys twice over and then rotated all six of those clones through. If you haven't guessed, this isn't a luxury that most teams are afforded.

Glasgow's presence on the field cut Maurice Hurst's time in half, but effectively doubled his effectiveness by allowing him to focus more energy on fewer plays. With Glasgow on the shelf, Hurst had to shoulder a larger share of the defensive load. The defensive coaches did throw Tom Strobel into the rotation at nose tackle, but Strobel is a positional vagabond and a massive step down from Glasgow.

The line is also down two other rotation players in Bryan Mone (lost before the season) and Mario Ojemudia (season ending Achilles injury), and suddenly what was the strength of the team looks to be fraying at the edges under the heavier workload. Matt Godin has also been banged up, and with Glasgow out both Willie Henry and Chris Wormley have had to play more.


This was all exacerbated by Indiana's tempo offense which eschews huddles and effectively locks opposing lineups on the field for multiple plays at a time before substitutions can happen. It is one thing to play Tom Strobel a handful of times to give Hurst a blow. It is another thing entirely when the opposing offense can dictate when you can sub him off the field thanks to its offensive philosophy.

whatever they were before, they were a broken sieve after they lost Glasgow.

 

[BuckeyeSoldier]

early on the offense struggled and it seemed that calling plays from the sideline wasnt working for warriner. so they handed the gameday play calling duties to beck in the booth. the offense regressed culminating in the MSU debacle. at which point warriner was sent to the booth and took back play calling duties. shockingly the offense INSTANTLY improved. If it was JUST scUM then id agree maybe it was just them, but we also destroyed a BCS bowl team with that same arrangement. If that wasnt enough evidence to convince you that Beck is the primary problem. then lets just look at his past. namely Nebraska... whose fans were surprised to put it mildly that we wanted him. and the apparent regression of our heisman caliber qbs from just a season ago.

 

[sparcboxbuck]

early on the offense struggled and it seemed that calling plays from the sideline wasnt working for warriner. so they handed the gameday play calling duties to beck in the booth. the offense regressed culminating in the MSU debacle. at which point warriner was sent to the booth and took back play calling duties. shockingly the offense INSTANTLY improved. If it was JUST scUM then id agree maybe it was just them, but we also destroyed a BCS bowl team with that same arrangement. If that wasnt enough evidence to convince you that Beck is the primary problem. then lets just look at his past. namely Nebraska... whose fans were surprised to put it mildly that we wanted him. and the apparent regression of our heisman caliber qbs from just a season ago.

Frankly, it's impossible to say what really was going on other than the offense being offensive (relative to expectations) for a majority of the year. I don't think that a depleted tsun or a depleted domer team is a great barometer for the changes that were made.

 

[matcar]

Frankly, it's impossible to say what really was going on other than the offense being offensive (relative to expectations) for a majority of the year. I don't think that a depleted tsun or a depleted domer team is a great barometer for the changes that were made.

No but having a nice easy scapegoat makes people feel better about the season with the mindset that Beck ruined our National Championship aspirations and that we'd have otherwise won. There was so much going on with average line play, QB controversy, player motivation, and Meyer stating we aren't a read option team, and ten going back to it. Those types of issues make for the kind of chemistry we saw last season. Beck could have been part of the problem, but he wasn't the main problem.

 

[cincibuck]

All teams are "depleted" by the time bowl games roll around. Michigan and Notre Dame had more than "average" talent on the field throughout the season.

The Buckeyes played without Noah Brown all season - a loss that might have been the reason they could never throw deep successfully - add Corey Smith, Cam Burrows, and Nick Connor. Washington sat out the bowl game, Bosa played less than two or three series and wasn't Vannet out for portions of the season?

 

[dozenmonkeyz]

There is no evidence, I've seen, that Beck did an acceptable job. That doesn't mean all the offensive issues were his fault but it seems entirely fair for folks to be VERY critical of him. If our blocking was so poor, why didn't he call plays to take pressure off the blockers? Quick slants, receiver screens, TE screens; those plays, even when unsuccessful, help alleviate pressure on the qb and we begged for more of them all season. Of course Meyer and Warriner share some of that blame and, in fact, bear ultimate responsibility for the overall situation. They expected Beck to do his job well and he didn't. Pretty simple. Calling for his job may be a bit overboard; but, being disappointed in his performance and lamenting the lack of NC last season should be expected here.