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The Official Offense Discussion (Merged)

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FindlayBucks said:
WTF?
Could you re-phrase that?
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What he said was, "The offense is a joke, so we should fire Jim Tressel. Clearly, a 3-1 bowl record, 3-1 record against Michigan, 2 BCS bowl victories, two 10-win seasons, the national title, the dozens upon dozens of players taken in the NFL draft ... clearly this guy can't coach! Having 1,200 yard freshmen running backs (Clarett), OSU career leaders in yards/receptions (Jenkins), and a QB with a 25-3 record as a starter (Krenzel) clearly indicates this clown doesn't know a thing about offense.

Dammit!!! Bring back the glory days of Ken-Yon Rambo and Reggie Germany!!!" :tongue2:
 
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During the past two weeks, the Buckeyes’ third and fourth receivers (Anthony Gonzalez and Roy Hall) have combined for one catch for 3 yards.
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So is OSU now back to "power?"
Asked this question, players seemed to adopt a "don’t ask, can’t tell" response.
"I don’t know, maybe," offensive tackle Doug Datish said, shrugging. "I think we just do whatever seems to be working. Everything works on occasion."
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Gonzalez said, "To be honest, it seems like each week we kind of go in our own direction. Each week, we kind of put in a different game plan, and sometimes it seems like our offense changes altogether."
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Schlegel said. "I think the bottom line is any time you’re comfortable in the scheme you’re running, you can play with confidence and play fast, and I think that’s what the new coach has really brought to them offensively."
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"Every week conceptually you’re facing a different defense, or sometimes personnel-wise you are," he said. "Based upon what they do structurally and who they are, personnel-wise, you change a little bit. It’s based upon what we needed to do based on who they were."
But who are the Buckeyes, and does it matter?
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for someone who supposedly doesn't want an oc forced on him, he sure is making it damned easy to support such a thing. i think gonzo's statements are the most telling. how flashing red lights and sirens don't go off when one of your star players says something like that is beyond me.
 
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Wow, when I read this article, I said to myself, "no wonder our offense is not very good and very inconsistant". I am a firm believer in having some kind of philosophy within a program. As many of said, it sure seems like our defense and special teams have had it......but nothing on offense. Too many changes, not just from season to season, but week to week. What happened to keeping things simple, and keep working on something to get better. Why would you want to do alot of things mediocre and not a few things great? Pick something, and go with it.....practice it till you puke and just keep getting better!! I don't understand this at all.
When your own players don't know whats going on from week to week....that says it all right there.
 
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I think we run the ball fairly well, we just can't hold onto it when we do. Pittman is a pretty great "serviceable" back, but needs a backup that isn't named TS (tho those work much better than it seems like they do... check the stats, they always surprise me).

I think if you put Chris Wells on this team, we would be able to control the clock better. This doesn't mean we would win all of our games handily, but it seems like we do good things on the ground, and then Pittman gets tired, and then we punt.
 
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jwinslow said:
I think we run the ball fairly well, we just can't hold onto it when we do. Pittman is a pretty great "serviceable" back, but needs a backup that isn't named TS (tho those work much better than it seems like they do... check the stats, they always surprise me).

I think if you put Chris Wells on this team, we would be able to control the clock better. This doesn't mean we would win all of our games handily, but it seems like we do good things on the ground, and then Pittman gets tired, and then we punt.
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I think you nailed it with the first statement, and that's all that needs to be said. We just can't hold on to the football. This team is actually ranked #35 in rush offense in the country, in spite of 10 fumbles. If the team would just stop shooting themselves in the foot, the team would be a top 20 rush offense. If you had told me this offseason that OSU would have one of the better rush offenses in the country with Pittman leading the way, I wouldn't have believed it. If they'd get more than 42 snaps and 18:00 time of possession this would be a complete non-issue.

Nobody can have an effective offense when you muff returns, fumble in the red zone, and miss blocking assignments that lead to game-ending sacks. The players are leaving 10:00 and 15-20 plays on the field every game. Troy even struggles sometimes with the center/QB exchange and bouncing the ball off his own knee when he shoots the gap. 10 lost fumbles doesn't even begin to describe the problem. There are another 15-20 fumbles that the offense recovers which go as -5 to -10 yard plays.
 
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Cleveland PD

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Jim Tressel sure has a tough grading system for his quarterbacks: Tressel says that during the Buckeyes' 2002 national-champion season, star QB Craig Krenzel earned "winning performance" grades in only two or three of the team's 14 games. Remember that when analysts and OSU fans do their weekly hand-wringing about Troy Smith, the Buckeyes' current quarterback. One number to keep in mind when the Buckeyes' QB and his teammates face Indiana tomorrow afternoon - 50. That's the minimum number of rushing yards Tressel wants from his quarterback each game, and Smith (with 42) didn't reach it last week against Michigan State.
 
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50 yds rushing per game is definitely within Troy's capabilities. I wonder how many other QBs would grade low on that routinely though? I'm thinking of when Todd gets his call, or Schoenhoft for that matter. neither are as gifted a runner as Troy. Looks like our future may have many team wins and possibly few QB winning grades with those wins.
 
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This was discussed on 1460 yesterday at noon during the JT call-in show. Craig had a rushing benchmark because he was a good scrambling QB, but McMullen did not. Similarly Troy's 'winning performance' goals are different from Justin's. The coaches have a different goal sheet for each player, geared more towards the style of play and the playcalls sent in during the game.

The issue was brought up about whether the 50 yard benchmark is actually a detriment to Troy, since he is being sent out there with the thought in his head that has to get 50 on the ground somewhere, to which JT gave his typical obfuscated JT-speak.
 
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Dryden said:
This was discussed on 1460 yesterday at noon during the JT call-in show. Craig had a rushing benchmark because he was a good scrambling QB, but McMullen did not. Similarly Troy's 'winning performance' goals are different from Justin's. The coaches have a different goal sheet for each player, geared more towards the style of play and the playcalls sent in during the game.

The issue was brought up about whether the 50 yard benchmark is actually a detriment to Troy, since he is being sent out there with the thought in his head that has to get 50 on the ground somewhere, to which JT gave his typical obfuscated JT-speak.
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OK - that seems a little more reasonable. I don't get 1460 down here near Cantucki nation so hadn't heard this discussion. And the part about live by the metric / die by the metric is a good point. Was JT's answer in part that he has to take what the defense is giving (look for receivers then pull down and run if not open) on passing plays?
 
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sandgk said:
Was JT's answer in part that he has to take what the defense is giving (look for receivers then pull down and run if not open) on passing plays?
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I'm not kidding about the obfuscated JT-speak. I honestly have no idea what I was listening to when he answered the question. I'm pretty sure he told me to track down Jodie Foster or something like that, but I can't be certain.
 
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