Steroid/HGH Speculation

[Steve19]

It just further confirms my feeling that MLB stopped being a game worth watching some time ago.

 

[OH10]

It just further confirms my feeling that MLB stopped being a game worth watching some time ago.

I've got that "I hate myself for loving you" feeling about baseball.

 

[NFBuck]

I've got that "I hate myself for loving you" feeling about baseball.

Same here. I love the game, I love watching it, but I feel dirty about it. It's almost like enjoying pro rasslin'...you know it's fake and there's drugs involved. I don't follow it nearly as closely as I used to outside of what's going on with the Tribe (and that's painful enough).

 

[NY Buckeye]

It just further confirms my feeling that MLB stopped being a game worth watching some time ago.

Not worth watching? Check the attendance numbers. Baseball has never been stronger or had a better product on the field.

I have never understood why baseball receives all of this scrutiny over the conduct of its players while football receives none.

Is there a team in the NFL that does not have multiple players with criminal convictions or drug suspensions? It seems like in the NFL anything goes and the media and fans don't seem to care. Shawn Merriman, Leonard Little, Ray Lewis anyone???

 

[NFBuck]

Not worth watching? Check the attendance numbers. Baseball has never been stronger or had a better product on the field.

I have never understood why baseball receives all of this scrutiny over the conduct of its players while football receives none.

Is there a team in the NFL that does not have multiple players with criminal convictions or drug suspensions? It seems like in the NFL anything goes and the media and fans don't seem to care. Shawn Merriman, Leonard Little, Ray Lewis anyone???

Football hasn't had a Jose Canseco write a tell-all book detailing abuse by it's players. Nor has it seen it's offensive numbers blow up across the board like MLB did in the late-nineties threatening many of it's most hallowed records.

If you see RB's torching defenses for 2,500 yards a season or a high-profile player come out and say he injected LaDanian Tomlinson or Adrian Peterson in the ass with steroids, it might happen.

I'm not saying it doesn't happen, it just hasn't been thrust into the public consciousness like MLB has.

 

[BUCKYLE]

Two ways to look at that (pro enhancement):
1. One of the side supposed side effects of steroid abuse is that it makes you more prone to injury.
2. His lengthy injury history may have pushed him to use them to heal...it just wasn't effective.

Either way, I feel your pain. Junior was my favorite non-Indian baseball player growing up...I had his poster on my wall as a teenager. Loved the way "the kid" played the game. But, his numbers ballooned in the late nineties when the HR's were flying out of the park with everyone else (160 HR from '97-'99) and his body started breaking down shortly after that. Major flag IMO.


Yep, very unfortunate, but very true.

I told you to lie to me!

 

[NFBuck]

I told you to lie to me!

He just ate his vitamins and said his prayers. :)

 

[BUCKYLE]

He just ate his vitamins and said his prayers. :)

That's what I thought!

 

[jwinslow]

Not worth watching? Check the attendance numbers. Baseball has never been stronger or had a better product on the field.

I have never understood why baseball receives all of this scrutiny over the conduct of its players while football receives none.

Is there a team in the NFL that does not have multiple players with criminal convictions or drug suspensions? It seems like in the NFL anything goes and the media and fans don't seem to care. Shawn Merriman, Leonard Little, Ray Lewis anyone???

People like football a lot more.

 

[NY Buckeye]

People like football a lot more.

Depends where you live.

People in NY, Boston, St. Louis among others would disagree.

 

[NY Buckeye]

Football hasn't had a Jose Canseco write a tell-all book detailing abuse by it's players. Nor has it seen it's offensive numbers blow up across the board like MLB did in the late-nineties threatening many of it's most hallowed records.

If you see RB's torching defenses for 2,500 yards a season or a high-profile player come out and say he injected LaDanian Tomlinson or Adrian Peterson in the ass with steroids, it might happen.

I'm not saying it doesn't happen, it just hasn't been thrust into the public consciousness like MLB has.

Does anyone care about about football records or even know what they are? Even among the most hardcore football fans most would not know the career records for passing, rushing, receiving etc...

Just like the football hall of fame....irrelevant.

 

[NFBuck]

Does anyone care about about football records or even know what they are? Even among the most hardcore football fans most would not know the career records for passing, rushing, receiving etc...

Just like the football hall of fame....irrelevant.

Disagree completely. Much fanfare was made for Emmitt Smith passing Payton. Same with Favre passing Marino's TD mark. Eric Dickerson's single season rushing record is still revered. Maybe not on the level of Henry Aaron (I, personally, refuse to acknowledge Bonds) or Rose's all-time hits record, but they're still well known, respected records. Baseball's foundation (Ruth, Cy Young, Gehrig, Hornsby, etc.) was layed decades before the NFL came into existence so naturally it has a leg up, but the NFL's history is rich and not to be dismissed so easily. I'd also argue that the NFL's HOF is just as big a deal as MLB's.

 

[3074326]

Not worth watching? Check the attendance numbers. Baseball has never been stronger or had a better product on the field.

I have never understood why baseball receives all of this scrutiny over the conduct of its players while football receives none.

Is there a team in the NFL that does not have multiple players with criminal convictions or drug suspensions? It seems like in the NFL anything goes and the media and fans don't seem to care. Shawn Merriman, Leonard Little, Ray Lewis anyone???

Yeah, some people don't think it's worth watching. Attendance figures say nothing about the integrity of the game, which is shot. Sports will always be popular. You say media and fans don't seem to care about football's on and off-field problems, yet you say yourself that MLB attendance figures are up. This is ironic, considering the state of baseball right now.

So whose fans don't care again? Both? Certainly not only NFL.

The NFL will receive scrutiny when/if it comes out that Peyton Manning, LaDainian Tomlinson and Randy Moss are all on roids.

Does anyone care about about football records or even know what they are? Even among the most hardcore football fans most would not know the career records for passing, rushing, receiving etc...

Just like the football hall of fame....irrelevant.

You couldn't be more wrong. Did you just assume that hardcore football fans are idiots or something? You obviously did no research before this post. You're coming off like a bitter fanboy, fyi.

 

[BUCKYLE]

Disagree completely. Much fanfare was made for Emmitt Smith passing Payton. Same with Favre passing Marino's TD mark. Eric Dickerson's single season rushing record is still revered. Maybe not on the level of Henry Aaron (I, personally, refuse to acknowledge Bonds) or Rose's all-time hits record, but they're still well known, respected records. Baseball's foundation (Ruth, Cy Young, Gehrig, Hornsby, etc.) was layed decades before the NFL came into existence so naturally it has a leg up, but the NFL's history is rich and not to be dismissed so easily. I'd also argue that the NFL's HOF is just as big a deal as MLB's.

Thank God I read your post twice. I was about to freak the fuck out. First time thru I thought you were saying you don't recognize Pete's all time hits mark either.

Although the NFL does have plenty of history...I dunno, as much as I love football, I don't put the NFL record holders on the same level as MLB's. While I think Canton is most certainly up there with Cooperstown, especially because of how selective the NFL is when it comes to the HOF...the individual record holders just aren't as important, at least to me, in football as they are baseball.

I also agree, it's Hammerin' Hanks record, and Roger Maris' too.

 

[3074326]

Thank God I read your post twice. I was about to freak the fuck out. First time thru I thought you were saying you don't recognize Pete's all time hits mark either.

Although the NFL does have plenty of history...I dunno, as much as I love football, I don't put the NFL record holders on the same level as MLB's. While I think Canton is most certainly up there with Cooperstown, especially because of how selective the NFL is when it comes to the HOF...the individual record holders just aren't as important, at least to me, in football as they are baseball.

I also agree, it's Hammerin' Hanks record, and Roger Maris' too.

They shouldn't be. This makes sense.