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Game Thread THE GAME: #1 Ohio State 42, #2 Michigan 39 (11/18/06)

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I'm not the biggest Kiper fan on the planet, but he does have Ginn as the #2 WR and Gonzo as the #3. SI is on CRACK.


I would bet my life that TG & AG will produce twice as much yardage as Adrian Arrington and Mario do on Nov. 18th. We'll see.
 
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OHIO STATE
Rose Bowl would be a letdown for loser

Big Ten teams have aimed for that game for years, but OSU and Michigan aim higher this season.


By Doug Harris
Staff Writer

Friday, November 03, 2006

COLUMBUS ? Rose Bowl CEO Mitch Dorger knows what his football game historically has meant in Big Ten country, having grown up in Columbus at a time when, as he put it, "Woody Hayes was God and the Rose Bowl was heaven."
But the 60-year-old Dorger knows that for at least this year, a trip to Pasadena for one of the participants could be perceived as a consolation prize.
"It's very disturbing for a traditionalist to be considered as having sort of a runner-up role," he said. "That's not the way we want to look at ourselves, but that's the system we signed up for."
If No. 1 Ohio State and second-ranked Michigan go into their Nov. 18 clash undefeated, the victor will claim an outright Big Ten title and play in the Bowl Championship Series title game Jan. 8. The loser almost certainly will trudge off to the Rose Bowl to face the Pacific 10 Conference winner Jan. 1.
Each major bowl has a conference tie-in and can pick from the pool of eligible teams when it loses a league champ to the national title game. The bowl surrendering the top-ranked team picks first, and the one contributing the No. 2 school goes second.
The Buckeyes or Wolverines are virtually guaranteed to end up No. 1 if they finish undefeated, giving the Rose Bowl the first choice among at-large teams. Dorger is eyeing the Big Ten runner-up.
"We are partners with the Pac-10 and Big Ten conferences," he said. "And as partners, we agreed to let the No. 1 and 2 teams go (to the national championship) with the phrasing that we'd give preference to the No. 2 team in our anchor conference ? providing they're BCS eligible and ranked reasonably close to the other teams."
Either OSU or Michigan would fit that criteria by going 11-1. The loser of that game could force a rematch by finishing second in the final BCS standings, but that isn't likely.
"There's a high probability we'll have a Pac-10-Big Ten matchup," Dorger said. "If we're looking at two 11-1 teams ranked in the top eight, that's not a bad game."

Contact this reporter at (937) 225-2125 or [email protected]
 
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David is Goliath

By Stephanie Wright
11/3/06
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All season long, David Harris has been a one-man hit parade.

The most memorable might be the monstrous wallop he laid on Iowa quarterback Drew Tate deep in Hawkeye territory two weeks ago.

"Oh yeah, I knew I got him good," Harris said with a smile. "I turned around and saw him lie on the ground for a little bit."

Harris's mind-numbing blows have garnered the fifth-year senior heaps of praise in recent weeks. Michigan coach Lloyd Carr and former Ohio State linebacker Chris Spielman both called Harris the best college linebacker they've seen this season.

And as of Oct. 26, ESPN's NFL Draft expert Mel Kiper projected Harris as the 23rd overall pick in this April's draft, one spot ahead of Penn State's stud linebacker Paul Posluszny.

But you wouldn't know it by talking to Harris.

Humble and soft-spoken, Harris deflects any acclaim thrown his way, crediting the defensive line, his coaches, his opponent - anyone but himself.

And he might not be where he is today if he hadn't.

No matter what life has thrown his way, Harris's humility, dedication and quiet perseverance have carried him.

He's living proof that actions really do speak louder than words.



When David's mom, Shirley Harris, says football has been with her son since birth, she isn't kidding. She even has the pictures to prove it.

In early 1984, David's parents brought him home from the hospital to find that his older brother had already placed a football in the baby's crib.

Before he could even walk, his destiny was sealed.

The Grand Rapids native started playing organized football when he was about 8 years old. Right away, it was clear David was built for the sport.

Maybe a little too built.

Even though David was born prematurely, he grew rapidly, and by the time he took to the gridiron for the first time, he was too heavy to suit up full-time for his Pop Warner league's 8-year-old team.

The coaches let him play offense on every snap, but he could only line up for a few defensive downs each game. That didn't sit well with David, who desperately wanted to play defense.

By fifth grade, David was about eight pounds over the weight limit and still restricted to the offensive side of the ball. One of his coaches told him that if he dropped his weight, he could get on the field on defense, too.

So the linebacker-to-be took matters into his own hands."When I came home, he had Saran wrap from his neck down to his toes," Shirley said. "When I asked him why, he said 'Coach told me I need to lose weight.' � I took the scissors and went straight down his back, down one leg and then down the other leg.

"That's when they moved him up to the senior team."

From Pop Warner to Ann Arbor, all David wanted was to be on the field. Heading into ninth grade, he practiced with Ottawa Hills High School's varsity squad for nearly all of its training camp.

But two days before the season started, David asked to be moved down to JV because he didn't want to spend the year sitting on the bench.

The extra playing time paid off. In three varsity seasons, Harris notched 295 tackles and 16 sacks, and set school records for solo tackles in a season (114) and career (225).

Never one to be confined to either side of the ball, Harris was a regular at fullback during his senior season, when he amassed 565 rushing yards and nine touchdowns.

But his earth-shattering hits as a linebacker made him famous.

"(The other parents) called him 'the terminator' in high school," Shirley said. "Because when he hit someone, you knew it."

Five years later, the nickname still describes David perfectly.



Even though David's ferocious hits were notorious at Ottawa Hills, he was relatively unheralded coming out of high school. Rivals.com ranked the three-star recruit as the nation's No. 23 inside linebacker in 2002 - 11 spots below now-reserve defensive end Jeremy Van Alstyne and two spots ahead of now-starting fullback Obi Oluigbo.

None of that mattered to David, a good student who had his heart set on donning maize and blue.

When he took the ACT as a ninth grader, Michigan was the first university listed on his form. If he'd had his way, it would have been the only university, too. Shirley said she had to convince him to even consider other schools.

It must have been a dream come true when he signed his letter of intent.But David's first two years in Ann Arbor were far from ideal. After redshirting the 2002 season, Harris recorded two tackles in the Wolverines' 2003 season opener.

Harris's promising redshirt freshman campaign ended the following week when he injured his left ACL and had to leave the field on a stretcher during Michigan's blowout win over Houston.

"The most disappointing thing in that game was that David Harris suffered a knee injury that will require surgery," Carr said at the time. "David will miss the rest of the season. That's a big loss for our football team, not only (because of) the fact that he is a very promising football player. (He is also) a wonderful young man, so that's a big loss for us."

Harris underwent surgery the following Friday, spending the night at Campus Inn before heading home to Grand Rapids for the weekend.

The doctors had given David a large prescription of Vicodin to ease the pain, and he took two pills when he first got home. But David didn't like the way they made him feel. So Shirley grabbed the bottle and flushed the rest of the pills.

"He just toughed it out," Shirley said.



Shirley described David as down but not depressed during his recovery, an attitude that she attributes to the way he had bounced back from serious injuries in the past.

When he was about 3 years old, David ran into his dad's bench press, and the end of one of the barbells hit him right on the bridge of his nose.

Doctors told his parents that if the barbell had hit him slightly to the left or right, it would have taken out one of his eyes. A scar from the injury is still visible on his nose today.

Six years later, David flipped over his bicycle and landed so that a screw lodged itself in his head, sending him back to the hospital.

"I told (the doctor) to give me the bad news first," Shirley said. "He said, 'No, here's the good news. The good news is that the screw didn't penetrate his skull.' I said, 'What's the bad news?' He said, 'He's got a hard head.' " Jokes aside, David would need that resilience to keep his spirits up during the year-long rehabilitation from his torn ACL.

"I doubted myself a lot," Harris told the Associated Press earlier this year. "It's just one of those things where you have to keep telling yourself that you're going to come back and be better than you were before. You just have to progress like that."

On Sept. 4, 2004, almost exactly a year after suffering the injury, Harris returned to the field, notching two special teams tackles against Miami (Ohio). He saw limited action in Michigan's next two games before earning his first career start, against Iowa.

As it turns out, that first start might have come a little too soon. Shirley said David overdid it against the Hawkeyes and his leg locked up later that week.

Even though he traveled to Indiana the following week, he didn't play.

When David brought his mom and dad, Timothy Harris, Sr., down to the sideline before the game to tell them he wouldn't be suiting up, Shirley could see how disappointed he was.

"I just told him, 'Just take it easy,' " Shirley said. " 'If another person can come back, you can do it too, just don't take it too fast. You don't give your body time to heal, (and) you can do more damage to it than was originally done.' "

After Indiana, David sat out the next four games before working his way back into the lineup for the Wolverines' final three contests, including their Rose Bowl loss.

A complete comeback would have to wait one more year.



Considering Harris's redshirt freshman season ended in its second game, it's only fitting that his redshirt junior season began the same week.

David missed last year's season opener because of an ankle injury he suffered in training camp. But he earned his second career start against Notre Dame the following week, picking up eight tackles and one forced fumble in the contest.

He hasn't looked back since. Harris stormed onto the scene last year, finishing with seven tackles for loss and a team-high 88 tackles. For that, Harris earned the Roger Zatkoff Award, presented annually to Michigan's top linebacker.

This year, the 6-foot-2, 239-pounder is receiving plenty of national hype. Last month, Harris was named one of 10 semifinalists for the 2006 Butkus Award, given annually to the nation's best collegiate linebacker.

"It's an honor, but I know that doesn't mean anything," Harris said. "It's not going to help me play better, (and) it's not going to be give me an advantage over an opponent lined up across from me."

Neither will weighing in on April's NFL Draft. Hard as it is to believe, Harris really does seem to have blocked the NFL out of his mind for now.

That doesn't mean the NFL has stopped thinking about Harris. Agents have tried to contact him, but he decided before the season to redirect their brochures and phone calls to his parents until after Michigan's bowl game.

"They call, and I tell them what David told me," Shirley said. "I'm not going to talk to anyone until after his NCAA eligibility is over."

Said David: "I can't afford to think about it right now. I have to worry about this season, take it one game at a time. I know that if I take care of business, that will take care of itself."

So far, so good.

Through nine games, Harris is pacing the Wolverines with 55 tackles, including 40 solo stops, and his eight tackles for loss rank third on the team.

When asked if he ever feels guilty after a hit, Harris was predictably mum. He just shook his head, smirked and said no.

But really, he didn't need to say anything.

Harris's hits speak for themselves.
 
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Scott Bell: Wake up: 'M' deserves better

By Scott Bell
11/3/06

The sight last Saturday made me cringe.

No, I'm not talking about the offense's performance (though an argument could be made that my grandma could complete 10 passes against Northwestern in the span on 60 minutes).

No, I'm not talking about what I saw when I stepped outside to walk to the Big House (though seeing nothing but wind and rain in between the stadium and me is a tad bit depressing).

I'm talking about seeing the top of Michigan Stadium almost completely empty.

The Big House crowd looked more like the one from the Bash at the Big House two years ago, when Division II Grand Valley State squared off against Northern Michigan. For those of you freshmen and sophomores out there who have no idea what I'm talking about, that's not a compliment.

As it got closer and closer to game time last Saturday, I kept watching the student section, waiting for it to fill up. But alas, by kickoff, there were still more empty seats than I'd ever seen at a home game in my three years at Michigan.

On top of that, I would say about 25 percent of the student section left before or at halftime. The same goes for those in the rest of the stadium, too.

I don't care if Michigan was playing Northwestern, it's still the last conference home game of the year for a team that's now 9-0.

I don't care if the weather was less than perfect. I'll tell you one thing: It was much colder at field level for the players than it was in the crowd, and the players sure weren't complaining.

The fact is, when you let noted Ohio State homer Kirk Herbstreit diss you - and rightfully so - then you know something can't be right.

"It was amazing to see that on TV. The whole student section was almost gone in the second quarter. That was embarrassing," Herbstreit said during his radio show on Columbus's 1460 WBNS-AM this past Monday. "You would never see that at a school like Ohio State or Wisconsin or Penn State. I don't know if that was lack of respect for Northwestern or that early kick or just being bored or what it was.

"If you're a Michigan fan, honestly, help me to understand, you have a team that is No. 2 in the country, you only get a chance to see them play at home six or seven times and you bail in the second quarter?"

Herbstreit 1, Michigan 0.

Don't care what a Buckeye thinks about our crowd? Let's see what Michigan coach Lloyd Carr thought about last Saturday.

"We had some students that didn't show up. � Too cold, they're not tough enough," Carr said during his post-game press conference on Saturday.

Owned.

But the Great Fan Exodus of 2006 isn't even the key concern of mine. It just plays into my larger point.

Where is the support for this team in general?

Now, don't take this as a widespread scolding. I know some of the fans are diehard. Seeing the students celebrate at Notre Dame and Penn State and rewatching it on YouTube gives me chills. Those of you that cheered and danced around in the rain during the Central Michigan game need not read anymore, this doesn't apply to you.

But for a good chunk of campus, the team's run this season doesn't mean anything to you. How do people dare complain about a 7-5 season, and then hardly lift a finger to cheer the next year when the team is awesome?

I don't believe the people who argue that it's expected for the Wolverines to do this and that students shouldn't get bent out of shape for what's going on. Michigan has won one national title in 58 years. I'm sorry, but that's hardly a dynasty, folks.

There are no pep rallies planned for Ohio State weekend. None. This could be the biggest regular-season game in the school's history, and the buzz on campus doesn't even come close to matching the magnitude of the situation.

So there's your guilt trip. Now, if you haven't already sold your Ball State ticket for five bucks, grab a maize shirt and head out to Saturday's last home game of the year and make up for lost time.

And when game's end comes rolling around, I don't care if Michigan is up by 50 and you don't recognize a player left on the field - the stadium better be full, and this season's team better get a standing ovation.

You owe it to the players, you owe it to your school and you owe it to yourself.
 
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Football Saturday

By Scott Bell, Matt Singer, Stephanie Wright
11/3/06

Another week and another win for Michigan. This Wolverine team hasn't blown out a Big Ten opponent like Ohio State has every week, but it's quietly living up to its No. 2 ranking. The defense has dominated opponents.

Even though the Wolverines are headed for an undefeated showdown against Ohio State, it seems many of you don't really care.

Last year, you called for Lloyd Carr's head on a platter after a 7-5 season. But now, you're not there to show your support (see Northwestern game student section).

In today's issue, Scott Bell admonishes the students for their lack of support for a 9-0 team. Especially since there's a good chance the Wolverines will be competing for a National Championship.

Also make sure to check out Stephanie Wright's story on middle linebacker David Harris. The Grand Rapids native has been the rock of the Michigan defense, laying big hit after big hit on whoever gets in his way.
 
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Mesko gets kick out of America
U-M starting punter has lived a dream since leaving Romania by winning a green card.


U-M punter Zoltan Mesko continues to improve since the season opener against Vanderbilt. The sophomore is ranked fifth in the Big Ten, averaging 41.6 yards and on Saturday pinned Northwestern deep three times, which coach Lloyd Carr called critical.


ANN ARBOR -- There are journeys, and then there are journeys.
And Zoltan Mesko's path to Michigan, where he is the starting punter for the second-ranked and unbeaten Wolverines, just might be one of the most unique.
Certainly, it is unusual. It is, in fact, about grasping for and living the American dream.
Mesko is a native of Romania, which his engineer parents, Michael and Elizabeth, left to try to give their son a better life.
In 1996, Michael Mesko applied for a green card through The Diversity Immigrant Visa Lottery, established that year. The program gives 50,000 randomly selected applicants permanent-residence visas in the United States to those who meet the requirements.
The Meskos won.
"My dad came into the living room running with this big envelope, and he told my mom, 'Come over here, I have to show you something,' " Zoltan Mesko said. "And my mom thought it was another cockroach that was in the apartment, and she was like, 'Don't show me that thing.' And it ended up being the great news we got that night.
"It was kind of unbelievable, because we always thought of America as the country to be in. We took advantage. We had to sell everything. We got six bags to bring over here, and that was basically our life in those six bags."
Mesko was 11 years old when he helped pack those bags for a new life. Within a year, they were living in New York City, in Queens, where family friends helped them adjust for the first six months.
"I had no doubt in my mind (about the move)," Mesko said. "I was a little kid, so I was like, 'This is America. I get to have video games and stuff.' "
They spoke no English.
"I watched the (Chicago) Bulls in '97, and I didn't know what they were talking about," Mesko said, laughing at the memory. "They were beating up on the Jazz that year. I remember watching a TV station in Spanish for 30 minutes, and I thought it was English. I didn't know."
Although Mesko was told about the revolution in Romania in 1989, when he was 3 1/2 years old, he doesn't remember the fear his family experienced in those war-torn days. They told their son about the bullets that sprayed through their city home and how on Christmas Eve, they were together, lying on the ground to dodge the gunfire.
Too young to remember the strife in Romania, Mesko remarked that while living in New York, he saw building fires and crime.
"I was telling myself, 'This is not America,' " he said.
Family friends helped the Meskos move to Ohio, where they eventually settled in Twinsburg, located between Akron and Cleveland.
While growing up in Ohio -- he became a huge Ohio State fan -- Mesko discovered football. Or maybe it discovered him.
He was playing kickball in the gym while in seventh grade, when his powerful left leg knocked down a ceiling light.
"The gym teacher said, 'Well, you have a leg. I'm going to talk to the football coach,' " said Mesko, who was a soccer player at the time. "I had played soccer all my life it was hard giving soccer up, but football's America's sport, and I love it."
Mesko was one of the highest-rated kickers coming out of high school. He accepted Michigan's scholarship and a few days later was offered one by Ohio State.
He fully expected to play last season for the Wolverines but sat out and took a redshirt.
"It was really a humbling experience," Mesko said. "I felt like I could have helped the team last year. That's history. I'm doing what I can this year. I wasn't up to par with the speed of the game. It took me half a year to get adjusted to everything. The coaches made the right decision.
"I don't take things for granted as much anymore. We always fall into that trap, but you have to keep reminding yourself to keep improving."
Mesko, who is 6-foot-4, 218 pounds, continues to improve. He is fifth in the Big Ten in punting, averaging 41.6 yards, and last week against Northwestern, he had three punts that pinned the Wildcats deep.
"I think it was a critical factor on Saturday," coach Lloyd Carr said of Mesko's pooch punting against Northwestern. "Anytime you play in weather like we had, it's really important because it comes down to a field-position game. And if you can play great defense, which we did, if you can punt the ball and knock them inside the 20, which Zoltan did three times ... what that does is change field position. So there were three times that Zoltan did that."
While Mesko prides himself on his powerful left leg, he's also beginning to accept the fact that finesse also is a powerful weapon. Still, like a golfer who can't help but go for the long drive every time, Mesko likes to measure himself based on distance. He said that last week in practice he had a punt that went from his 5-yard line to the other 10.
And then, there are those lights in the Wolverines' Oosterbaan Fieldhouse. He has moments that remind him of the day he was discovered in the gym way back when.
"What can I say? I still do it in the indoor building," Mesko said of kicking out lights.
Mesko, who now speaks perfect English and enjoys the rush of playing top-level college football, was accepted into Michigan's business school.
Clearly, he is living the American dream.
"I'm glad I'm from a different nation," Mesko said. "It's a struggling nation. I get reminded of where I come from every day, and I'm more appreciative of where I am today."
 
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I think that if nothing happens in a thread for six hours, I'm allowed to post some worthless historical statistics. I think I posted something like this last year. But this is up-to-date.

First, what I call the "blowin' it" stat. Going back to 1951 (Woody's first year), I counted the number of times a team "should have won," but didn't. By "should have won," I mean that that team had the better record going into the game. If the records were the same, neither team could get a point for "blowin' it." If the game was tied, it counted as a loss for whichever team was supposed to win.

Since 1951, the score is Ohio State 11 - Michigan 9 for "blowin' it." However, the score during "the Cooper years" is Ohio State 5 - Michigan 1.

Next, let's score the teams like this: for every time the Michigan "blew it," Ohio State got a point, and for every time Ohio State "blew it," Michigan got a point. Each team then got another point for each win in the series, and each team then got another point for a road win in the series.

The score with this system is Ohio State 48 - Michigan 48. The score during "the Cooper years" is Ohio State 3 - Michigan 19. In Tressel's first year, Ohio State got 3 points. (OSU won the game, on the road, and Michigan had the better record going into the game.)

Under Woody Hayes, Ohio State outscored Michigan 26-20.
Under Earle Bruce, Ohio State outscored Michigan 11-7.
Under Tressel, Ohio State has outscored Michigan 8-2.

The win/loss record in that time is Ohio State 27 - Michigan 26 - Tie 2. In Ann Arbor, Ohio State is 12-15-1. In Columbus, Ohio State is 15-11-1.
 
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David Harris

Hey, the dude does seem to be a pretty good linebacker, although dirty hits don't make you a better player.

If you want to see highlights of Harris's work, I suggest the Troy Smith to Gonzales pass last year on the final drive.... as Danielson described it, "watch Houdini get out of trouble here, he wants to run..." and at that point, Troy and Harris were running AT each other. But, Troy stopped turned and ran away from Harris, leaving him to tackle the air behind Troy's ankles... It was awesome.

As I say, he seems to be a good linebacker but you watch, Troy will give him fits again this year, after Llllloyd tells Harris and Woodley to go out and put some hits on Troy (cause you know that's what they're gonna try to do - it's scUM's only chance to beat us, injure Troy Smith).

I expect Mesko to have a great game -- in TOTAL YARDS, since he will probably be called on to punt ten or eleven times. Trapasso will have two or three, just wait.

Go Bucks!
 
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R0CK3TM4NN;650366; said:
For the Texas game last year, the show started at 10:00 AM, and they didn't open the gates to the staging area until 7:00 or 8:00. The line was already forming at 6:00 AM.

So for Nov. 18th...get a tent and some sleeping bags.
idk where you were but we were down infront of st johns drunk at 3am the night before.. a 24 hour venture

ps. ended up passed out before gameday and wokeup at 11 in a truck down the street and missed our front row spot at GameDay
 
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