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Game Thread Sugar Bowl: tOSU vs Arkansas, Tue, Jan 4th, 8:30 ET ESPN

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SmoovP;1832380; said:
I don't think that's how Vegas works.

They aren't necessarily picking the winner, they are picking who they think will make them the most money.
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True. Vegas places lines for transactional purposes. They tend towards accuracy more than many prognosticators though.
 
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SmoovP;1832367; said:
Arkansas has every bit the history and tradition of LSU, Auburn, Georgia and Tennessee, but we don't get the credit we're due from the rest of the conference because we are the SEC 'newcomers'.
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all of them have more all time wins.
all but Auburn has more national titles.
all have multiple SEC titles since Arky joined.

all of them have finished ranked in the top 10 of the final AP poll at least 4 times since '92.
Arkansas is still waiting for their 1st such finish in that time.
 
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buckeyeintn;1832315; said:
CSS = Charter Sports Southeast. Nope, no bias there.
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NAZCARDAMUS;1832299; said:
Makes no difference to me. Anything posted to support Arkansas will be shot down with some excuse by a OSU fan. Like the stats I posted before, they were considered 'selective' even though there weren't any other stats besides special teams to post. And now CSS is bias because 'southeast' is in the name, typical.

There is only one reason some of you are getting so defensive about the ARK talk and making lame excuses to shoot down anyone that picks them.
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Well, let's see what we're debating. The views of a very small regional broadcaster located in the South and competing with the folks who partner with Big Ten Network.So...you're arguing that they are not biased?

Comcast Sports Southeast/Charter Sports Southeast (CSS) is a cable regional sports network based in Atlanta, Georgia, and serving 6 million cable subscribers across twelve U.S. states. It is a joint venture between Comcast and Charter Communications, and appears on many of the two companies' cable systems across the Southern United States. The initials stand for Comcast Sports Southeast in Comcast markets and Charter Sports Southeast in Charter markets. Despite the co-ownership, the network's logo uses the "crescent C" from the Comcast logo. CSS is only available on terrestrial cable, and is used as a selling point of terrestrial cable service over satellite services such as DirecTV and Dish Network. For the same purpose, CSS is occasionally offered to subscribers of other cable systems that may or may not compete with Comcast or Charter in their specific markets.

CSS may also refer to Comcast Sports Southwest(CSS), a new local sports channel delivering the most comprehensive local college and high school sports coverage for Houston-area athletes and sports fans.

CSS is in direct competition with Fox Sports South and SportSouth, both of which are RSNs owned by News Corp/FOX and based in Atlanta. All three networks share some programming, including college coaches' shows. CSS, by and large, has closer relationships with many of the region's individual colleges and universities, whereas Fox Sports South and SportSouth have ties to most of the South's professional sports teams and the Southeastern and Atlantic Coast conferences as wholes. CSS, on the other hand, will regularly broadcast live sporting events of some of the smaller and less heralded colleges of the region, as well as those of some of the large SEC and ACC schools (for example, college baseball coverage includes SEC, ACC, Sun Belt, C-USA, and Atlantic Sun conference games (link)
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You know, we've seen some pretty good trolls on BP over the years, even the original Tibor76. Occasionally, we find that new posters arrive who are definitely out of their league here.

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They usually find that they don't get many bites, and their stay is usually brief.
 
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Nutriaitch;1832440; said:
all of them have more all time wins.
all but Auburn has more national titles.
all have multiple SEC titles since Arky joined.
all of them have finished ranked in the top 10 of the final AP poll at least 4 times since '92.
Arkansas is still waiting for their 1st such finish in that time.
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That doesn't tell the whole story though.

If that's the criteria then Tennessee and Georgia are #2 and #3. They have more wins, more championship seasons and more bowl wins than LSU at #4.

Arkansas has 16 championship seasons to Auburn's 12, and Florida is behind them at 11. Hell, Auburn isn't even the best job in its state. They will always be the ugly stepchild in Alabama. I won't concede that Auburn is a better job.

If you begin measuring from around 1960, which is about as far back as most college football fans can go, the number of wins each of those programs have is within about a dozen or so.

Thanks to Houston Nutt and Danny Ford, Arkansas is the most recent team of that group to have spent some time wandering the wilderness.

Georgia had Ray Goff and Johnny Griffith.
Auburn had Doug Barfield - and it could be argued, Tommy Tuberville - regardless, they haven't won a NC since 1957 (Ark's came in 1964, nearly repeated in '65 and again in '69).
LSU suffered a pretty good string of mediocrity between Chollie Mac and Saban.
Tennessee looks to be at the beginning of a pretty rough time of it.

The Arkansas job has a lot going for it. Great (and improving) facilities, a fanbase that has no real competitors for its attention, plenty of cash, history, tradition and commitment.

To say that 'Arkansas is the 6th or 7th best job in the SEC' isn't something I'm going to agree with.
 
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SloopyHangOn;1832366; said:
I mean this in the nicest way possible, but LEARN HOW TO USE QUOTE TAGS and stop being so gott-dayum ignorant.
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In fairness to him, he only quoted posts that had quoted him with formatting errors. His posts didn't intitially break the formatting.
 
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SmoovP;1832462; said:
That doesn't tell the whole story though.

If that's the criteria then Tennessee and Georgia are #2 and #3. They have more wins, more championship seasons and more bowl wins than LSU at #4.

Arkansas has 16 championship seasons to Auburn's 12, and Florida is behind them at 11. Hell, Auburn isn't even the best job in its state. They will always be the ugly stepchild in Alabama. I won't concede that Auburn is a better job.

If you begin measuring from around 1960, which is about as far back as most college football fans can go, the number of wins each of those programs have is within about a dozen or so.

Thanks to Houston Nutt and Danny Ford, Arkansas is the most recent team of that group to have spent some time wandering the wilderness.

Georgia had Ray Goff and Johnny Griffith.
Auburn had Doug Barfield - and it could be argued, Tommy Tuberville - regardless, they haven't won a NC since 1957 (Ark's came in 1964, nearly repeated in '65 and again in '69).
LSU suffered a pretty good string of mediocrity between Chollie Mac and Saban.
Tennessee looks to be at the beginning of a pretty rough time of it.

The Arkansas job has a lot going for it. Great (and improving) facilities, a fanbase that has no real competitors for its attention, plenty of cash, history, tradition and commitment.

To say that 'Arkansas is the 6th or 7th best job in the SEC' isn't something I'm going to agree with.
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we can go all-time, and all of those schools rank above Arky.
we can go more recent, such as '92 when y'all joined the SEC, and all of those teams outrank Arky.

since we're talking about current prestige let's look at last 10 year.
Auburn 3 top 10 finishes
2 SEC titles
playing for NC this year

Arky
0 top 10 finishes (one pending this season)
0 SEC titles

advantage Auburn.
plus, they got a bigger stadium, and higher annual revenue that allows them to pay their players more than y'all do.


Historically, UGA has LSU beat.
over last decade or so

UGA
4 top 10 finishes
2 SEC titles
0 National Champ

LSU
5 top 10 finishes
3 SEC titles
2 National Titles.

championships is why LSU is currently ahead of UGA.
 
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SEC pissing matches seem fundamentally flawed to me, seeing as anywhere from losing 3 games to going undefeated but NOT getting to the title game counts as a recognized National Championship (just ask Auburn, they've got the rings to prove it!) because of the ungodly conference of pre-NFL pro-bowlers they play in.
 
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NAZCARDAMUS;1832325; said:
Makes no difference to me. Anything posted to support Arkansas will be shot down with some excuse by a OSU fan. Like the stats I posted before, they were considered 'selective' even though there weren't any other stats besides special teams to post. And now CSS is bias because 'southeast' is in the name, typical.

There is only one reason some of you are getting so defensive about the ARK talk and making lame excuses to shoot down anyone that picks them.
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Why are you so sensitive? Really? You came here flaming...now you have to earn respect. If that is too much for you, do us all a favor and find another board.

Your incessant whining and crying is old...especially after a fight you picked.
 
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NAZCARDAMUS;1832325; said:
Makes no difference to me. Anything posted to support Arkansas will be shot down with some excuse by a OSU fan. Like the stats I posted before, they were considered 'selective' even though there weren't any other stats besides special teams to post. And now CSS is bias because 'southeast' is in the name, typical.

There is only one reason some of you are getting so defensive about the ARK talk and making lame excuses to shoot down anyone that picks them.
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osugrad21;1832489; said:
Why are you so sensitive? Really? You came here flaming...now you have to earn respect. If that is too much for you, do us all a favor and find another board.

Your incessant whining and crying is old...especially after a fight you picked.
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Naz, they pick on me all the time too, and like you I'm just explaining what I think.
 
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