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The Smurficial Boise State Broncos Thread

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cincibuck;1991012; said:
Wow, did I say BSU would enter the Big 10 and kick ass year in and year out?
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You said they would play 'a Big Ten schedule' and not lose more than 1 or 2 games. You said nothing about this year only.

The conversation regarding BSU usually revolved around how awesome their record year after year with the counter being that the numbers are so gaudy because they're running through tissue paper. Then there's the cherry picking of select games over a number of years to 'prove' their ability...while of course ignoring the fact that teams in decent conferences tend to have to play teams similar to the cherry picked ones in bunches every single year rather than one at the occasional beginning or end of a season.

I think you're ignoring how 'down' the Big 10 is this year.
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Lacking prescience, I think I'll wait until longer in the season than Wk 2 to decide on the actual quality of the conference.

How much tougher would it be if BSU had to play Georgia and then play Indiana, Northwestern, Purdue...
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Ahh I see so BSU's mythical Big Ten schedule would only consist of the weaker teams in the conference. Got it.

something on the order of magnitude of say, Akron, Toledo, U Miami, Colorado... ?
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It may surprise you to learn that none of those teams are in the Big Ten.

Ohio State's conference *schedule looks more like MSU (#21), Nebraska (#16), Illinois (#30) & Wisconsin (#9). Now granted that isn't anything like the gauntlet of Fresno St (#83), Colorado St (#96), Air Force (#57) & UNLV (#115) but what are you going to do?

If they get their hat handed to them by Toledo this weekend, I'll gladly amend my statements, but if they blow the rockets out of the stadium I'll stick by my words.
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Oregon beat USC & Purdue,Ohio State lost to USC & Purdue, therefore Oregon beats Ohio State.

Thanks Mark May.

Of course we'll just pretend like the Ohio State game wasn't the one that most Toledo players had circled in their minds and they'll be just as up for BSU. It's all about a single game rather than a full body of work.

Oh, and as for BSU having 5 weeks to get ready for a big game.... seems to me that Oregon, Oklahoma and Georgia has time to get ready for the game too. The saw cuts in both directions.
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Luckily Oregon & Georgia have cupcakes conferences schedules so they don't have to spend time prepping for pushovers like USC or Florida. No doubt all of their planning time was spent focusing on BSU.

And as always we come back to a game five years ago against an Oklahoma team that faced a single team that finished ranked in the top 25 (Texas) & lost by 18 points....on the other hand they did almost beat an Oregon squad that finished 7-6.

*The #'s are from Massey's consensus rankings since the polls only go to 25. Of course if we were using the AP poll Ohio State's schedule would include #7, #11 & #15 while BSU's has no one in the top 25.
 
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I wanted to put into perspective just what the BSU schedule really looks like year in and year out.

The number in parenthesis is the schools final average ranking (using Massey).

2006
Sacramento St IAA
Oregon St 10-4 (20)
Wyoming 6-6 (65)
Hawaii 11-3 (27)
Utah 8-5 (48)
Louisiana Tech 3-10 (112)
New Mexico St 4-8 (105)
Idaho 4-8 (106)
Fresno St 4-8 (86)
San Jose St 9-4 (57)
Utah St 1-11 (117)
Nevada 8-5 (53)
Oklahoma 11-3 (14)

2x Top 25 wins (Oregon St & Oklahoma)
No other teams in Top 50

2007
Weber St IAA
Washington 4-9 (67) L
Wyoming 5-7 (80)
Southern Miss 7-6 (74)
Nex Mexico St 4-9 (112)
Nevada 6-7 (82)
Louisiana Tech 5-7 (93)
Fresno St 9-4 (50)
San Jose St 5-7 (92)
Utah St 2-10 (114)
Idaho 1-11 (120 out of 120)
Hawaii 12-1 (24) L
East Carolina 8-5 (57) L

1x Top 25 loss
1x Top 50 (Fresno St)
2x losses to #67 & #57

2008
Idaho St (IAA)
Bowling Green 6-6 (77)
Oregon 10-3 (12)
Louisiana Tech 8-5 (71)
Southern Miss 7-6 (63)
Hawaii 7-7 (75)
San Jose St 6-6 (86)
New Mexico St 3-9 (112)
Utah St 3-9 (100)
Idaho 2-10 (118)
Nevada 7-6 (58)
Fresno St 7-5 (74)
TCU 11-2 (8) L

1x Top 25 win (Oregon), 1x Top 25 Loss (TCU)
No other teams in the Top 50

2009
Oregon 10-3 (9)
Miami 1-11 (118)
Fresno St 8-5 (58)
Bowling Green 7-6 (76)
UC Davis (IAA)
Tulsa 5-7 (89)
Hawaii 6-7 (88)
San Jose St 2-10 (113)
Louisiana Tech 4-8 (84)
Idaho 8-5 (73)
Utah St 4-8 (94)
Nevada 8-5 (56)
New Mexico St 3-10 (117)
TCU 12-1 (5)

2x Top 25 wins (Oregon & TCU...see a trend here?)
No Other teams in the Top 50

2010
Virginia Tech 11-3 (14)
Wyoming 3-9 (100)
Oregon St 5-7 (45)
New Mexico St 2-10 (114)
Toledo 8-5 (71)
San Jose St 1-12 (113)
Louisiana Tech 5-7 (79)
Hawaii 10-4 (36)
Idaho 6-7 (82)
Fresno St 8-5 (58)
Nevada 13-1 (13) L
Utah St 4-8 (92)
Utah 10-3 (22)

2x Top 25 wins (VPI & Utah), 1x Top 25 loss (Nevada)
2x Top 50 wins

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vs Top 25
7-3 (Faced 5x BCS top 25 teams over five years)

W: Oregon St (20), Oklahoma (14), Oregon 2x (9, 12), TCU (5), VPI (14), Utah (22)
L: Hawaii (24), TCU (8), Nevada (13)

vs Top 50
3-0 (Not counting top 25 teams listed above)
W: Fresno St (50), Oregon St (45), Hawaii (36)

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From 2006-2010 Boise State faced a total of thirteen teams that finished in the top 50. Thirteen. Total.

And how many of those were conference games? Five.
Conversely six were either in a bowl or the first game of the season.

So out of their 61 wins...51 of them were against teams ranked from 51-120.
33 of them were against teams ranked lower than 75 (plus 3 more FCS/IAA).
15 of those wins were against teams not ranked in the top 100 (again that isn't counting games against IAA).
 
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Muck;1991255; said:
From 2006-2010 Boise State faced a total of thirteen teams that finished in the top 50. Thirteen. Total.

So out of their 61 wins...51 of them were against teams ranked from 51-120.

33 of them were against teams ranked lower than 75 (plus 3 more FCS/IAA).

15 of those wins were against teams not ranked in the top 100 (again that isn't counting games against IAA).
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Muck;1991255; said:
I wanted to put into perspective just what the BSU schedule really looks like year in and year out.

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From 2006-2010 Boise State faced a total of thirteen teams that finished in the top 50. Thirteen. Total.

And how many of those were conference games? Five.
Conversely six were either in a bowl or the first game of the season.

So out of their 61 wins...51 of them were against teams ranked from 51-120.
33 of them were against teams ranked lower than 75 (plus 3 more FCS/IAA).
15 of those wins were against teams not ranked in the top 100 (again that isn't counting games against IAA).
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Following up:

From 2006-2010...
Ohio State played 8x Top 25 out of conference games (going 3-5) & 3x additional Top 50 OOC games (3-0).

During that same time frame...
Boise State also played 8x Top 25 OOC games (7-1). In addition they faced one other Top 50 OOC team (again a victory).

Now before you start chanting BSU BSU!!!...

What that leaves out is that during those years...
Ohio State played 10x additional games against Top 25 teams within the Big Ten Conference (7-3) and another 9x Big Ten teams in the Top 50 (9-0).

Meanwhile during that period...
Boise State played only faced 2x teams from the WAC ranked in the Top 25 (0-2) and 2x more in the Top 50 (2-0)

So Ohio State's Big Ten schedule features 8x additional Top 25 teams & another 7x Top 50 teams.

So just by moving from the WAC to the B1G BSU would face an additional 1-2 Top 25 (at least one of which is likely to be in the Top 10) and 1-2 Top 50 teams each year (not to mention 1-2x fewer teams ranked 100 or worse). Think that might make things just a bit more difficult?

(Keep in mind that is using the Buckeye's schedule...the dominate B1G team from those years would be swamped into the mythical BSU schedule)

Also since those games have actual conference implications a coach might want to focus on them just a little bit more than the OOC clashes?

(Oh and if anyone is wondering about the disparity in Top 25 records...8 of the Top 25 teams Ohio State faced were in the Top 10, half of those were Big Ten opponents...only 3 of BSU's opponents were Top 10, all of course OOC)
 
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B1G (OSU) vs WAC (BSU) schedule opponents sorted by rank:

2006
TSUN 11-2 (7)
Penn State 9-4 (24)
Hawaii 11-3 (27)
Minnesota 6-7 (50)
Nevada 8-5 (53)
San Jose St 9-4 (57)
Iowa 6-7 (59)
MSU 4-8 (77)
Indiana 5-7 (75)
Northwestern 4-8 (80)
Fresno St 4-8 (86)
Illinois 2-10 (100)
New Mexico St 4-8 (105)
Idaho 4-8 (106)
Louisiana Tech 3-10 (112)
Utah St 1-11 (117)

2007
TSUN 9-4 (21)
Illinois 9-4 (23) (L)
Hawaii 12-1 (24) (L)
Penn St 9-4 (25)
Wisconsin 9-4 (30)
MSU 7-6 (46)
Fresno St 9-4 (50)
Purdue 8-5 (52)
Northwestern 6-6 (75)
Nevada 6-7 (82)
San Jose St 5-7 (92)
Louisiana Tech 5-7 (93)
Minnesota 1-11 (105)
New Mexico St 4-9 (112)
Utah St 2-10 (114)
Idaho 1-11 (120)

2008
Penn St 11-2 (7) (L)
MSU 9-4 (28)
Northwestern 9-4 (40)
Wisconsin 7-6 (53)
Nevada 7-6 (58)
Minnesota 7-6 (66)
Illinois 5-7 (67)
Louisiana Tech 8-5 (71)
Fresno St 7-5 (74)
Hawaii 7-7 (75)
Purdue 4-8 (76)
San Jose St 6-6 (86)
TSUN 3-9 (93)
Utah St 3-9 (100)
New Mexico St 3-9 (112)
Idaho 2-10 (118)

2009
Penn St 11-2 (10)
Iowa 11-2 (11)
Wisconsin 10-3 (18)
Nevada 8-5 (56)
Fresno St 8-5 (58)
Minnesota 6-7 (62)
Purdue 5-7 (68) (L)
Idaho 8-5 (73)
TSUN 5-7 (77)
Louisiana Tech 4-8 (84)
Hawaii 6-7 (88)
Illinois 3-9 (90)
Indiana 4-8 (91)
Utah St 4-8 (94)
San Jose St 2-10 (113)
New Mexico St 3-10 (117)

2010
Wisconsin 11-2 (12) (L)
Nevada 13-1 (13) (L)
Iowa 8-5 (26)
Hawaii 10-4 (36)
Illinois 7-6 (43)
Penn St. 7-6 (46)
TSUN 7-6 (49)
Fresno St 8-5 (58)
Louisiana Tech 5-7 (79)
Idaho 6-7 (82)
Minnesota 3-9 (84)
Indiana 5-7 (85)
Purdue 4-8 (86)
Utah St 4-8 (92)
San Jose St 1-12 (113)
New Mexico St 2-10 (114)


(Arguably) The toughest 4 game conference stretch for each team during the above years:

BSU WAC 2010
Hawaii 10-4 (36)
Idaho 6-7 (82)
Fresno St 8-5 (58)
Nevada 13-1 (13) (Loss)

OSU B1G 2007
Penn St 9-4 (25)
Wisconsin 9-4 (30)
Illinois 9-4 (23) (Loss)
TSUN 9-4 (21)

(BTW not counted in that 4 game run Ohio State the game before PSU was... MSU 7-6 (46))

Out of Ohio State's 4 conference losses, 3 of them were to teams that ended the season with either the 1st or 2nd highest rankings in the conference. Those 3 were all in the Top 25. (The other loss was to a #68 Purdue squad).

BSU's two conference losses were to the only two WAC teams to end the season in the Top 25.
 
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Muck;1991446; said:
Following up:

From 2006-2010...
Ohio State played 8x Top 25 out of conference games (going 3-5) & 3x additional Top 50 OOC games (3-0).

During that same time frame...
Boise State also played 8x Top 25 OOC games (7-1). In addition they faced one other Top 50 OOC team (again a victory).

Now before you start chanting BSU BSU!!!...

What that leaves out is that during those years...
Ohio State played 10x additional games against Top 25 teams within the Big Ten Conference (7-3) and another 9x Big Ten teams in the Top 50 (9-0).

Meanwhile during that period...
Boise State played only faced 2x teams from the WAC ranked in the Top 25 (0-2) and 2x more in the Top 50 (2-0)

So Ohio State's Big Ten schedule features 8x additional Top 25 teams & another 7x Top 50 teams.

So just by moving from the WAC to the B1G BSU would face an additional 1-2 Top 25 (at least one of which is likely to be in the Top 10) and 1-2 Top 50 teams each year (not to mention 1-2x fewer teams ranked 100 or worse). Think that might make things just a bit more difficult?

(Keep in mind that is using the Buckeye's schedule...the dominate B1G team from those years would be swamped into the mythical BSU schedule)

Also since those games have actual conference implications a coach might want to focus on them just a little bit more than the OOC clashes?

(Oh and if anyone is wondering about the disparity in Top 25 records...8 of the Top 25 teams Ohio State faced were in the Top 10, half of those were Big Ten opponents...only 3 of BSU's opponents were Top 10, all of course OOC)
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why do you keep putting x after every number? I read x as "times," and it makes no sense that way.
 
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SI.com

Boise State to appeal part of NCAA violations

 BOISE, Idaho (AP) -- Boise State will appeal the additional sanctions the NCAA committee on infraction imposed on its football program.

Boise State announced its decision late Tuesday afternoon. The school said it has informed the NCAA of its intentions to appeal.

The Broncos are specifically appealing additional punishment given to the football program. Boise State had implemented self-imposed sanctions in its official response to the NCAA that included reduced scholarships for one year and limited fewer preseason practices.

The NCAA added scholarship reductions from 85 to 82 through the 2014 school year and limited contact during spring practice.

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