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Great question, BuckBackHome. Daughter had an internship (set up by university) to Australia for a six week period. We essentially paid for her airfare, room & board, plus a stipend to the university - guess for ostensibly setting it up. Money maker or expense reducer for the university, dunno. Doubt if she would have found on her own, but has provided a stepping stone for her on her career path (door opener). On the vanishing college thing, can see more/most of liberal arts schools going digital - book/paper seminar classes, but the hands-on lab classes sticking around. Cannot envision how to dissect a frog/human being done without a lab setting. Also more 'trade schools' springing up, which are mainly hands-on experiences. And this is before AI comes into play. Believe we're on the bleeding edge of a new era. How/which direction humanity heads in will be interesting to watch. Actually glad I'm out of it, and being an arm-chair viewer.
 
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As an tOSU grad with a Masters in Business, back in 1976, used to look yearly at the grad school rankings. Waaaay back then, tOSU had some pretty stout profs on staff, and were in top 25 (well 23-26). Then got the new business school (left Hagerty High), and went up a few points. Now it appears that tOSU business school has gone down. My question is thusly: Is it the quality of the teachers that keeps a schools higher, or the students? Most of the profs taught both grad and undergrad (took RE in both from Ron Racster), so it must be the quality of students? Wasn't an OSU undergrad, but would assume that tOSU recruits the best and brightest to continue to get their MBAs....Now that the shineness of a brand new grad school has worn off. Or the levels in industry etc that the graduates attain. I certainly didn't help the rankings much, leaving private sector for public sector. Anyway, just an idle musing on a slow morning. PS, am a Life Member of alumni association.
 
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calibuck said:
As an tOSU grad with a Masters in Business, back in 1976, used to look yearly at the grad school rankings. Waaaay back then, tOSU had some pretty stout profs on staff, and were in top 25 (well 23-26). Then got the new business school (left Hagerty High), and went up a few points. Now it appears that tOSU business school has gone down. My question is thusly: Is it the quality of the teachers that keeps a schools higher, or the students? Most of the profs taught both grad and undergrad (took RE in both from Ron Racster), so it must be the quality of students? Wasn't an OSU undergrad, but would assume that tOSU recruits the best and brightest to continue to get their MBAs....Now that the shineness of a brand new grad school has worn off. Or the levels in industry etc that the graduates attain. I certainly didn't help the rankings much, leaving private sector for public sector. Anyway, just an idle musing on a slow morning. PS, am a Life Member of alumni association.
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I mean, Bobby Carpenter teaches one of the classes.
 
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Thump said:
I mean, Bobby Carpenter teaches one of the classes.
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He is a lecturer in the Fisher CoB, co-teaching a lower level course. For clarity, he has some good experience in the consulting domain and in media and is not appointed at a higher entry-level (i.e., assistant professor). Most leading international business schools bring in industry co-teaching in this manner. So, I think it is a good idea.
 
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Am an advocate for 'life lessons'. Some profs go from undergrad to grad, to teaching. Had a prof (tOSU MBA circa 1975-6), that told us 'this is the way it's done'. When he was asked to recount his actual work experience, all he could come up with was that he consulted for Swift Meats. He was then asked, 'no, where did you punch a time clock, have regular duties, have to get along, get reviewed etc.' and he admitted he'd never done that. PS, he didn't make tenure, and was gone next year. Anyway, 'adjunct professors' don't have teaching credentials, but do teach specific experience courses. The knowledge they impart is usually very current, and certainly relevant to what they teach. Heck, UFM was teaching ethics at Fisher, was he not?
 
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Steve19 said:
He is a lecturer in the Fisher CoB, co-teaching a lower level course. For clarity, he has some good experience in the consulting domain and in media and is not appointed at a higher entry-level (i.e., assistant professor). Most leading international business schools bring in industry co-teaching in this manner. So, I think it is a good idea.
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Any idea what's behind the drastic turnaround at Fisher? Both undergrad and MBA rankings have risen steeply after underperforming for several years.
 
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I have to admit that I was skeptical with a 9500 student freshman class, but they did it without dropping quality. I still think in terms of faculty-student ratios, class sizes and dorm overcrowding, it's still too big and the acceptance rate should come down.

ADMISSION DATA
Total NFYS applicants 79,266
Number admitted 44,078
Number enrolled 9,530

ACADEMIC QUALIFICATIONS
% in top 10% of high school class 64%%
in top 25% of high school class 96%
ACT Composite (middle 50%) 28-32
SAT Combined (middle 50%) 1330-1450

 
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I have to admit that I was skeptical with a 9500 student freshman class, but they did it without dropping quality. I still think in terms of faculty-student ratios, class sizes and dorm overcrowding, it's still too big and the acceptance rate should come down.

ADMISSION DATA
Total NFYS applicants 79,266
Number admitted 44,078
Number enrolled 9,530

ACADEMIC QUALIFICATIONS
% in top 10% of high school class 64%%
in top 25% of high school class 96%
ACT Composite (middle 50%) 28-32
SAT Combined (middle 50%) 1330-1450

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The services overcrowding thing is real, I mean obviously the news has been covering the dorm scarcity issue but that trickles down to food service, workout facilities, and other student activities getting stretched a little bit as well. Class availability is an issue as well because there's certain things they don't mess with the ratios, and math classes are tough to come by, and for kids that have to take them in series that's a problem.

My guess is, and I apologize for beating this drum they would have a smaller class with the same acceptance rate next year just because, one, the aid picture would be clearer and two, the other schools are going to have to compete harder and will have better data to do so. THAT SAID, if they wanted to tighten things up and missed a little lower on numbers, given what you've shown us here it's not like they admitted a bunch of edge case kids that are going to wash out at a higher rate.

If we have any prospective parents out there for new students for next year, my advice is, once accepted, commit and schedule orientation ASAP.
 
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Yeah, it's clear that we haven't started accepting a bunch of kids who would have ended up at OU or Juggalo State in recent years. It's being driven by the huge increase in applications (half of which come from out of state now).
 
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Fwiw I don't know if they have any other choice but to dial the numbers back some, lets say I am totally wrong about the drivers (and that's a very real thing that happens). and they leave the acceptance rate unchanged and then they have even more enrollees out of that group, well I guess I better get in the slum lord business
 
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AKAK said:
Fwiw I don't know if they have any other choice but to dial the numbers back some, lets say I am totally wrong about the drivers (and that's a very real thing that happens). and they leave the acceptance rate unchanged and then they have even more enrollees out of that group, well I guess I better get in the slum lord business
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It's a few things. Money: all the kids who we need to start rejecting aren't taking up any merit aid. They're cash cows. Politics: How selective can we get before there's some political blowback? I think the politics issue can be headed off by saying we're freeing up a lot of talented Ohio kids for the other schools to recruit. There's also the issue of socio-economic diversity. As selective as we are, the class still has 18% first generation college students and 20% Pell Grant recipients, and I don't think that should change. I don't want to see Ohio State have similar demographics to Fredo.

Ultimately, I think the acceptance rate should be down in the low 40s, and the class sizes around 7500, but it's a complex issue. That would probably boost our average ACT to around 32 from 30 and the percent of kids in the top tenth of their high school classes to around 80%. That would be pretty damned equal to tsun and UCLA.
 
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ORD_Buckeye said:
It's a few things. Money: all the kids who we need to start rejecting aren't taking up any merit aid. They're cash cows. Politics: How selective can we get before there's some political blowback? I think the politics issue can be headed off by saying we're freeing up a lot of talented Ohio kids for the other schools to recruit.

Ultimately, I think the acceptance rate should be down in the low 40s, and the class sizes around 7500, but it's a complex issue. That would probably boost our average ACT to around 32 from 30 and the percent of kids in the top tenth of their high school classes to around 80%. That would be pretty damned equal to tsun and UCLA.
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Hey buddy, my kid is in. Make it as selective as possible now!
 
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