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Targeting/Pussification of football

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mendensa said:
Sorry, but that's just ignorant. You must not have any medical experience.... and that's not your fault.

.....but, that is the main reason why the NFL and NCAA are trying so hard to change these rules, educate, and why the penalty is so harsh. Don't mind the rule, just think the interpretation of the rule is all over the place.

When the crown is up, the neck is more stabilized with impact and significantly reduces the chance of neck and spinal cord injury.

Once the crown is lowered, you can't see what you are hitting for one (which is more dangerous) so you can't brace yourself for impact, you run the risk of compression fractures in the neck and spine, as well as significant damage to the base of the spinal cord, which could potentially cause paralysis.

The compression forces on the top of the head are far greater and more dangerous than the sheer forces on the neck at impact when discussing football helmet hits.

In no scenario is lowering the crown of the helmet safer than keeping it up, or less likely to cause injury.
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Maybe before you call me "ignorant," you should read through the rest of my posts on this thread. I've already addressed this.
 
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Sounds like to me you said it's easier to sustain a neck injury with your head up rather than down. Your words not mine. Don't know what else I need to read. Nothing you posted in the previous four pages of this thread has anything to do with the one ignorant statement you made that I commented about.
 
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mendensa said:
Sounds like to me you said it's easier to sustain a neck injury with your head up rather than down. Your words not mine. Don't know what else I need to read. Nothing you posted in the previous four pages of this thread has anything to do with the one ignorant statement you made that I commented about.
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I said it seems like a natural reflex for people to duck prior to contact with their head. If you read the rest of my posts, you will see that I clarified the statement.

Woody1968 said:
Maybe true, but people seem instinctively tend to duck their head prior to contact & not just in football.
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Woody1968 said:
We seem to be talking past each other - I'm not disputing your scientific data - just noting that people tend to duck prior to head to head contact, and I don't necessarily think it is an attempt by offensive players to draw a penalty, nor is it necessarily easy for defensive players to keep their head up, despite being taught to do so.
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You yourself admit this indirectly, when you note that players have to be taught to position their head properly. At any rate, I don't appreciate the word "ignorant" being thrown at me.
 
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I have 20+ years in the field dealing with these injuries so I understand completely the difference between ducking your head in preparation for taking a hit and leading with the crown of your helmet, two completely distinct actions. Also having played football, there is a technique called “bowing your neck”, taught in preparation for a taking/delivering a hit, that helps stabilize the muscles in the neck in preparation for contact, but never is it a good idea to duck.

So, even if you were talking about Lawrence ducking and receiving the blow rather than Wade delivering it, it is still unsafe for either party to drop their head in that scenario due to possible compression forces on the spine, neck, and surrounding cord possibly leading to serious injury.

In one scenario (head up) if things go wrong you have a muscle strain and a sore neck for a few days. In the other scenario (head down) if things go wrong you’re sipping out of a straw and confined to a wheelchair without the use of any part of your body from the neck down for the rest of your life. Seems pretty clear to me.

Regardless, your comment still applies that you feel more injury is likely with the head up. And to me, that is ignorant. Sorry you are so butt-hurt.
 
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mendensa said:
I have 20+ years in the field dealing with these injuries so I understand completely the difference between ducking your head in preparation for taking a hit and leading with the crown of your helmet, two completely distinct actions. Also having played football, there is a technique called “bowing your neck”, taught in preparation for a taking/delivering a hit, that helps stabilize the muscles in the neck in preparation for contact, but never is it a good idea to duck.

So, even if you were talking about Lawrence ducking and receiving the blow rather than Wade delivering it, it is still unsafe for either party to drop their head in that scenario due to possible compression forces on the spine, neck, and surrounding cord possibly leading to serious injury.

In one scenario (head up) if things go wrong you have a muscle strain and a sore neck for a few days. In the other scenario (head down) if things go wrong you’re sipping out of a straw and confined to a wheelchair without the use of any part of your body from the neck down for the rest of your life. Seems pretty clear to me.

Regardless, your comment still applies that you feel more injury is likely with the head up. And to me, that is ignorant. Sorry you are so butt-hurt.
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Whatever, Dorothy.
 
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kujirakira said:
Also, his head is up.
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*sigh*

I haven't gotten a chance to watch the video yet....but you're in Cryami territory when you take a freeze frame of a video to misconstrue what actually happened. You're lying right here. This image if after the crown of his helmet hit Lawrence. Obviously his head eventually rides up as there is something there preventing it from staying down. It's either that, or he breaks Lawrence's helmet into pieces....and then Lawrence's skull.

Come on.
 
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BuckeyeNation27 said:
*sigh*

I haven't gotten a chance to watch the video yet....but you're in Cryami territory when you take a freeze frame of a video to misconstrue what actually happened. You're lying right here. This image if after the crown of his helmet hit Lawrence. Obviously his head eventually rides up as there is something there preventing it from staying down. It's either that, or he breaks Lawrence's helmet into pieces....and then Lawrence's skull.

Come on.
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The FRONT of his helmet hit Lawrence. His forehead. The top of his head, eg the crown, never makes contact. You're acting like he speared the guy. He didn't.

Also, did you switch accounts with MaxBuck or something?
 
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