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The Polls (AP, Coaches, & CFP, etc.)

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RCSooner1974 said:
Because those three teams beat everyone they've played also. Does that make sense?
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Yeah, but those three didn't lose to anyone they played, so.....better than Oklahoma.

I think OU should get in over OSU barring something really funky next Saturday, but I think your argument is pretty silly. Why should OU get a benefit over for OSU because they happened to get a rematch in their CCG whereas OSU didn't?
 
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Fungo Squiggly said:
Yeah, but those three didn't lose to anyone they played, so.....better than Oklahoma.

I think OU should get in over OSU barring something really funky next Saturday, but I think your argument is pretty silly. Why should OU get a benefit over for OSU because they happened to get a rematch in their CCG whereas OSU didn't?
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Well for one because Ohio State can't make up for that loss to Purdue by playing them again. Not that it would have mattered much mind you, because I'm sure you'd agree that losing by 3 to a 9-3 team isn't anywhere near as devastating as a four touchdown loss to a .500 team.

Now maybe they should alter the playoff format to where two teams can matchup for the 4th seed like Major League Baseball does when two teams contend for a wild-card berth. Perhaps it would be more fair to matchup OU vs. Ohio State to decide who gets to play Bama in the first round of the playoff.
 
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RCSooner1974 said:
Well for one because Ohio State can't make up for that loss to Purdue by playing them again. Not that it would have mattered much mind you, because I'm sure you'd agree that losing by 3 to a 9-3 team isn't anywhere near as devastating as a four touchdown loss to a .500 team.
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Definitely agree. That's why I would have no problem with OU being in ahead of OSU. Barring something crazy.
 
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Fungo Squiggly said:
Definitely agree. That's why I would have no problem with OU being in ahead of OSU. Barring something crazy.
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This is where I think we will start to begin questioning the format for the CFP in the same manner people began questioning the old BCS rankings that lead to the introduction of the playoff. Maybe it should be expanded to 6 teams or 8, or add an additional "wild-card" matchup to the current format so there won't be any question as to who the fourth team should be.
 
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RCSooner1974 said:
This is where I think we will start to begin questioning the format for the CFP in the same manner people began questioning the old BCS rankings that lead to the introduction of the playoff. Maybe it should be expanded to 6 teams or 8, or add an additional "wild-card" matchup to the current format so there won't be any question as to who the fourth team should be.
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I'm torn on that one. I wouldn't mind seeing it go to 8 for entertainment purposes, but I also don't feel like team 8 has any claim to being "the best team" in the nation. It takes it from being a whole season of being "the best" to which team gets hot at the right time. Which is fine....as long as we can acknowledge that the winner may not be the best team over the course of the season.

What I would like to see the CFP do is bring back computers into the equation. So much of the hype for the SEC and ACC is generated by Espin that it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy of success. Should UGA knock off Bama next weekend, I suspect both OSU and OU will be on the outside while espn shoehorns two sec teams into it again.
 
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Fungo Squiggly said:
I'm torn on that one. I wouldn't mind seeing it go to 8 for entertainment purposes, but I also don't feel like team 8 has any claim to being "the best team" in the nation. It takes it from being a whole season of being "the best" to which team gets hot at the right time. Which is fine....as long as we can acknowledge that the winner may not be the best team over the course of the season.

What I would like to see the CFP do is bring back computers into the equation. So much of the hype for the SEC and ACC is generated by Espin that it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy of success. Should UGA knock off Bama next weekend, I suspect both OSU and OU will be on the outside while espn shoehorns two sec teams into it again.
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And, I would not be surprised to see Bama roll over because it would be in their financial interest. If 2 SEC teams go in, it is time to boycott and for the B1G and a few others to walk.
 
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I agreed with you until I saw this metric. It looks similar to the crap that espin put out for Bama and left our conference championship win out of all of their metrics.
I just checked the FPI and it has:
Bama 30.9
Clemson 30
Georgia 26.2
ttun 22.1
Oklahoma 21.1
OSU 21.1 (exactly the same)
ND 20.1
I don't like the FPI, it is very SEC focused (Miss St currently at 9)

Current SOS from TeamRankings metrics show:
Georgia 3
Bama at 5
OSU 10
Oklahoma 15
Clemson 18
ND 27

SOS on Sagrin's show:
Bama 55
Clemson 48
Georgia 26
Ohio State 43
ttun 29
Oklahoma 37
ND 44

I went to footballoutsiders to look at their S&P SOS rankings. It literally has all 14 SEC teams as 1-14. If that's not biased I don't know. It has Oklahoma 53 and OSU 58. They have a second SOS metric that has Oklahoma 60 and OSU 66, though that one doesn't have the SEC as 1-14.

Is there another place I can go to find SOS? All in all they seem similar, with Oklahoma probably having a slight edge.

vs top AP/Coahces top 25 teams (assuming we both win this weekend)
OSU beat No 8, 12/14, 21
Oklahoma beat No 9, 15/16, 24/26
Where in the fuck did that chart get 3 top 25 wins to 2. Like they are already giving Oklahoma credit for the Texas win, but not the other way.
This weekend would drop Texas down to outside the top 10, perhaps bring Penn State in, and will drop out NW entirely.
So I'd say these numbers look pretty similar with a slight edge to Ohio State.

This banner really wants us to focus on the losses, highlighting how much we lost by. The games were actually fairly similar.

For us, it was a 1 score game midway through the third, when our guys finally broke and Purdue piled on a few scores late. The shit thing is we actually slightly outgained them, just couldn't finish drives.

For Oklahoma, they were being thoroughly dominated. Texas had a 21 pt lead with 9 to go in the game. The difference being Oklahoma scrapped their way back into the game to tie it late, but when our guys gave up. Oklahoma also slightly outgained Texas in the game. The other difference being Texas is quite a bit of a better team than Purdue.

Anyone actually watching the games (I watched both closely) would know that. I just guess that most people voting have not.

That said, I've got no problem with Oklahoma going. I think they've got a slightly better overall resume. They also have played with consistency and WILL give Bama a show. Oklahoma has consistently scored at will and let anyone with a pulse score at will. It will likely end 60-50 Bama and be an awesome game. I'll watch it and cheer like hell for the sooners.
With us it could end anywhere from Bama winning 40-10 to us winning 50-40 or anywhere in between. You really don't know who will show up, and that should be held against us. Dominate NW and it will show that we are on the right track but might be too late.
 
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TampaBuckeyes said:
I agreed with you until I saw this metric. It looks similar to the crap that espin put out for Bama and left our conference championship win out of all of their metrics.
I just checked the FPI and it has:
Bama 30.9
Clemson 30
Georgia 26.2
ttun 22.1
Oklahoma 21.1
OSU 21.1 (exactly the same)
ND 20.1
I don't like the FPI, it is very SEC focused (Miss St currently at 9)

Current SOS from TeamRankings metrics show:
Georgia 3
Bama at 5
OSU 10
Oklahoma 15
Clemson 18
ND 27

SOS on Sagrin's show:
Bama 55
Clemson 48
Georgia 26
Ohio State 43
ttun 29
Oklahoma 37
ND 44

I went to footballoutsiders to look at their S&P SOS rankings. It literally has all 14 SEC teams as 1-14. If that's not biased I don't know. It has Oklahoma 53 and OSU 58. They have a second SOS metric that has Oklahoma 60 and OSU 66, though that one doesn't have the SEC as 1-14.

Is there another place I can go to find SOS? All in all they seem similar, with Oklahoma probably having a slight edge.

vs top AP/Coahces top 25 teams (assuming we both win this weekend)
OSU beat No 8, 12/14, 21
Oklahoma beat No 9, 15/16, 24/26
Where in the fuck did that chart get 3 top 25 wins to 2. Like they are already giving Oklahoma credit for the Texas win, but not the other way.
This weekend would drop Texas down to outside the top 10, perhaps bring Penn State in, and will drop out NW entirely.
So I'd say these numbers look pretty similar with a slight edge to Ohio State.

This banner really wants us to focus on the losses, highlighting how much we lost by. The games were actually fairly similar.

For us, it was a 1 score game midway through the third, when our guys finally broke and Purdue piled on a few scores late. The shit thing is we actually slightly outgained them, just couldn't finish drives.

For Oklahoma, they were being thoroughly dominated. Texas had a 21 pt lead with 9 to go in the game. The difference being Oklahoma scrapped their way back into the game to tie it late, but when our guys gave up. Oklahoma also slightly outgained Texas in the game. The other difference being Texas is quite a bit of a better team than Purdue.

Anyone actually watching the games (I watched both closely) would know that. I just guess that most people voting have not.

That said, I've got no problem with Oklahoma going. I think they've got a slightly better overall resume. They also have played with consistency and WILL give Bama a show. Oklahoma has consistently scored at will and let anyone with a pulse score at will. It will likely end 60-50 Bama and be an awesome game. I'll watch it and cheer like hell for the sooners.
With us it could end anywhere from Bama winning 40-10 to us winning 50-40 or anywhere in between. You really don't know who will show up, and that should be held against us. Dominate NW and it will show that we are on the right track but might be too late.
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A lot of the BCS computers are still out there (Colley Matrix is one I remember?), but it's ultimately a pointless discussion. Shadow Council gonna Shadow Council -- nothing any of us can do about it.
I'll take the shot if we get it; and I'll take the silver lining if we don't.
Beat Michigan and win Conference - that's what Ohio State can control and team goals.

If they put Bama and Georgia in, however, that is something I cannot abide.
It's a pity USC sucks... I think both OU and OSU are better than the Domers. And would love to see them frozen out for not playing a real conference schedule or championship. But that was never going to happen.
 
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Oklahoma and OSU are too close to call right now. It's going to come down to who plays better Saturday to decide who gets in.

Texas is a better opponent, (but still overanked) so OSU needs to absolutely dominate NW to have a good shot at jumping Ok. Not getting my hopes up yet because there are a lot of factors now out of the Buckeyes control.

As for expanding the playoffs, I'm all for it. Playoffs are never about the best team winning, they're about matchups and teams peaking at the end of the season.
 
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