Tiger Woods (Offical Thread)

[BuckeyeNation27]

he's a fan of Tiger too......who would've guessed.

 

[Bleed S & G]

There have been very few individuals who have been under such public scrutiny and dealt with a personal failure as well as Tiger has. It makes me wonder if we don't deal with his nearing of perfection on the golf course as an analogy for his life. It seems to be quite unfair for anyone to condemn him in any way at this point.

The man is the best active golfer in the world and with the exception of the Golden Bear, the best golfer in the history of the sport. Let's focus on that aspect of his persona shall we?

 

[TheRob8801]

Care to elaborate?

 

[Bleed S & G]

No, not really.

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

No, not really.

 

[TheRob8801]

Right.

Well, it's understandable that people like to take shots at those that have fallen from glory the way Tiger has. But whether that glory was perceived as justified or not, for somebody to make mistakes in their life on such a public stage and attempt to make things right in whatever way they choose to do so, takes quite a bit of respect.

Now, does that mean Tiger's selfish actions deserve any respect? Of course not...but for any of us to belittle the man for any reason outside of golf is simply childish and unnecessary. Any criticism toward the MAN Tiger woods is empty in regards to how it affects anyone. It isn't his "fault" that he had become a role-model to some but he chose to acknowledge that fact once he got caught and do what he could to apologize for it...as a person, that deserves some semblance of respect. He had an understood responsibility that he failed to make the most of...but you know whose fault that is? Those that put him up on that pedestal.

I enjoy watching Tiger play just because he's Tiger and I'm forced to watch all my Master's coverage on the Golf channel because I'm sick of hearing anything about him that doesn't have anything to do with Golf. I frankly just do NOT understand why the personal life of somebody in the entertainment business is so pressing and important to anyone.

If the consequences of somebody's actions do NOT affect the type of entertainment they provide, who gives a crap? ...and who's to judge someone for it?

 

[Bleed S & G]

Right.

Well, it's understandable that people like to take shots at those that have fallen from glory the way Tiger has.

Oh no, here we go again with you and your Duke argument.

But whether that glory was perceived as justified or not, for somebody to make mistakes in their life on such a public stage and attempt to make things right in whatever way they choose to do so, takes quite a bit of respect.

How does that take respect? What you think "respect" means and what it actually means are two diffrent things. Looking past your retardness - I don't have to give anyone respect for them "attempting to make things right in whatever way they choose to do so" - I mean seriously?

Tiger dosen't owe me shit, and I don't owe him shit. Frankly, I thought the way this was handled was very smart from Tiger's end - a BIG diffrence from how the average athelete would handle this situation.

He ran off to sex rehab (), wouldn't answer any questions, broke the news with a post on his website, etc, etc.

He is a great golfer, but the dude is an asshole. That is why I don't like and/or respect him.

but for any of us to belittle the man for any reason outside of golf is simply childish and unnecessary..... If the consequences of somebody's actions do NOT affect the type of entertainment they provide, who gives a crap? ...and who's to judge someone for it?

I disagree. There are a lot of dipshits who do things outside of their sport that impacts their legacy.. to think otherwise is naive - here's a quick 3:

• Mike Tyson
• Maurice Clarett
• Mike Vick

While all great atheltes, none will ever be an "icon." None will ever be an ambassador of the game.

 

[TheRob8801]

Oh no, here we go again with you and your Duke argument.

I don't know what you're trying to insinuate here, but whatever it is, I assure you you're wrong.

How does that take respect?

From a strictly human perspective, to witness someone make a personal mistake on such a huge stage and come at it in what we as outsiders can only view as honesty takes some guts. Sure some of it has to do with saving face for the sake of his "brand"...but why are we to assume that he is not honestly making an effort to better himself as a human being? Call me an optimist but I don't know anything about the man, so I'm going to take what the media gives me and filter it the best that I can, and I don't see any reason at this point not to believe what he has to say.

What you think "respect" means and what it actually means are two diffrent things.

What is it then that I am lacking in my definition of respect? I, personally, give reverence to anyone who has the balls to deal with ANY situation with sincerity. Tiger has seemingly done so, therefore he has earned my respect.

Now you're right, I can't suggest that everyone is to respect the same things I do. I respect Tiger's game (on the golf course that is) because I sure can't do what he does...and I respect his actions in dealing with his transgressions.

I don't have to give anyone respect for them "attempting to make things right in whatever way they choose to do so" - I mean seriously?

What is your point here? I'm retarded for respecting the way Tiger's handling things? You're right, you don't have to give anyone respect for anything...you don't even have to consider the humanity of those you choose not to respect.

Looking past your retardness

Case in point.

Tiger dosen't owe me [censored], and I don't owe him [censored]. Frankly, I thought the way this was handled was very smart from Tiger's end - a BIG diffrence from how the average athelete would handle this situation.

Apparently your opinion is that Tiger's actions were solely about saving face, my opinion is that they weren't.

He ran off to sex rehab (), wouldn't answer any questions, broke the news with a post on his website, etc, etc.

I personally don't see anything wrong with any of this. He didn't owe the public an RSS feed on his daily activities. He was going through a crisis with himself and the people in his family. To do anything that would make that sort of thing any more of a public spectacle than it already was would be very irresponsible on his part, and very unfair to the wife and kids he had so unjustly hurt.

He is a great golfer, but the dude is an asshole. That is why I don't like and/or respect him.

Eloquently put.

Tiger's personality doesn't detract in any way from my enjoyment of his game. He may in fact be the prick that you suggest, but I don't know the guy, I can't make that call.

I disagree. There are a lot of dip[censored]s who do things outside of their sport that impacts their legacy.. to think otherwise is naive - here's a quick 3:

• Mike Tyson
• Maurice Clarett
• Mike Vick

While all great atheltes, none will ever be an "icon." None will ever be an ambassador of the game.

I never suggested that this wouldn't impact Tiger's legacy. It will of course be a major point in his career as well as a major point in his life, but I would not be more or less excited to see him play a tournament of golf based upon what he does off the course.

I don't think Tiger would be an "ambassador of the game", as you put it, even without this whole scandal. His attitude on the field of play is not the kind of attitude that represents the game's majesty and prestige...but then again neither is Kobe's, neither is Manny's, neither is Ochocinco's. Does that make me any less excited to watch them play? No way.

 

[Bleed S & G]

but then again neither is Kobe's, neither is Manny's, neither is Ochocinco's. Does that make me any less excited to watch them play? No way.

3 GREAT examples. Let's just end the discussion here where we can all agree. Tiger belongs in this group: Kobe, Manny, and Ochocinco.

NOT in this group: Arnold Palmer, Peyton Manning, and Larry Bird.

 

[matcar]

I don't know what you're trying to insinuate here, but whatever it is, I assure you you're wrong.



From a strictly human perspective, to witness someone make a personal mistake on such a huge stage and come at it in what we as outsiders can only view as honesty takes some guts. Sure some of it has to do with saving face for the sake of his "brand"...but why are we to assume that he is not honestly making an effort to better himself as a human being? Call me an optimist but I don't know anything about the man, so I'm going to take what the media gives me and filter it the best that I can, and I don't see any reason at this point not to believe what he has to say.


What is it then that I am lacking in my definition of respect? I, personally, give reverence to anyone who has the balls to deal with ANY situation with sincerity. Tiger has seemingly done so, therefore he has earned my respect.

Now you're right, I can't suggest that everyone is to respect the same things I do. I respect Tiger's game (on the golf course that is) because I sure can't do what he does...and I respect his actions in dealing with his transgressions.



What is your point here? I'm retarded for respecting the way Tiger's handling things? You're right, you don't have to give anyone respect for anything...you don't even have to consider the humanity of those you choose not to respect.



Case in point.



Apparently your opinion is that Tiger's actions were solely about saving face, my opinion is that they weren't.



I personally don't see anything wrong with any of this. He didn't owe the public an RSS feed on his daily activities. He was going through a crisis with himself and the people in his family. To do anything that would make that sort of thing a public spectacle would be very irresponsible on his part, and very unfair to the wife and kids he had so unjustly hurt.



Eloquently put.

Tiger's personality doesn't detract in any way from my enjoyment of his game. He may in fact be the prick that you suggest, but I don't know the guy, I can't make that call.




I never suggested that this wouldn't impact Tiger's legacy. It will of course be a major point in his career as well as a major point in his life, but I would not be more or less excited to see him play a tournament of golf based upon what he does off the course.

I don't think Tiger would be an "ambassador of the game", as you put it, even without this whole scandal. His attitude on the field of play is not the kind of attitude that represents the game's majesty and prestige...but then again neither is Kobe's, neither is Manny's, neither is Ochocinco's. Does that make me any less excited to watch them play? No way.

You must be dreaming if you think Tiger is dealing with this with sincerity. He's been anything but sincere. Everything has been staged and handled...just like everything else in his life.

Yeah, I get that it's a private matter that for most of us would remain private. I also get that his golf game is admirable, but most things away from golf are far from it. Tiger is due no respect from anyone for anything but his golf game. I suspect if he had a moment of true honesty and humility, he would agree.

Having said that, I'll certainly agree that I don't really care to hear anymore about his personal life. But then again, I don't want to hear about any athlete's personal life...even one as amusingly FAIL as Tiger's. But if others want to continue to watch the train wreck that is Tiger's personal life...well, OK.

Personally, I'd love to see Tiger erase the field in the Masters just to show what a bunch of hacks he's playing against and to get one final laugh out of how absurd this whole scenario is.

 

[BB73]

What's the point of that bootleg?

Besides obsessively propagating this media nonsense...

...in about ten minutes here Tiger will be back on the links, playing in the most prestigious of all golfing events and will be focusing entirely on his game. It's partly the fault of the idiots that provide hits to the TMZ like masses that things like this carry as far as they do.

There have been very few individuals who have been under such public scrutiny and dealt with a personal failure as well as Tiger has. It makes me wonder if we don't deal with his nearing of perfection on the golf course as an analogy for his life. It seems to be quite unfair for anyone to condemn him in any way at this point.

The man is the best active golfer in the world and with the exception of the Golden Bear, the best golfer in the history of the sport. Let's focus on that aspect of his persona shall we?

It seemed like most of us had moved on. I posted a brief summary of hnis press conference on Monday, and nobody responded with any type of comment.

His new Nike commercial with his father's voiceover is an obvious attempt by Nike (who has tens of millions at stake each year in Tiger) to help repair his image. The bootleg is a mockery of that effort by Nike, and I thought it was funny.

If you want to have the focus on Tiger's golf, just quit posting in this thread. You dug up a pile of crap.

 

[jwinslow]

From a strictly human perspective, to witness someone make a personal mistake on such a huge stage and come at it in what we as outsiders can only view as honesty takes some guts. Sure some of it has to do with saving face for the sake of his "brand"...but why are we to assume that he is not honestly making an effort to better himself as a human being? Call me an optimist but I don't know anything about the man, so I'm going to take what the media gives me and filter it the best that I can, and I don't see any reason at this point not to believe what he has to say.

You mean besides the grumpy, forced tone throughout the "apology" presser? That was scripted and unsincere.

edit: I echo bb73's comments. Let's let the ugliness pass for now.

 

[TheRob8801]

You must be dreaming if you think Tiger is dealing with this with sincerity. He's been anything but sincere. Everything has been staged and handled...just like everything else in his life.

I don't quite understand what you expect. Because of his celebrity, matters that would've been discreet and private in any other circumstance are understandably public and rehearsed.

What about this makes you so sure of his insincerity?

Yeah, I get that it's a private matter that for most of us would remain private. I also get that his golf game is admirable, but most things away from golf are far from it. Tiger is due no respect from anyone for anything but his golf game. I suspect if he had a moment of true honesty and humility, he would agree.

I don't buy into the fact that Tiger is now a complete soulless detriment to humanity as one would suggest. Whatever respect he is due as a human being is subjective, but still there. To say that he is not cable of being respected in ANY way because of his actions is asinine.

Having said that, I'll certainly agree that I don't really care to hear anymore about his personal life. But then again, I don't want to hear about any athlete's personal life...even one as amusingly FAIL as Tiger's. But if others want to continue to watch the train wreck that is Tiger's personal life...well, OK.

This is where I guess I have the largest issue. I honestly do not find the pain and disaster that goes along with this whole scenario amusing in any way. It seems disgustingly sick to me for anyone to take any sort of joy in the "entertainment value" of ANY man's personal troubles and especially the pain of those involved.

Maybe I'm alone in this cynical world, but I believe that everyone makes mistakes, but everyone deserves to be treated like a person, and everyone deserves to be loved.

Personally, I'd love to see Tiger erase the field in the Masters just to show what a bunch of hacks he's playing against and to get one final laugh out of how absurd this whole scenario is.

Ditto.

3 GREAT examples. Let's just end the discussion here where we can all agree. Tiger belongs in this group: Kobe, Manny, and Ochocinco.

NOT in this group: Arnold Palmer, Peyton Manning, and Larry Bird.

Done.

There's a large glaring line between athletes that are great because of their success in their respective sports...and athletes that are great because of their success in their life as a whole.

Anyone would be "retarded" to think otherwise, right? :tongue2:

 

[TheRob8801]

If you want to have the focus on Tiger's golf, just quit posting in this thread. You dug up a pile of crap.

I was simply posting my opinion about the man and the situation...

...I don't see anything wrong with the discussion.

 

[Buckeye86]

putting people on ignore doesn't work when everyone keeps quoting :hatepc: