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The Big Ten Is Irrelevant - Again

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Woody1968 said:
That is why I am saying they are being treated like a headline program, but aren't. Nobody with any common sense actually think they are a top program right now.
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Again, conflating success with perception. I never said they were a top program, I said they were a "headline" program, which is the precise term we've been arguing.

Success is measured in wins. M*ch*g*n is not a successful program right now. Being a headline program is a matter of perception. Perception is measured in how many people outside your own fanbase care when you give away tickets with a bottle of Coke. It's a status that can't be built or destroyed with just a handful of seasons of good or bad football. It's about who is at the forefront of people's minds when they think of the B1G.

Go out on the street and ask people to name the football teams in the B1G. I would bet the M*ch*g*n would be one of the first two named more than half of the time and one of the first four named more than 90% of the time. It has very little to do with recent success, and when a program that is at the forefront of people's minds sucks like they do it creates a perception problem for the league itself.
 
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Ohio State showed last year that they can make the playoffs DESPITE the Big Ten. And that was after losing to the only somewhat-known football team on their non-conference schedule. I no longer care to root for conference teams to do well, because who cares? Why should we care if Michigan or Penn State is any good? Ohio State gives up 28 to a turnover machine led by Devin Gardner. They need 2 overtimes to beat a team that finished 6-6 in the regular season (Penn State). They're losing to Indiana with 20 minutes to go in the game. They beat Minnesota by only one score. Reward? Playoffs. And by winning the championship, voters will give Ohio State the benefit of the doubt in 2015, so they can do even worse than that and still make the playoffs this year.

They say that there are certain teams that "should" be good for college football, as a whole, to be good: Notre Dame, Florida State, Alabama, USC... the list goes on. Same goes for the Big Ten. Certain teams need to be "elite" for the Big Ten to be "on top": Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Nebraska. Ohio State is pulling its weight - maybe even a couple other teams' weight. But Michigan - it took a 5-7 year to fire a coach who won only 15 games the previous two years combined? Nebraska - they might have done something right by firing Pelini. If 9 wins every year is your definition of success, then maybe you should just change your name to "Iowa". Get someone in there who can bring back their glory years. And Penn State - if you lose fans to your own women's volleyball team, then you need to start doing something drastic. I don't know what they need to do, but losing to Temple - getting BLOWN OUT by Temple (that game wasn't as close as 27-10) - maybe you should stop whining about referees and start fielding a competent team.

Anyway, until the Big Ten takes football seriously, I'm not going to take the Big Ten seriously.
 
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Buckeyebred97 said:
Already hearing the 'well OSU's schedule is a cupcake...' Argument. I told the West Virginia fan 'Georgia southern, Liberty' the Baylor fan 'SMU, Lamar'...idiots I tell you
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But we do..

And the only reason I care is becasue I want to watch us play some GOOD teams other than Michigan St and Wisconsin!

Really bumed out we don't play the Badgers and Huskers every year, I feel robbed as a fan.
 
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Sgt Brutus said:
But we do..

And the only reason I care is becasue I want to watch us play some GOOD teams other than Michigan St and Wisconsin!

Really bumed out we don't play the Badgers and Huskers every year, I feel robbed as a fan.
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Except they don't. Ohio State's schedule is somewhere in the 40s....given how far out the scheduling is taking place and how most of the big boys of college football schedule, you're just not going to have a top 10 schedule every year. You can't help the subjective bullshit that gets teams like Tennecheat ranked for giving up 30 points to Bowling Green.

It's not like this is Purdue - If Ohio State takes care of its business they'll be in the playoff. Fuck strength of schedule subjective bullshit arguments.
 
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Sgt Brutus said:
But we do..

And the only reason I care is becasue I want to watch us play some GOOD teams other than Michigan St and Wisconsin!

Really bumed out we don't play the Badgers and Huskers every year, I feel robbed as a fan.
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Coming from fans of teams with some real pathetic OOC schedules. Schedule doesn't mean anything to me if OSU goes out and dominates every weekend(except against BYE week they seem to keep it close) shouldn't be a problem. End of the year will be the time to grind it out with Sparty, TTUN, and most likely a CCG and then possibly a playoff game and hopefully a NCG. Can't argue with the last 5. I wouldn't be surprised to see TTUN improve this year if they have something better than Jake INT or Shane INT at QB. But that isn't saying much.
 
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Mike80 said:
Except they don't. Ohio State's schedule is somewhere in the 40s....given how far out the scheduling is taking place and how most of the big boys of college football schedule, you're just not going to have a top 10 schedule every year. You can't help the subjective bull[Mark May] that gets teams like Tennecheat ranked for giving up 30 points to Bowling Green.

It's not like this is Purdue - If Ohio State takes care of its business they'll be in the playoff. Fuck strength of schedule subjective bull[Mark May] arguments.
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I don't mean it from a getting in perspective. From a fan's POV, I'd love to see to our talented team take on better teams than Hawaii, WM, Indiana, ect

Some is OOC scheduling, some is the conference bottom dwellers being shit, and some is unlucky conference scheduling where we don't get to see Wisconsin, Nebraska, Iowa, or even NW this year.
 
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Buckeyebred97 said:
Coming from fans of teams with some real pathetic OOC schedules. Schedule doesn't mean anything to me if OSU goes out and dominates every weekend(except against BYE week they seem to keep it close) shouldn't be a problem. End of the year will be the time to grind it out with Sparty, TTUN, and most likely a CCG and then possibly a playoff game and hopefully a NCG. Can't argue with the last 5. I wouldn't be surprised to see TTUN improve this year if they have something better than Jake INT or Shane INT at QB. But that isn't saying much.
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Let's hope it doesn't soften us for the end of the year, that'd be my only worry. But I think we'll be fine, it just sucks knowing after this VT game our next semi "big game" to look forward to isn't for a month and a half vs Penn St and that's only cause of the hatred. Our next good oppenent (Minny) isn't until 11/6! 2 months of patsys till we get to unleash the FIREPOWER upon a team worthy!
 
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