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Star Wars (May the Force be with you)

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LRABuck: "Lucas admits being bad at writing dialogue, and he hired a coach to help him with Ep III."

Lucas had the same dialogue coach in Episode II. He also had help with the screenplay in both movies. Not that it helped ...

"Favorite scene, pick one (I can't):"

My personal favorite scene is when Order 66 goes down on Kashykk & Yoda does a job on the two Storm Troopers who're going to kill him.

kinch: "As to inconsistencies: Both Obi and Vader meet the droids later and don't recognize them - their minds weren't wiped."

There's never any mention in A New Hope that Obi-Wan doesn't recognize the Droids. And Vader never comes into contact with any of the Droids in the old movies (except for the scene on Cloud City in the Carbonite Chamber where he's in the same room as a busted up C-3PO on Chewbacca's back).

"Obi even mentions that he's never seen the droids before in A New Hope"

Obi-Wan doesn't say this. He says (quote), "Don't seem to remember ever owning a Droid."

MolGenBuckeye: "One more thing I thought was done very well in this movie was the droids' comic relief."

I disagree. I thought that the stupid R2-D2 stuff in the begining (on Grievious' ship) was completely inappropriate in what should've been a tense & serious scene.

BrutusMaximus: "Saw the same prob with the new Wars movies. Lucas sits down and says.........."hmm, ok how can I spend the most money, and make this the most over-bloated, pretty piece of shit there is"."

CGI is actually much cheaper than using the puppets & sets that were used previously. I agree with you that it doesn't look as good, but its more cost-effective for the Director & Production Crew.
 
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kinch: "Well done! Thanks for clearing that up."

No sweat. You are correct in your assertion, however: there are 100 inconsistencies between these trilogies. I don't think George Lucas has ever watched the old movies.
 
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Oh I'm not too worried about inconsistencies (unless they're big), I was just trying to thing of one or two.

One thing about this thread that got me thinking - the Leia as sister thing realy is totally unnecessary in the original 3, right? Especially the "there is another," as in another hope, part? It would seem that all that was only useful as foreshadowing for her needing to step up to bat. Anyway, it all makes sense if it is considered that originally there were going to be 3 more movies where Leia (or her offspring) needs to smack some Luke butt. . .
 
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CGI is actually much cheaper than using the puppets & sets that were used previously. I agree with you that it doesn't look as good, but its more cost-effective for the Director & Production Crew.
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That is true actually, I guess I didnt really mean this to be about the money end though, I meant using all that bloated cgi, makes the movie beautiful, leaves the story very shitty......like they concentrate way too much on the look of the movie.
 
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kinch: "Oh I'm not too worried about inconsistencies (unless they're big), I was just trying to thing of one or two."

There are pretty big inconsistencies, actually. Like I said earlier, if you watch the old movies now (with a fresh mind after seeing the Prequels) you'll notice a lot of things & references that just don't fit.

"the Leia as sister thing realy is totally unnecessary in the original 3, right?"

Actually, the Leia as sister thing wasn't done with further Episodes in mind. When Lucas originally came up with the idea for Star Wars, there were 100 drafts & 100 different ideas as to what would be the movie, who would be the hero, etc. There was a father: 'Anakin Starkiller' who had twin children, a male (Luke Starkiller) & a female. One draft had Anakin Starkiller redeeming the transgressions of the son (instead of the other way around), another had the female twin being the hero & the male being the bit part (instead of the other way around), etc. There was a big evolution of the characters & ideas in the creative process, but there was always a father & twins. When Star Wars became a huge hit & Lucas could then make Empire and Jedi, he decided to put the original idea of twins into the movie.

BrutusMaximus: "I meant using all that bloated cgi, makes the movie beautiful, leaves the story very shitty......like they concentrate way too much on the look of the movie."

I agree with you 100%. CGI takes a lot of the art & humanity out of a movie. For example, look at the characters who were puppets (or actors in costume) in the previous movies: Yoda, Jabba the Hutt, etc. and compare them with their modern day CGI counterparts. The puppets blow them away by a country-mile! They look more real, they act more human (thanks to the genius of people like Frank Oz), and they're not as outlandishly cartoonish.
 
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And Vader never comes into contact with any of the Droids in the old movies (except for the scene on Cloud City in the Carbonite Chamber where he's in the same room as a busted up C-3PO on Chewbacca's back).
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Technically, he did see (and shoot) R2 at the end of A New Hope, while chasing Luke's X-Wing down the Death Start trench. But it all depends on what you call contact.

I disagree. I thought that the stupid R2-D2 stuff in the begining (on Grievious' ship) was completely inappropriate in what should've been a tense & serious scene.
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Fair enough. But at least C-3P0 wasn't standing around saying, "That was a slick move."
 
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LRABuck said:
Hayden Christensen floored me in this one, or maybe it was just his eyes. Wow. Flip a switch, and they become evil and full of hate. How much of that was makeup? I was shocked that this was the same kid from Ep 2 who seemed destined for a career in teen films (IMHO of course.) His performance at the "endgame" was huge. Obsessed fans already knew what would happen, and had only to see HOW Lucas would have it go about. That movie could have gotten its PG-13 rating for that scene alone (i'm sure the little bit with the younglings helped as well, though there should be no apologies; Vader is a monster!)

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That was definitely makeup, w/ his eyes, I noticed that as well. I think he was wearing some kind of contacts.
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exhawg: "Did anyone else watch the Clone Wars cartoons?"

I saw them. I thought they were much better than the movies!

The new 'Star Wars TV Series' that Lucas is planning looks to be a bomb in the making, however.
 
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I don't spend a lot of time worrying about the inconsistencies, but here's another one that I thought was significant:

In "The Empire Strikes back", right as Luke is leaving Yoda without completing his training, the spirit of Obi-wan says to Yoda, "He's the last chance we have" (or something close to that). Then Yoda says "No, there is another".

If Obi-Wan doesn't know about Leia being Luke's twin, who would?
 
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BuckeyeBill73 said:
Then Yoda says "No, there is another".

If Obi-Wan doesn't know about Leia being Luke's twin, who would?
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I don't think that's an inconsistency. I think it's Obi-Wan either doesn't really know where Leia is, or he doesn't think she has any real chance at becoming a Jedi (she's too old to begin training, or she's not open enough for the force, or something along those lines). At least, maybe that's how it can be considered to make it consistant.
 
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