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Star Wars (May the Force be with you)

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bb73: "If Obi-Wan doesn't know about Leia being Luke's twin, who would?"

Right on the money, as always, bb. Also, if you notice, when Luke first lands on Dagobah, he keeps saying, "There's something familiar about this place." And says that he's seen Dagobah in a dream.

Implying that Luke had been to Dagobah as a very young child.

I think it was originally intended for Padme (who wouldn't have long to live) to live her few remaining months/years with Leia on Alderaan, while Yoda escaped with Luke to Dagobah. Yoda would then (at some point) hand the infant Luke to Obi-Wan for deliverance on Tattoine, where he could live with his Uncle & Aunt. As far as I always thought, Obi-Wan had no knowledge of Leia until that scene in Empire Strikes Back. Why else would he say, "That boy is our last hope." -???

Of course, Lucas ignored all this and wrote a completely new version that stinks.
 
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exhawg: "Didn't Luke ask Leia about her real mother once and she said that her mother died when she was very young, but she remembered that she "was very beautiful" or something?"

Yep. Huge inconsistency. We can throw that whole conversation out the door ..
 
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Sloopy45 said:
Why else would he say, "That boy is our last hope." -???
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Yes, that was the line. I couldn't remember it exactly. Of course, I haven't seen that movie since....yesterday! :!

I'm watching the set of all 6 in order. Should finish today. It's too tough to watch them all in one day now that's there's six movies. Now when there were only 5....:)
 
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Just saw it last night. I knew in advance that I wasn't going to be overwhelmed by this one because:
1) I already knew almost everything that was going to happen, and
2) What was going to happen was mostly bad.

I was hoping that my lower expectations would cause me to be pleasantly surprised (as opposed to when I expected too much from episode 1 and was unpleasantly appalled). To a certain extent, it did surprise me on the upside. The visuals were spectacular and almost overwhelming, and the music was thrilling as always. And I think Ewan did a great job once again as Obi Wan. That being said, I agree with the thought that the CGI is a distraction. It certainly does have the effect of killing a lot of the human story. Also, the inconsistencies as noted in this thread were a distraction. And of course, the dialogue was terrible, especially the part that Kinch highlighted. Ugh.

But the thing that really takes the edge off the story is the simple fact that there is no suspense. As I mentioned, we already know what's going to happen. It wasn't such a big deal in the first two because it was so early in the story and they needed to set everything up. But at this stage, being so close to the start of the intimately familiar 4-6 series, the events were predictable to a fault. Not only that, but there was so much material to cram into a short time period that there was no room for the little diversions and wisecracks that made the first three (i.e. 4-6) so much fun. It's hard to swallow the serious tone of the whole thing when you've got Yoda and R2D2 walking around.

One last inconsistency that no one else mentioned: If I'm Kenobi I'm going to kill Anakin when I see him wallowing helplessly on that lava. If for no other reason than to end your friend's life quickly so that he does not suffer a slow, painful death, he should have chopped the kid's head off right then and there. But of course, that couldn't happen. As it was, there seems to be no reason at all for Kenobi to watch his friend engulfed in the flames and then just walk away. If he didn't come there to kill Anakin, then why?

Conclusion: even though the movie is a visual feast and it neatly wraps up most of the threads and sets up the original, I still came away unsatisfied because I don't see the point of trying to sympathize with evil. I don't care why Vader became who he is. What's next, a three-part origin story for Palpatine? Why would anyone care about that? Show me how the bad guy is defeated and, if possible, is redeemed. That's the real story, and it has already been told.
 
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bb73: "I think you're being generous to Stallone's franchise there."

I liked Rocky 2, 3, & 4. You didn't?

GoBucks89: "One last inconsistency that no one else mentioned: If I'm Kenobi I'm going to kill Anakin when I see him wallowing helplessly on that lava."

I see what you're saying. The end was messed up because they should've been under the impression that Anakin is dead. It didn't make much sense. Obi-Wan could've made sure Anakin was dead & ended the Empire right then and there.

Even the events afterwards: Anakin was burned, and Yoda, Obi-Wan, & Padme go on thinking he's alive, & plot to overthrow the Empire with his kids later on. Doesn't make much sense to me. Shouldn't they think he's dead at that point?
 
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It probably would have been better if they had had Palpatine swoop in and pull Anakin to safety just as Obi-Wan was going to finish him off. That would fix many of the problems just mentioned.
 
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Sloopy45 said:
bb73: "I think you're being generous to Stallone's franchise there."

I liked Rocky 2, 3, & 4. You didn't?

GoBucks89: "One last inconsistency that no one else mentioned: If I'm Kenobi I'm going to kill Anakin when I see him wallowing helplessly on that lava."

I see what you're saying. The end was messed up because they should've been under the impression that Anakin is dead. It didn't make much sense. Obi-Wan could've made sure Anakin was dead & ended the Empire right then and there.

Even the events afterwards: Anakin was burned, and Yoda, Obi-Wan, & Padme go on thinking he's alive, & plot to overthrow the Empire with his kids later on. Doesn't make much sense to me. Shouldn't they think he's dead at that point?
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Off topic - Rocky 2, yes. 3 & 4, predictable and a little hokey.

Back on Star Wars:

I couldn't fully enjoy the simultaneous light-saber battles between Yoda-Palpatine and Obi-Wan-Vader because I knew everybody survived. I also knew that Vader would get severely damaged.

But as far as other things not making sense, maybe Obi-Wan didn't finish him off because he had been his mentor for years. Obi-wan hasn't seen the original 3 movies, and probably can't imagine how powerful and evil Vader will become. And after that, perhaps Yoda can sense that Vader was still alive by using the force.

And watching the original 3 movies again, after seeing the current set is worthwhile. For one thing, you appreciate how good they were, but some things do make more sense, despite some inconsistencies mentioned above.
 
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bb73: "Off topic - Rocky 2, yes. 3 & 4, predictable and a little hokey."

C'mon ... Rocky 3: Apollo becomes Rock's manager, Clubber Lang, Thunder Lips ... how can any movie that introduced Mr. T AND Hulk Hogan to the American public be a bad thing??

And Rocky 4 is a good one too. If for no other reason than it introduced Sly & Brigitte, which would make good tabloid fodder & SNL skits for years. Not to mention that we beat those Commie bastards in the end.

"I couldn't fully enjoy the simultaneous light-saber battles between Yoda-Palpatine and Obi-Wan-Vader because I knew everybody survived. I also knew that Vader would get severely damaged."

I can't agree here. In every single movie I've ever seen I know the good guy is gonna win at the end, no matter what. I've never seen a single contest in a movie where I don't know already the ending. Its how you get there that counts.

"But as far as other things not making sense, maybe Obi-Wan didn't finish him off because he had been his mentor for years."

I can buy this explanation. Its the actions immediately after that blur this for me.
 
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Sloopy45 said:
I can't agree here. In every single movie I've ever seen I know the good guy is gonna win at the end, no matter what. I've never seen a single contest in a movie where I don't know already the ending. Its how you get there that counts.
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If you knew how The Usual Suspects, and Fight Club were going to end consider me impressed.

I just remembered possibly the worst inconsistency. In Episode 4 (I think) Obi-Wan tell Luke that he tried to teach Anakin like Yoda had taught him, but Yoda didn't train Obi-Wan.
 
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exhawg said:
If you knew how The Usual Suspects, and Fight Club were going to end consider me impressed.

I just remembered possibly the worst inconsistency. In Episode 4 (I think) Obi-Wan tell Luke that he tried to teach Anakin like Yoda had taught him, but Yoda didn't train Obi-Wan.
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I noticed that one, also. But perhaps Yoda trained him as a youngster, before Gui-gon became Obi-wan's master. Remember the scene(s) of Yoda teaching groups of youngsters?
 
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BuckeyeBill73 said:
I noticed that one, also. But perhaps Yoda trained him as a youngster, before Gui-gon became Obi-wan's master. Remember the scene(s) of Yoda teaching groups of youngsters?
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I thought of that right after I submitted that post. Man I'm a nerd.

Edit: but if Obi-Wan had actually spent the next 16-17 years talking to the ghost of Gui-gon you would think he would get a mention in Episode 4.

Sorry just being an ass. :p
 
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