ohiobuck94
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No that is a suggestion to address my beef.Nixon said:
I hope that clears it up.
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I hope that clears it up.
Nixon
Wears Scarlet-colored glasses
My question remains: what is your beef with how Coach Tressel handles these incidents? He does not keep everything "in house". Go to the official web site and look at the press releases, you can see "Irizarry and Guilford suspended"; "Reynolds suspended"; "Irrizary suspended"; "Clarett suspended"; "Cooper suspended"; "Bellisari suspended"; etc.
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BuckeyeInTheBoro
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What effective techniques are there for reducing crimes among the general population? Tougher penalties (one stike, etc.)? Social programs to combat poverty or other social ills? IMO, these don't work in society at large so I'm not sure how we can expect a better success rate on our football team.
Tressel is doing everything right, IMO. He cannot live these young mens' lives for them.
The stupidity of these individuals never fails to amaze me, but placing the blame (even partially) on anyone other than the person committing the crime is surely a social ill that will lead to more crime. That one we can help correct.
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BuckeyeInTheBoro
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tibor75 said:
Huh?!? Is this sarcasm or did you expect Arden, Irizarry and Guilford to start?
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Maybe embarrassing players in public may help recruiting.
Obviously you never heard of "praise in public, criticize in private".
Obviously you never heard of "praise in public, criticize in private".
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WTF?!
I stop going on BN and BP and this is what happens? Can't i have a computer free weekend without coming back to work and seeing this crap?
so ashamed.
I stop going on BN and BP and this is what happens? Can't i have a computer free weekend without coming back to work and seeing this crap?
so ashamed.
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LightningRod
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A preliminary hearing for Guilford has been set for Tuesday, 5/11/04 at 9:30 AM.
Guilford Preliminary Hearing Scheduled
A preliminary hearing for Irizarry is also scheduled for 5/11/04 at 9:30 AM. Both players are being represented at this time by public defenders.
Irizary's Preliminary Hearing
Guilford Preliminary Hearing Scheduled
A preliminary hearing for Irizarry is also scheduled for 5/11/04 at 9:30 AM. Both players are being represented at this time by public defenders.
Irizary's Preliminary Hearing
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Naplesbuckeye
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I go out to Vegas for a few days, get back last night and then spend my morning catching up with this crap.
Irrizary is a punk ass bitch that should be dumped ASAP. What really gets me is what he said publically after his first offense last year. He sounded like he was really sorry and that he had come close to losing it all. He made us all feel as if he was going to change and do the correct things. Well as we know he is a fricken liar and should be sentenced as hard as anyone. We are looking at this incident as well as a parole violation so he is really going to be doing some time. Maybe he can spend it in the Marco Cooper wing of the FCCC. I could care less about whether or not he is indited. This is awful and someone who acts remorsefull and then continues this type of behavior....even putting themselves in this situation is unexplainable. I think he is gone and will end up in Y town washing cars after he serves some time in Prison.
Guilford....I can't figure out...he is a good student in HS, graduates early and enrolls at OSU. Then he chips in a plays offense because we need him. Flashback to two four weeks ago and we are hearing that he is receiving "special instruction" from an assistant Strength and Conditioning coach while he is in shorts and everyone else is in pads. Then we hear that he has violated OSU policy and that he is out for the Spring; sounds like a slippery slope to me. Couple this with the incident this weekend and we see what is happening with him as a college student.
Joe, I have little information on. He was arrested for DUI last summer and now this. He would of almost certainly been Captain this year as a senior and now that is very unlikely....I hope he will be able to stay on the team and I don't think an open container merits dismissal; but he will be punished as he is a leader and a senior.
I got in a ton of trouble while I was at OSU. I know am an example of what stupid 18-19 year old kids can do. There has always been complaints that the cops are after OSU students, busting them for underage and OC rather then serious crimes. It seems that the cops are doing their jobs in these incidents adnn that the players are not realizing the limelight that they are in much less the opportunities that they have down the road. It appears that at least two players have lost their chance at OSU....I hope that something will happen so all players realize what they have to lose. You would think this incident would be the one. I am just sick of hearing about OSU players...Sorry but I had to chip in my two cents.
Irrizary is a punk ass bitch that should be dumped ASAP. What really gets me is what he said publically after his first offense last year. He sounded like he was really sorry and that he had come close to losing it all. He made us all feel as if he was going to change and do the correct things. Well as we know he is a fricken liar and should be sentenced as hard as anyone. We are looking at this incident as well as a parole violation so he is really going to be doing some time. Maybe he can spend it in the Marco Cooper wing of the FCCC. I could care less about whether or not he is indited. This is awful and someone who acts remorsefull and then continues this type of behavior....even putting themselves in this situation is unexplainable. I think he is gone and will end up in Y town washing cars after he serves some time in Prison.
Guilford....I can't figure out...he is a good student in HS, graduates early and enrolls at OSU. Then he chips in a plays offense because we need him. Flashback to two four weeks ago and we are hearing that he is receiving "special instruction" from an assistant Strength and Conditioning coach while he is in shorts and everyone else is in pads. Then we hear that he has violated OSU policy and that he is out for the Spring; sounds like a slippery slope to me. Couple this with the incident this weekend and we see what is happening with him as a college student.
Joe, I have little information on. He was arrested for DUI last summer and now this. He would of almost certainly been Captain this year as a senior and now that is very unlikely....I hope he will be able to stay on the team and I don't think an open container merits dismissal; but he will be punished as he is a leader and a senior.
I got in a ton of trouble while I was at OSU. I know am an example of what stupid 18-19 year old kids can do. There has always been complaints that the cops are after OSU students, busting them for underage and OC rather then serious crimes. It seems that the cops are doing their jobs in these incidents adnn that the players are not realizing the limelight that they are in much less the opportunities that they have down the road. It appears that at least two players have lost their chance at OSU....I hope that something will happen so all players realize what they have to lose. You would think this incident would be the one. I am just sick of hearing about OSU players...Sorry but I had to chip in my two cents.
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3yardsandacloud
Administrator Emeritus
Winning never is trouble free in big-time college football
COMMENTARY
Winning never is trouble free in big-time college football
Monday, May 03, 2004
BOB HUNTER
It all sounds so easy.
Hire a coach who will recruit "good" kids, so there are no surprises on the police blotter. Find a man who is as concerned about academics as he is about football, so ineligibilities are nonexistent. Bring in a leader who wants to do "the right thing," who will make the alums "proud" of the program again.
Ohio State coach Jim Tressel would seem to be all of those things. He has made a point of running a clean, respectable program, has tried to recruit quality individuals and has tried to make them accountable after they arrived on campus.
So why do we still wake up to uncomfortable surprises — two Buckeyes football players arrested and charged with robbing another OSU student — like the one that greeted newspaper readers yesterday morning?
Because it’s not as easy as it sounds.
Everybody wants good kids. Every school would like a team of budding geniuses, athletes equally adept at trigonometry and blocking schemes. Nobody wants troublemakers. I’ve never heard a coach say he wanted to win by recruiting players he knew he would have to keep bailing out of jail.
Some coaches clearly try harder than others to recruit players of solid character, and Tressel appears to be making the effort. But no matter how good a coach’s intentions, no matter how much he wants to recruit athletes who won’t embarrass the university, his options often are limited.
The reason for that is simple: It takes a special player to play football at places such as Ohio State, Miami, Oklahoma and Michigan, and there aren’t that many special players out there.
A coach can dedicate himself to pursuing only recruits of the highest character, but he faces a delicate balance. While he would love to have his roster filled with players he wouldn’t hesitate to bring to the family picnic, his job security still is based on how many games he wins.
If he gambles on too many A-plus character guys who are C-minus football players, three years from now he might be out of a job.
It should be clear by now that the OSU football program will never be completely problem free, regardless of who is coaching. There are plenty of ugly stories out there. No school is immune.
In the last few months, for example, Wisconsin, West Virginia, Penn State, Arkansas, Miami (Fla.), Colorado, Florida State, Virginia Tech and Mississippi State have been in the news because of the arrests of players or recruits.
The names of the schools don’t matter much. Start keeping tabs today and you’ll find that most schools wind up on the list sooner or later.
Not surprisingly, winning makes it more acceptable. Losing makes it intolerable. I have yet to meet an Ohio State fan willing to abide a string of 6-6 seasons in order to have the school represented by a bunch of fine, scholarly, well-behaved young men.
When John Cooper was fired, my mailbox was full of notes from fans who were troubled by the news reports coming out of their alma mater. Many found the suspensions, arrests and academic problems that plagued the football program to be painful and embarrassing. It goes without saying that those fans wouldn’t have been nearly as pained and embarrassed if Cooper’s teams had won more bowl games and beaten Michigan more often, but such is the nature of the beast. In the end, Cooper’s teams were losing and showing up on police reports, a definite no-no.
OSU fans were heartened when athletics director Andy Geiger made a point of seeking a coach who would clean up the mess, and in that sense, Tressel was the perfect choice. He went out of his way to get to know the players, tried to keep closer tabs on what they were doing and made an effort to recruit individuals who would make the program’s followers proud.
The fact that there still are embarrassing incidents, and the fact that some of his recruits have followed in the footsteps of their predecessors, indicates how hard it is to run the pristine program that nearly everyone demands. It also shows that the coach who recruited all those other "troublemakers" might not have been as bad as fans thought.
Bob Hunter is a sports columnist for The Dispatch .
[email protected]
COMMENTARY
Winning never is trouble free in big-time college football
Monday, May 03, 2004
BOB HUNTER
It all sounds so easy.
Hire a coach who will recruit "good" kids, so there are no surprises on the police blotter. Find a man who is as concerned about academics as he is about football, so ineligibilities are nonexistent. Bring in a leader who wants to do "the right thing," who will make the alums "proud" of the program again.
Ohio State coach Jim Tressel would seem to be all of those things. He has made a point of running a clean, respectable program, has tried to recruit quality individuals and has tried to make them accountable after they arrived on campus.
So why do we still wake up to uncomfortable surprises — two Buckeyes football players arrested and charged with robbing another OSU student — like the one that greeted newspaper readers yesterday morning?
Because it’s not as easy as it sounds.
Everybody wants good kids. Every school would like a team of budding geniuses, athletes equally adept at trigonometry and blocking schemes. Nobody wants troublemakers. I’ve never heard a coach say he wanted to win by recruiting players he knew he would have to keep bailing out of jail.
Some coaches clearly try harder than others to recruit players of solid character, and Tressel appears to be making the effort. But no matter how good a coach’s intentions, no matter how much he wants to recruit athletes who won’t embarrass the university, his options often are limited.
The reason for that is simple: It takes a special player to play football at places such as Ohio State, Miami, Oklahoma and Michigan, and there aren’t that many special players out there.
A coach can dedicate himself to pursuing only recruits of the highest character, but he faces a delicate balance. While he would love to have his roster filled with players he wouldn’t hesitate to bring to the family picnic, his job security still is based on how many games he wins.
If he gambles on too many A-plus character guys who are C-minus football players, three years from now he might be out of a job.
It should be clear by now that the OSU football program will never be completely problem free, regardless of who is coaching. There are plenty of ugly stories out there. No school is immune.
In the last few months, for example, Wisconsin, West Virginia, Penn State, Arkansas, Miami (Fla.), Colorado, Florida State, Virginia Tech and Mississippi State have been in the news because of the arrests of players or recruits.
The names of the schools don’t matter much. Start keeping tabs today and you’ll find that most schools wind up on the list sooner or later.
Not surprisingly, winning makes it more acceptable. Losing makes it intolerable. I have yet to meet an Ohio State fan willing to abide a string of 6-6 seasons in order to have the school represented by a bunch of fine, scholarly, well-behaved young men.
When John Cooper was fired, my mailbox was full of notes from fans who were troubled by the news reports coming out of their alma mater. Many found the suspensions, arrests and academic problems that plagued the football program to be painful and embarrassing. It goes without saying that those fans wouldn’t have been nearly as pained and embarrassed if Cooper’s teams had won more bowl games and beaten Michigan more often, but such is the nature of the beast. In the end, Cooper’s teams were losing and showing up on police reports, a definite no-no.
OSU fans were heartened when athletics director Andy Geiger made a point of seeking a coach who would clean up the mess, and in that sense, Tressel was the perfect choice. He went out of his way to get to know the players, tried to keep closer tabs on what they were doing and made an effort to recruit individuals who would make the program’s followers proud.
The fact that there still are embarrassing incidents, and the fact that some of his recruits have followed in the footsteps of their predecessors, indicates how hard it is to run the pristine program that nearly everyone demands. It also shows that the coach who recruited all those other "troublemakers" might not have been as bad as fans thought.
Bob Hunter is a sports columnist for The Dispatch .
[email protected]
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